Dimtri,Jedah VS Lord KAIN!!

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Okay, I made a mistake, and? You claimed Makai was a planet and you were wrong as well. . .that would mean you failed as well? Furthermore, I'm not even wrong, Inkai just exsist beneath makai, that's all. There are pocket dimensions beneath the earth as well in DarkStalkers.

basically put, its not makai

Makai seems to just be land, and an ocean surrounding it, you seem to think its something more yet proof does not show it....also where did this argument come from

Jedah destroys dimensions wasnt it, so as we see here, if he really does destroy makai (even though all we see is a few buildings blown up, so its nothing much) then all hes destroying is a landmass in the middle of ocean.....not much of a feet at all....and yes i know, its a 100 times bigger than earths conitnents together, that doesnt mean much since he doesnt actually blow it up, all weve seen him do is destroy the buildings in the image

Originally posted by Burning thought
basically put, its not makai

That's debatable.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Makai seems to just be land, and an ocean surrounding it, you seem to think its something more yet proof does not show it....also where did this argument come from

Originally posted by Burning thought

Jedah destroys dimensions wasnt it, so as we see here, if he really does destroy makai (even though all we see is a few buildings blown up, so its nothing much)

He destroys the entire dimension, based on what he said the image is irrelevant. We know he succeeded because he was able to proceed with his plan.

Originally posted by Burning thought

then all hes destroying is a landmass in the middle of ocean.....not much of a feet at all....and yes i know, its a 100 times bigger than earths conitnents together, that doesnt mean much since he doesnt actually blow it up, all weve seen him do is destroy the buildings in the image

Except that the Landmass is Matairiku, a part of Makai. Jedah states that he destroys a world, not a land mass.

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
That's debatable.

The proof has been posted already, we don't know how Big Makai is. Any arguments of about it's size is simply conjecture.

He destroys the entire dimension, based on what he said the image is irrelevant. We know he succeeded because he was able to proceed with his plan.

Except that the Landmass is Matairiku, a part of Makai. Jedah states that he destroys a world, not a land mass.

we dont know how big the whole thing is, we know how big the landmass is, the water is irrelevent.

He apparently destroys the entire dimension, which consists of a the single body of land and water....thats not but of a feat, nor is destroying this "dimension" as you like to call it.

also quote where it states he actually destroyed the entire dimension, not just the landmass and ocean...also were going by word of mouth here..destroyed can also mean what we see in the images, blow up buildings, where does it say he completly destroys everything

Originally posted by Burning thought
we dont know how big the whole thing is, we know how big the landmass is, the water is irrelevent.

There is no water, it's an sea of Fire & Ice. . . pay attention. How can the sea be irrelevant to determining the size of a Dimension? Wasn't that the whole point of this debate?

Originally posted by Burning thought

He [B]apparently destroys the entire dimension, which consists of a the single body of land and water....thats not but of a feat, nor is destroying this "dimension" as you like to call it. [/B]

There is no water, man.

Once again, we do not know what the total size of the Dimension is. We simply can assume that the population may not spread out more than the land mass and/or sea's.

The population size and the size of the dimension are two mutually exclusive topics. Your making an "Association Fallacy" if you are trying to link the two.

Originally posted by Burning thought

also quote where it states he actually destroyed the entire dimension, not just the landmass and ocean...

also were going by word of mouth here..destroyed can also mean what we see in the images, blow up buildings, where does it say he completly destroys everything

Why don't you just read the ending instead of asking me to quote everything?

Second time I posted the ending:

YouTube video

"I'll have to destroy the other world. . ."

Common sense would tell you that if he's proceeding to destroy the Human world, then something must have happened to the world he wished to original "Recreate" [Makai].

It couldn't be more obvious, man. What does he destroy at begining, I'll give you a hint: Jedah mentions the story of it's creation.

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
There is no water, it's an sea of Fire & Ice. . . pay attention. How can the sea be irrelevant to determining the size of a Dimension? Wasn't that the whole point of this debate?

There is no water, man.

Once again, we do not know what the total size of the Dimension is. We simply can assume that the population may not spread out more than the land mass and/or sea's.

The population size and the size of the dimension are two mutually exclusive topics. Your making an "Association Fallacy" if you are trying to link the two.

Why don't you just read the ending instead of asking me to quote everything?

Second time I posted the ending:

YouTube video

"I'll have to destroy the other world. . ."

Common sense would tell you that if he's proceeding to destroy the Human world, then something must have happened to the world he wishes to "Recreate" [Makai].

no because you cannot determine the size of the dimension...the sea has not got a size slapped on it, so theres no way we can know, it could be small, large whatever.

i cant watch the ending, my connecton speed has been cut atm so i cant even download that little vid. And your automatically assuming hes going to destroy Earth just because he says he needs to....at the same time your assuming Destroy means absolutley eliminate everything including the dimension....when the only image we have is of the buildings being destroyed, the image+the fact he doesnt even say hes completly wiped it clean shows that you have no right to assume he has wiped the whole dimension, destroy could also mean he blew up everyone on the landmass or destroyed the lives of them all....

More proof from Jedah, before the destruction starts he says.:

". . .It is said, that all life began with one life form. To correct the errors of this world I shall go back. . ."

What world could he possibly be talking about, and if he proceeds what does that mean? It's obviously Makai, and it obviously means he destroyed the world. Matairiku is not a world, just a part of the world known as Makai.

Originally posted by Burning thought
no because you cannot determine the size of the dimension...the sea has not got a size slapped on it, so theres no way we can know, it could be small, large whatever.

Exactly, it could be any size. . .because the size of Makai is unknown.

Originally posted by Burning thought

i cant watch the ending, my connecton speed has been cut atm so i cant even download that little vid.

Okay, My bad.

Originally posted by Burning thought

And your automatically assuming hes going to destroy Earth just because he says he needs to....at the same time your assuming Destroy means absolutley eliminate everything including the dimension....when the only image we have is of the buildings being destroyed, the image+the fact he doesnt even say hes completly wiped it clean shows that you have no right to assume he has wiped the whole dimension,

Because he referred to the entire world. He did not say building or Land mass or anything other than building. The pictures are irrelevant to this point.

Originally posted by Burning thought

destroy could also mean he blew up everyone on the landmass or destroyed the lives of them all....

Except that he specified world.

Originally posted by Fire Ninja

Because he referred to the entire world. He did not say building or Land mass or anything other than building. The pictures are irrelevant to this point.

Except that he specified world.

no he didnt say it yet thats what the picture shows, and the pictures are irrelevent now? but when you want them to be their relevent? the pictures are relevent as much as the text.....and we see buildings being burt up

world and destroy can still mean many diffrent things which you seem to not grasp, world even thought the definatio is not such can be refered to just his planet, the mainland he could be easily referring to since destroying the sea is irrelevent anyway, if we can clearly see in the pictures buildings being burnt up, then obviously he isnt destroying the dimension fully, just the landmass, moaning at things about your own evidence just because you dont like it is not going to help you. Destroy as i said before can mean many things as well, your simply grabbing at the extremes to try and overrate Jedah even though your assuming

Originally posted by Burning thought
no he didnt say it yet thats what the picture shows,

I thought you could not watch the videos and he mentions worlds at the beginning and at the end.

Originally posted by Burning thought

and the pictures are irrelevent now? but when you want them to be their relevent? the pictures are relevent as much as the text.....and we see buildings being burt up

I said they are irrelevant to what's being said. The words says he wants to destroy the world, we see something being destroyed. After that he says he's moving on to destroy another world.

Originally posted by Burning thought

world and destroy can still mean many diffrent things which you seem to not grasp,

Enlighten me, what can they mean?

Originally posted by Burning thought

world even thought the definatio is not such can be refered to just his planet,

Post the definitions, burden of proof is on you.

Originally posted by Burning thought

the mainland he could be easily referring to since destroying the sea is irrelevent

Even though he specifically said world, aren't sea's part of worlds as well?

Originally posted by Burning thought

anyway, if we can clearly see in the pictures buildings being burnt up, then obviously he isnt destroying the dimension fully, just the landmass,

That's your conjecture versus what is stated. He said world, I see no reason why to not take his word versus yours. Landmass=/=World.

Originally posted by Burning thought

moaning at things about your own evidence just because you dont like it is not going to help you.

Even though I'm posting proof and your not?

Originally posted by Burning thought

Destroy as i said before can mean many things as well, your simply grabbing at the extremes to try and overrate Jedah even though your assuming

Enlighten me, what other definitions does destroy have?

de·stroy /dɪˈstrɔɪ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-stroi] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object)
1. to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains, as by rending, burning, or dissolving; injure beyond repair or renewal; demolish; ruin; annihilate.
2. to put an end to; extinguish.
3. to kill; slay.
4. to render ineffective or useless; nullify; neutralize; invalidate.
5. to defeat completely.
–verb (used without object)
6. to engage in destruction.

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
de·stroy /dɪˈstrɔɪ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-stroi] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object)
1. to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains, as by rending, burning, or dissolving; injure beyond repair or renewal; demolish; ruin; annihilate.
2. to put an end to; extinguish.
3. to kill; slay.
4. to render ineffective or useless; nullify; neutralize; invalidate.
5. to defeat completely.
–verb (used without object)
6. to engage in destruction.

exactley, fragments, burning we can see, so thats proven, he burned those buildings and destroyed them

Originally posted by Burning thought
exactley, fragments, burning we can see, so thats proven, he burned those buildings and destroyed them

That was an example used in a sentence, not the definition 😆

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
That was an example used in a sentence, not the definition 😆

the definition was reduce an object or burning or dissolving ,we can actually see burning

heres more defintions

do away with, cause the destruction or undoing of; "The fire destroyed the house"
destroy completely; damage irreparably; "You have ruined my car by pouring sugar in the tank!"; "The tears ruined her make-up"
demolish: defeat soundly; "The home team demolished the visitors"
put to death; "The customs agents destroyed the dog that was found to be rabid"

the first one works very well with Jedah

Originally posted by Burning thought
the definition was reduce an object or burning or dissolving ,we can actually see burning

heres more defintions

do away with, cause the destruction or undoing of; "The fire destroyed the house"
destroy completely; damage irreparably; "You have ruined my car by pouring sugar in the tank!"; "The tears ruined her make-up"
demolish: defeat soundly; "The home team demolished the visitors"
put to death; "The customs agents destroyed the dog that was found to be rabid"

the first one works very well with Jedah

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Yes, if you ignore all the others.

ah well thats the thing, now its you whos "choosing" is it? what one, this is just as ambiguoius as how big Makai actually is, same as how he actualyl destroyed it, most of the definations are to do with what we can actualyl see in the video, what Jedah says is no consequence because first we lack hearing his voice, how credible he is as well, and also we dont actually see anything to explain him destroying on the level your bringing up the Makais dimension, all we see is buildings blowing up. So his own definition could easily be any of those, yet more ambiguious stuff to bring up for proof for jedahs so called feats...all prove wrong

all weve come to after this debate is that you prefer not to call Makai a planet, just because its never said to be such or to be spheratrical...

Originally posted by Burning thought
ah well thats the thing, now its you whos "choosing" is it? what one, this is just as ambiguoius as how big Makai actually is,

Strawman

I did not choose anything, I'm just pointing out that you are choosing.

Originally posted by Burning thought

same as how he actualyl destroyed it, most of the definations are to do with what we can actualyl see in the video,

Ignoring of course the time frame which said destruction happened. Was burning buildings the end result of the destruction or was it did simply correlate with the destruction? Only Bt magically knows.

Originally posted by Burning thought

what Jedah says is no consequence because first we lack hearing his voice,

Worst thing ever stated, especially considering that you claimed you did not see the video.

Originally posted by Burning thought

how credible he is as well, and also we dont actually see anything to explain him destroying on the level your bringing up the Makais dimension, all we see is buildings blowing up. So his own definition could easily be any of those, yet more ambiguious stuff to bring up for proof for jedahs so called feats...all prove wrong

Because your cherry picking one point [The buildings], while ignoring the dialouge from a video you allegedly cannot watch. Simply on the notion that Jedahs does not have any audio based dialouge.

Originally posted by Burning thought

all weve come to after this debate is that you prefer not to call Makai a planet, just because its never said to be such or to be spheratrical...

Or has any stars or is stated to be a planet, et cetera.

I've come to the conclusion that your lying. How could you explain the details of a video you cannot watch, Bt?

Originally posted by Classic NES
Strawman

I did not choose anything, I'm just pointing out that you are choosing.

Ignoring of course the time frame which said destruction happened. Was burning buildings the end result of the destruction or was it did simply correlate with the destruction? Only Bt magically knows.

Worst thing ever stated, especially considering that you claimed you did not see the video.

Because your cherry picking one point [The buildings], while ignoring the dialouge from a video you allegedly cannot watch. Simply on the notion that Jadahs does not have any audio based dialouge.

Or has any stars or is stated to be a planet, et cetera.

I've come to the conclusion that your lying. How could you explain the details of a video you cannot watch, Bt?

ime sorry if i made you think ive never seen the video, ive seen the video several times before and just this morning ,but ime not sure if this ever happens to anyone esle but my provider cuts my connecton speed if i download too many things and slows down the bandwith.

now onto your points

1. i wasnt Strawmanning anything, i was also pointing out that neither of us may "choose" and i doubt we could decide and agree on what he means so its pointless to argue that

2. well no nobody knows the time fram or how long it took, what we do know is that we see burning buildings "fact", thats the only fact of the actualy destruction, the rest is his words, since this is a fact, we can only see his burning buildings, what we know as a fact is that his power of planatery destruction does not equel Pyrons, Pyrons world destruction>jedahs V2D would like that statement and it seems true from what weve discussing.

3. ive seen the video, i just cant watch it now, and no its not a bad statement, the way a being speaks is important in how we interpret what they say, if he was extremely arrogent and excited at the time, then he could easily be overrating what hes doing or exaggerating

4. ime not ignoring the dialogue, ime picking on the dialogue because you cannot just take definitions of words as you like them, as weve shown theres many definitions of destroy, that fact plus the fact all we actually see is buildings burning, we cannot assume he annihilated everything.

Originally posted by Burning thought
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1. i wasnt Strawmanning anything, i was also pointing out that neither of us may "choose" and i doubt we could decide and agree on what he means so its pointless to argue that

If thats the case, why did you even choose in first place? If your gonna scold me for picking a definition, why would you choose one yourself?

Originally posted by Burning thought

the first one works very well with Jedah

That doesn't make any sense at all and which definition did I choose?

Originally posted by Burning thought

2. well no nobody knows the time fram or how long it took, what we do know is that we see burning buildings "fact", thats the only fact of the actualy destruction, the rest is his words, since this is a fact, we can only see his burning buildings, what we know as a fact is that his power of planatery destruction does not equel Pyrons, Pyrons world destruction>jedahs V2D would like that statement and it seems true from what weve discussing.

Words are facts to though, aren't we using words when we quote the FAQ?

Originally posted by Burning thought

3. ive seen the video, i just cant watch it now, and no its not a bad statement, the way a being speaks is important in how we interpret what they say, if he was extremely arrogent and excited at the time, then he could easily be overrating what hes doing or exaggerating

It makes no sense, how can the lack of sound invalidate a statement? Are books invalidated because they have no sound, that's some crazy logic.

I'm sure that he's excited, but that does not mean he's lying. That's a logic fallacy, his character does invalidate his argument. . . Not everyone who is excited is a liar or exaggerating.

Originally posted by Burning thought

4. ime not ignoring the dialogue, ime picking on the dialogue because you cannot just take definitions of words as you like them, as weve shown theres many definitions of destroy, that fact plus the fact all we actually [B]see is buildings burning, we cannot assume he annihilated everything. [/B]

You are ignoring it, though. First you claim the lack of sound is a detractor then you claim Jedah's exaggerating? But, ignore the fact that the image could be the initial destruction and not the sum of a small piece. That's logic fallacy, his character does invalidate his argument.

Originally posted by Classic NES
If thats the case, why did you even choose in first place? If your gonna scold me for picking a definition, why would you choose one yourself?

That doesn't make any sense at all and which definition did I choose?

Words are facts to though, aren't we using words when we quote the FAQ?

It makes no sense, how can the lack of sound invalidate a statement? Are books invalidated because they have no sound, that's some crazy logic.

I'm sure that he's excited, but that does not mean he's lying. That's false dichotomy's right there. Not everyone who is excited is a liar or exaggerating.

You are ignoring it, though. First you claim the lack of sound is a detractor then you claim Jedah's exaggerating? But, ignore the fact that the image could be the initial destruction and not the sum of a small piece. That's logic fallacy, his character does invalidate his argument.

1. i was making a point that i could choose one favourable for my position and you could choose one for yours, you seem to be choosing the annilhation definition, either could be true but i was making the point that we cannot tell so its a pointless thing to debate

2. words "can" be facts, but when a character who we dont know the tone of, and who as you agree is certainly excited can exagerrate wheras the words in a document according to you are from the japanese guide itself made my developers who are the writers, regardless, the FAQ shows storyline elements, not what a character says.

3. its not crazy logic, sound is important, books describe sounds, and books (a good one) usually describes most aspects of a character, the way they move, the mood of the character, if Jedah through the text was identified as not being able to exagerrate or anything else of that kind then it may be more valid but not against the picture.

no not everyone is...so....its more probability that someone who is excited is going to exagerrate, like the famous "i am the king of world" statement, usually said when someone is excited or extremely pleased but it does not mean they have become the king of the world.

4. all these things you mentioned are unkowns, things people can only assume at...thats not how you can debate characters, you have to show the facts, the facts i will give you is whats in the storyline and thats buildings being destroyed in the image and him feeding the baby with souls.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. i was making a point that i could choose one favourable for my position and you could choose one for yours, you seem to be choosing the annilhation definition, either could be true but i was making the point that we cannot tell so its a pointless thing to debate

There is no other definition though, since: Destruction, Destroy, Annihilate, and so on are all synonyms.

Originally posted by Burning thought

2. words "can" be facts, but when a character who we dont know the tone of, and who as you agree is certainly excited [B]can exagerrate wheras the words in a document according to you are from the japanese guide itself made my developers who are the writers, regardless, the FAQ shows storyline elements, not what a character says. [/B]

Since when was character dialouge not considered a story element, man? Do characters writer their own scripts or do the writers create it for them, just like the general plot? Once again, just because he is excited does not mean he is exaggerating. Never mind, that his mood is conjecture with very little to no evidence.

Originally posted by Burning thought

3. its not crazy logic, sound is important, books describe sounds,

But, lack of sounds does not invalidate a point like you've been harping about.

Originally posted by Burning thought

and books (a good one) usually describes most aspects of a character, the way they move, the mood of the character, if Jedah through the text was identified as not being able to exagerrate or anything else of that kind then it may be more valid but not against the picture.

This isn't a book though, and since we do not know the mood of Jedah we cannot say for certain.

Originally posted by Burning thought

no not everyone is...so....its more probability that someone who is excited is going to exagerrate, like the famous "i am the king of world" statement, usually said when someone is excited or extremely pleased but it does not mean they have become the king of the world.

This is contradictory, if we cannot hear his tone. How can we tell he's excited? We have no evidence that he's excited at all.

Originally posted by Burning thought

4. all these things you mentioned are unkowns, things people can only assume at...thats not how you can debate characters, you have to show the facts, the facts i will give you is whats in the storyline and thats buildings being destroyed in the image and him feeding the baby with souls.

Except that it's not unknown, only the specifics and since they are not detractors to the argument I see no point in bringing them up.

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