Originally posted by Your G.O.D
Jedah destroys Kain, yo.Jedah teleports and Demitri.
They do not use time to travel.
INSTANTLY=NO TIME
If time was slowed down to it's slowest point, instant is still instant.
Jedah takes his soul and makes a Majigen out of it or Jedah or Demetri steal every last bit of energy/soul out of this guy. AND Kain can't slow time down THAT MUCH. He can make time move slow but not to the point where you might as well not be movin. Kain stands no chance.
the only thing is that you are basically not moving, when kain powers up his time powers your moving extremely slowly and Kain moves at double speed.
Teleportation is not instant, even if it takes a split second, Teleportation also takes the time the minds of these characters to react to want to teleport, Kain can also Teleport....Kain can also take souls, Kain can put up the Aegis shield which reflects spells and physical damage back onto the enemy leaving kain unharmed, so lets see, theres a female Demitri from Midnight bliss, Pyron ends up absorbing himself and disipating or smashes himself at lightspeed feeling the force and goes flying across the Kosmos and Jedah loses his own soul to his own attack..good one..
so your instantly is a load of bull tbh, time will be slowing down just as they come out of teleport, then their owned...Jedah, pyron, Demitri would all be lagging slowly while kain is moving at twice speed to do all his powers, he could easily then choose from a massive list of attacks to defeat them with, all of them soul drained, Or demitri/Jedah MC to take out Pyron and eachother.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Kain has never slown down time, that's just speculation that of course has no proof.
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php
read through this spell list, your kain knowledge has much to be desired, he can freeze with this spell someone completly in time...also does Demitri have a brain? good.....because hell stun his brain making him a drooler...obviously Pyron and Jedah would certainly be immune to this i think
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/reaverkain.php
time reaver, slows enemies down, and even then kain can strike them making them even slower as it says, striking enemies slows them as well
none of his opponents will move much of a muscle at all
I can't look at the links right now, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say he can slow down time. But when I played the game, he can't slow down time the much, it's more like a Matrix/Max Payne type of thing, not to mention he can't do it when ever he wants.
He really doesn't slow time, he just freezes you or moves far faster than his opponents.
Originally posted by Your G.O.D
I can't look at the links right now, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say he can slow down time. But when I played the game, he can't slow down time the much, it's more like a Matrix/Max Payne type of thing, not to mention he can't do it when ever he wants.
He really doesn't slow time, he just freezes you or moves far faster than his opponents.
incapacitate move, freeze you solid, slow time is exactley what it says on the box, and on the reaver, its not a "super fast" or "bullet time" reaver either is it. He slows time to a level where he is always much faster than the opponent, if you have played the game, you realise that it does not matter who you face, wether its fast Raziel or a slow demon, they are slowed exactley the same pace so kain can do what he likes in those time periods, Raziel is incredibly quick but he moves at the equel speed of a demon slowed in time when Kain activates the power.
Originally posted by Burning thought
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.phpread through this spell list, your kain knowledge has much to be desired, he can freeze with this spell someone [B]completly
in time...also does Demitri have a brain? good.....because hell stun his brain making him a drooler...obviously Pyron and Jedah would certainly be immune to this i think [/B]
Except, that it isn't a time displacement attack. He simply freezes one opponent, with a projectile I might add. What's stopping them from, I dunno. . .dodging the projectile?
The whole mention of time is poetic license.
Originally posted by Burning thought
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/reaverkain.phptime reaver, slows enemies down, and even then kain can strike them making them even slower as it says, striking enemies slows them as well
none of his opponents will move much of a muscle at all
*Ahem*
Originally posted by The web site
Struck enemies' movements are slowed
So much for that, especially considering that all the reavers spells can easily be avoided via teleportation. Team trounces him easily.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Except, that it isn't a time displacement attack. He simply freezes one opponent, with a projectile I might add. What's stopping them from, I dunno. . .[B]dodging the projectile?The whole mention of time is poetic license.
So much for that, especially considering that all the reavers spells can easily be avoided via teleportation. [/B]
L2 read
"Through this magic, I can stop my enemies in their tracks. Frozen in time, they can do nothing to hinder their own doom. Sometimes, I draw out their fate, for the added fear sweetens their blood."
poetic license is your little cop out you try to use isnt it, lmao...sry..but no... and furthermore, whats going to stop them from dodging? being slowed by the second time spell perhaps? being so slow they are helpless, also this projectile is homeing, so much for dodge huh? dodging all the time is hardly going to allow any of them to defeat kain as he just creates more projectiles......
and the second part, l2 read, or play the game actually, watch a video, when he activates the time spell not the normal slash which i have already mentioned, all the enemies in the area are slowed in a time bubble, basically everything on the screen....
team gets trounced easily
Originally posted by Burning thought
poetic license is your little cop out you try to use isnt it,lmao...sry ..but no...
It doesn't mention anything about time altering or time displacement. Kain simply says one line : "Frozen in Time". That's it, no description about Time freezing or altering abilities.
Originally posted by Burning thought
and furthermore, whats going to stop them from dodging? being slowed by the second time spell perhaps?and the second part, l2 read, or play the game actually, watch a video, when he activ[ates the time [B]spell
not the normal slash which i have already mentioned, all the enemies in the area are slowed in a time bubble, basically everything on the screen....
[/B]
Except that the reaver spells can only be done at full power. Unless kains been storing energy for the reaver, where would he build up that energy from? Furthermore, he only has one chance to hit them with a spell that covers small area. Once he misses [which more than likely will happen], they beat his ass and call it a day. 😆
Seriously, reaver spells have the slowest execution time I've ever seen. Even Stevie Wonder with a blind fold and his back turned could see it coming. And, Three powerful cosmic level beings [ two of which have cosmic awareness of sorts] cannot?
Originally posted by Burning thought
being so slow they are helpless, also this projectile is homeing, so much for dodge huh? dodging all the time is hardly going to allow any of them to defeat kain as he just creates more projectiles......
Except that there is three of them and they all can teleport. Even if one is hit, the other two can easily finish Kain off will the other one plays tag with kains spell. This is a curbstomp and thensome, BT.
Originally posted by Classic NES
It doesn't mention anything about time altering or time displacement. Kain simply says one line : "Frozen in Time". That's it, no description about Time freezing or altering abilities.Except that the reaver spells can only be done at full power. Unless kains been storing energy for the reaver, where would he build up that energy from? Furthermore, he only has one chance to hit them with a spell that covers small area. Once he misses [which more than likely will happen], they beat his ass and call it a day. 😆
Seriously, reaver spells have the slowest execution time I've ever seen. Even Stevie Wonder with a blind fold and his back turned could see it coming. And, Three powerful cosmic level beings [ two of which have cosmic awareness of sorts] cannot?
Except that there is three of them and they all can teleport. Even if one is hit, the other two can easily finish Kain off will the other one plays tag with kains spell. This is a curbstomp and thensome, BT.
1. phail, sorry but he says frozen in time......which means...frozen in time, which one of them will end up like
and no Jedah is the only one who can take souls from range..thats it, Demitri afaik unless you can pull some randomness from somewhere cannot attack souls from a distance and Pyron cannot hit souls at all, with jedah being chased by the time bolt, possibly a few of them, Kain can easily defeat the reaming two who will never touch kain, especially Demitri with his soul attack
they cover the screen, its likely the area it covers is actually beyond this, since this is gameplay, all thats known as a fact is kain can use time powers, the limit of wich can be potentially balacne gameplay mechanics, even if these mechanics are part of this fight, the area is not as "tiny" as you think, its basically the screen, and the charge up time is instant thought in canon, the reaver does not charge before attacking as shown is so many videos. Kain can teleport, he could be next to pyron or Demitri and before they know it their owned by time powers, he could go invisible and simply sneak up, use mind powers or inspire hate to just get them to fight eachother and lazily sits by laughing at their battle. He only has to strike one of them, and all 3 are dead.
the reaver needs now only souls, the blood reaver needs charging, the soul reaver itself feeds off souls which basically anywhere except space perhaps where living creatures have never been would have souls, also furthermore, the reaver can last a good few hundred years on raziels energy alone before he gets hungry, goodluck team, it wont do em good but i may as well say it
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. phail, sorry but he says frozen in time......which means...frozen in time, which one of them will end up like
In one line, as poetic license. 🙂
The description mentions nothing about time or Time altering.
Originally posted by Burning thought
and no Jedah is the only one who can take souls from range.
Did I say otherwise?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Demitri afaik unless you can pull some randomness from somewhere cannot attack souls from a distance and Pyron cannot hit souls at all, with jedah being chased by the time bolt, possibly a few of them, Kain can easily defeat the reaming two who will never touch kain, especially Demitri with his soul attack
Except that they do not have to attack his soul. Pyron could just grow to the size of a planet and crush Kain with gravitational pressure alone. Demitri instantaneously teleports to his face and "Midnight Blisses" Kain which is also instantaneous. Jedah just sucks his soul or BFR him to another his dimension. Soul sucking isn't necessary for the likes of Kain, neither is all three of them fighting as a team.
Originally posted by Burning thought
they cover the screen, its likely the area it covers is actually beyond this, since this is gameplay,
I don't want your conjecture, prove it. Show me kain freezing an entire area with a reaver spell.
Originally posted by Burning thought
all thats known as a fact is kain can use time powers, the limit of wich can be potentially balacne gameplay mechanics, even if these mechanics are part of this fight, the area is not as "tiny" as you think, its basically the screen,
Theory Theory Theory
No proof.
Originally posted by Burning thought
and the charge up time is instant thought in canon, the reaver does not charge before attacking as shown is so many videos.
Prove it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain can teleport, he could be next to pyron or Demitri and before they know it their owned by time powers,
Besides his dimensional teleport which takes a charge reaver. Kains only "Teleport" is to turn into bats, what's stopping them form killing all those bats?
Originally posted by Burning thought
he could go invisible and simply sneak up,
He can only do that when there's mist, and Demitri can make the whole team invisible like he does with his castle.
Originally posted by Burning thought
use mind powers or inspire hate to just get them to fight eachother and lazily sits by laughing at their battle.
Except that all Makai emit psychic powers as well and it only works on the weak minded. Furthermore, he can only do it too one person, and he needs to focus. They could kill him in one second flat.
Originally posted by Burning thought
the reaver needs now only souls, the blood reaver needs charging, the soul reaver itself feeds off souls which basically anywhere except space perhaps where living creatures have never been would have souls, also furthermore, the reaver can last a good few hundred years on raziels energy alone before he gets hungry, goodluck team, it wont do em good but i may as well say it
All the reavers need to charge to do their special attacks, regardless of what substance they need.
Originally posted by Classic NES
In one line, as poetic license. 🙂The description mentions nothing about time or Time altering.
Did I say otherwise?
Except that they do not have to attack his soul. Pyron could just grow to the size of a planet and crush Kain with gravitational pressure alone. Demitri instantaneously teleports to his face and "Midnight Blisses" Kain which is also instantaneous. Jedah just sucks his soul or BFR him to another his dimension. Soul sucking isn't necessary for the likes of Kain, neither is all three of them fighting as a team.
I don't want your conjecture, prove it. Show me kain freezing an entire area with a reaver spell.
Theory Theory Theory
No proof.
Prove it.
Besides his dimensional teleport which takes a charge reaver. Kains only "Teleport" is to turn into bats, what's stopping them form killing all those bats?
He can only do that when there's mist, and Demitri can make the whole team invisible like he does with his castle.
Except that all Makai emit psychic powers as well and it only works on the weak minded. Furthermore, he can only do it too one person, and he needs to focus. They could kill him in one second flat.
All the reavers need to charge to do their special attacks, regardless of what substance they need.
1. what kain says>the description which is gameplay, kain says Time....discussion on this is over, unless well just rate this as an aspectless attack, undefenadable frozen solid as soon as it strikes.
2. pyron would be dead first, if Kain rips out his soul, or inspires hate Demitri who then does the old consume trick. Also they cannot kill Kain....sorry..they cannot. No the combo your thnking of is slow, why? becayse your saying Demetri thinks-->teleports-->gestures-->which casts midnight bliss.....Kain just thinks--->time reaver....anyone who goes in his space is doomed...or kain thinks--->repel shield-->midnight bliss--->female Demitri
3. Jedah wont BFR anyone while stuck in TK shackles, unable to do anthing, Kain while in teleport, Dimenstional movement will be immune since for that moment Jedah has no target for any of his attacks. Not to menstion hes running around trying to escape the time bolt thats going to freeze him in time
4. charge up time is instant, the only time is in gameplay if a player is too slow or holds the button down too long, this vid show instant reaver spells:
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5. kains only teleport is to turn into bats? you phail, you dont know anything about, i seem to know tonnes more on Demitri in comparison to what you know of kain...
6. no he cannot only do that when theres mist, he now has Raziels reaver powers, one of them is to go invisible, you phail again
7. it only works on the weak minded, show me this? Inspire hate is a spell that through magic, not physchic power (the phsychic of Kain is mind control, do they have defence?) makes the enemies attack eachother, using the reaver spell, he does it to all of them at once.
8. this is your claim? back this up, all reavers including kains soul reaver in canon] no gameplay need to charge? if i can find the vid i can show you where even after hundreds maybe thousands of years, the reaver still has energy after being drained and hungered, it takes an incredibly long time for the reaver to lose power, this battle will not last 2 seconds. OR if kain wills it, barely that in the time bubble
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. what kain says>the description which is gameplay, kain says Time....discussion on this is over, unless well just rate this as an aspectless attack, undefenadable frozen solid as soon as it strikes.
I find it funny that just awhile ago you were argue Jedah's character to invalidate his dimension feat. But, Kains character of course is of no concern to us, right? The fact of the matter is that Kain seldom talks without adding some Romanticism into his dialogue. So, why is poetic license ruled out when it comes to your character. Also, he never stated the nature of the attack to be time displacement. He just stated "Frozen in Time".
Originally posted by Burning thought
2. pyron would be dead first, if Kain rips out his soul,
He would be dead the moment he gets close to him, they are all faster than Kain thanks to instantaneous teleportation.
Originally posted by Burning thought
or inspires hate Demitri who then does the old consume trick.
Except, that Mind Control takes focus and only works on weak minds.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Also they cannot kill Kain....sorry..they cannot.
But, they can: BFR him, Trap him, Absorb Reaver, and a whole list of things to immobilize him.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No the combo your thnking of is slow, why? becayse your saying Demetri thinks-->teleports-->gestures-->which casts midnight bliss.....Kain just thinks--->time reaver....anyone who goes in his space is doomed...or kain thinks--->repel shield-->midnight bliss--->female Demitri
How can you measure speed without time, Bt? Put some speed equations in their, and we can go to that tangent. Demitri doesn't have to gesture to tturn you into a female, he only chooses to that after you become a female versus Kain who has to raise the revear in the air like He-man cast a spell.
Originally posted by Burning thought
3. Jedah wont BFR anyone while stuck in TK shackles, unable to do anthing,
Except that the other two will be free, and able bodied.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain while in teleport, Dimenstional movement will be immune since for that moment Jedah has no target for any of his attacks. Not to menstion hes running around trying to escape the time bolt thats going to freeze him in time
Too bad he can only do those revear spells one at a time, since each one will cost him energy. He's not gonna be able to get it back, and if Pyron or Demitri absorbs the revear. . .he has no revear spells.
Originally posted by Burning thought
4. charge up time is instant, the only time is in gameplay if a player is too slow or holds the button down too long, this vid show instant reaver spells:_3j_eQcgpdM&eurl=http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=464117&pagenumber=3
I'll concede that point, but the rest still stand. He needs energy and good positioning to consistently use it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
5. kains only teleport is to turn into bats? you phail, you dont know anything about, i seem to know tonnes more on Demitri in comparison to what you know of kain...
Strawman, quote me where I said that his only method of teleportation is a metamorphosis?
Originally posted by Burning thought
6. no he cannot only do that when theres mist, he now has Raziels reaver powers, one of them is to go invisible, you phail again
With charge. 🙂
Originally posted by Burning thought
7. it only works on the weak minded, show me this? Inspire hate is a spell that through magic, not physchic power (the phsychic of Kain is mind control, do they have defence?) makes the enemies attack eachother, using the reaver spell, he does it to all of them at once.
They have defenses against physic attacks, since they some themselves.
Also:
This spell caused all enemies in the area to attack each other for a limited time. They only confronted Kain if he got too close to them.
The attack makes them attack anyone, not just their friends. They will attack kain as well, and since they do not need teamwork to beat the likes of Kain. . .he dies.
Originally posted by Burning thought
8. this is your claim? back this up, [B] all reavers including kains soul reaver in canon] no gameplay need to charge? if i can find the vid i can show you where even after hundreds maybe thousands of years, the reaver still has energy after being drained and hungered, it takes an incredibly long time for the reaver to lose power, this battle will not last 2 seconds. OR if kain wills it, barely that in the time bubble [/B]
Please post them and canon proof.
Originally posted by Burning thought
yes indeed he would but how much control i cannot prove, but its safe to say if they have shown no resistence to even one of these things, kain has the power to take them, have any of these 3 for instance shown much mind resistence is what ime wonderng, if not, he can either possess them completly, or get one of them to attack the others or maybe even all of them, Demitri mind controled=Pyron owned for a start.
I think it would be safe to assume that now that he has taken the role as balance Guardian that he is capable of utilizing the abilities to there full potential.
just to show it from you own respect thread BT
Mind - The Mind Guardians had 'phenomenal' mental and psychic ability, including the powers of telepathy and telekinesis, the latter of which also allows the Guardian to create extremely realistic illusions.
Conflict - have the power to infuse others with rage and attack eachother, powers over warfare
Nature-The Nature Guardians' abilities were linked to the living world: plants, animals and even the weather,the power to control nature and reshape it from one form to another
Dimension- The Dimension Guardian has the power to see into, enter and draw things from alternate dimensions
States- the power to transfigure matter, control over the states of things as well as shapeshift
Energy- The Energy Guardian has the power to control infinite amounts of energy as well as manipulate it.
Time- The Time Guardian has the power to manipulate the flow of time, this also gives the guardian near-omniscience as they can see the past, present and future.
Death- The Death Guardian has power over death and can suspend the soul of an individual in a physical form beyond death and had influence over the spirits and bodies of the dead
Balance- The Balance Guardian has the power of boundless, incorruptible magic. The Guaridan also binds all of the other Guardians to the Pillars and to one another. Their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth
Balance Emblem- The Balance Emblem is an artifact of the pillars, the Emblem consisted of all 9 emblems of the pillars incluing its own in the center, this attaches to reaver giving it the power of said pillars directley.
Read carefully at the Balance Emblem that kain bound to the Reaver in the end.
Originally posted by Classic NES
I find it funny that just awhile ago you were argue Jedah's character to invalidate his dimension feat. But, Kains character of course is of no concern to us, right? The fact of the matter is that Kain seldom talks without adding some Romanticism into his dialogue. So, why is poetic license ruled out when it comes to your character. Also, he never stated the nature of the attack to be time displacement. He just stated "Frozen in Time".He would be dead the moment he gets close to him, they are all faster than Kain thanks to instantaneous teleportation.
Except, that Mind Control takes focus and only works on weak minds.
But, they can: BFR him, Trap him, Absorb Reaver, and a whole list of things to immobilize him.
How can you measure speed without time, Bt? Put some speed equations in their, and we can go to that tangent. Demitri doesn't have to gesture to tturn you into a female, he only chooses to that after you become a female versus Kain who has to raise the revear in the air like He-man cast a spell.
Except that the other two will be free, and able bodied.
Too bad he can only do those revear spells one at a time, since each one will cost him energy. He's not gonna be able to get it back, and if Pyron or Demitri absorbs the revear. . .he has no revear spells.
I'll concede that point, but the rest still stand. He needs energy and good positioning to consistently use it.
Strawman, quote me where I said that his only method of teleportation is a metamorphosis?
With charge. 🙂
They have defenses against physic attacks, since they some themselves.
Also:
The attack makes them attack anyone, not just their friends. They will attack kain as well, and since they do not need teamwork to beat the likes of Kain. . .he dies.
Please post them
Originally posted by Classic NES
Besides his dimensional teleport which takes a charge reaver. Kains only "Teleport" is to turn into bats, what's stopping them form killing all those bats?
your saying in here that he can only teleport with dimension reaver, this is false and you also said his only teleport is to turn into bats...you phail here
1. kains character is regardless in this matter, it is obvious that Jedah, even you yourself admit that he is excited. Kain however is no such thing. Kain clearly states frozen in time, he doesnt say anything that could be justified any other way, but i have no need to debate this any further, your argueing now for the sake of argueing, basically who gets hit with this, is stuck solid and is kains toy to be disposed off later.
2. he gets close? no sorry, kain cannot die, nice try tho, but what you mean is defeated, but no hes not going to get close at all, hes going to rip out Pyrons soul from a distance, just like jedah would be able to, poor pyron. But ofcourse no need, Demitri is going to do it for him.
3. ime not talking about mind control, who says also it takes focus? you making things up same with the only works on weak minds part. But no ime not talking of mind control, inspire hate magic spell, or reaver spell through the conflict emblem, it will make Demitri kill pyron for Kain. Good old demitri.
4. BFR only jedah can do, as i said, this guy will be in shackles or slowed in time like hte rest of them, or legging it from incapacitate, not to menstion ofcourse Kain can move through dimensions. Trap him? with? be more specific, the fact he can turn to mist, teleport, bats and go invisible is going to unlikely they are going to do anything of a sort. Absorb reaver..lmao......
5. prove he does not have to gesture
6. free yes, and attacking eachother
7. as ive stated the reaver after taking Raziels soul is infnite in actual reaver energy, since its turned from blood as a fuel source which is why you have to charge the blade to souls, and ive got a video of kain using Teleport (zomg but he doesnt have teleport...think again, unelss thats dimenstional teleport your seeing in which case your proving my point further of him not needing charge), here he uses many soul powers, blast lightning etc etc over and over. The fact he has infnite magic energy anyway also throws some of your nonsense out of the window.
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ofcourse...kain cannot teleport, the game must be wrong
8. read your own quote, they only attack kain if he comes "close" to them, if hes teleported far away what rubbish you talking off, Demitri owns Pyron, Demitri then before realising anything is hit by a time bolt or is ofcourse soul ripped an dies, and Jedah is wiggling his little legs or frozen himself, tries to cry out as kain rips his soul...3 DS gone
9. They have defenses against physic attacks, since they some themselves.
lmao your crediblity in the forum is basically dead, especially now, they have defences because they have them themselves? okie kain has defences again time, dimension, fire, all these attacks....no your point is moot, void and most especially incredible that you actually came up with it....even this is a low, even for you m8....so ime guessing since your grabbing at straws they dont have even mind protection? excellent
Originally posted by Utrigita
I think it would be safe to assume that now that he has taken the role as balance Guardian that he is capable of utilizing the abilities to there full potential.just to show it from you own respect thread BT
Mind - The Mind Guardians had 'phenomenal' mental and psychic ability, including the powers of telepathy and telekinesis, the latter of which also allows the Guardian to create extremely realistic illusions.
Conflict - have the power to infuse others with rage and attack eachother, powers over warfare
Nature-The Nature Guardians' abilities were linked to the living world: plants, animals and even the weather,the power to control nature and reshape it from one form to another
Dimension- The Dimension Guardian has the power to see into, enter and draw things from alternate dimensions
States- the power to transfigure matter, control over the states of things as well as shapeshift
Energy- The Energy Guardian has the power to control infinite amounts of energy as well as manipulate it.
Time- The Time Guardian has the power to manipulate the flow of time, this also gives the guardian near-omniscience as they can see the past, present and future.
Death- The Death Guardian has power over death and can suspend the soul of an individual in a physical form beyond death and had influence over the spirits and bodies of the dead
Balance- The Balance Guardian has the power of boundless, incorruptible magic. The Guaridan also binds all of the other Guardians to the Pillars and to one another. Their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth
Balance Emblem- The Balance Emblem is an artifact of the pillars, the Emblem consisted of all 9 emblems of the pillars incluing its own in the center, this attaches to reaver giving it the power of said pillars directley.
Read carefully at the Balance Emblem that kain bound to the Reaver in the end.
indeed, he has all these powers and due to his infnite magic and the fact his reaver is now soul powered, he can do them any amount of times, theres nothing these 3 overrated darkstalkers can do tbh, but ofcourse, Classic is going to try and break it up so it sounds invalid 🙄 or say things are false such as teleportation 😂
Originally posted by Burning thought
your saying in here that he can only teleport with dimension reaver, this is false and you also said his only teleport is to turn into bats...you phail here
Learn to quote me properly, so that I can actually go back to the post and read what I said:
Originally posted by Classic NES
Besides his dimensional teleport which takes a charge reaver. Kains only "Teleport" is to turn into bats, what's stopping them form killing all those bats?
This is what I actually said; your pathetic stawman is obvious.
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. kains character is regardless in this matter. . .
But, Jedah's character is. . . That's amazingly hypocritical BT.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain clearly states frozen in time, he doesnt say anything that could be justified any other way,
Except if he's using poetic license, that definetly was not "plain speaking"
Originally posted by Burning thought
but i have no need to debate this any further, your argueing now for the sake of argueing, basically who gets hit with this, is stuck solid and is kains toy to be disposed off later.
If you don't have to justify your point, why should I?
Originally posted by Burning thought
2. he gets close? no sorry, kain cannot die, nice try tho, but what you mean is defeated, but no hes not going to get close at all, hes going to rip out Pyrons soul from a distance, just like jedah would be able to, poor pyron. But ofcourse no need, Demitri is going to do it for him.
How's he gonna do that, BT? When has he or Raziel or the reaver demonstrated the ability to rip out ones soul right off the bat? I want you to show me any evidence of this fraudulent claim.
He doesn't have to die, he'll just live in pieces and once he cannot fight back. . .[Game-Over]
Originally posted by Burning thought
3. ime not talking about mind control, who says also it takes focus? you making things up same with the only works on weak minds part.
So, I guess when kain takes his sweaty hands and applies it on his temple while he seeks out a victim. . .That's not focusing? Try doing charm to any of the enemy's in Blood Omen 2, see how it works. It only works on the weak minded.
Originally posted by Burning thought
But no ime not talking of mind control, inspire hate magic spell, or reaver spell through the conflict emblem, it will make Demitri kill pyron for Kain. Good old demitri.
False, Inspire Hate makes everyone attack anyone, including Kain. Unless Kain hides like a little girl, and waits for the "adults" to kill each other. He will get caught in the fray, and be the first one to fall.
Originally posted by Burning thought
4. BFR only jedah can do, as i said, this guy will be in shackles or slowed in time like hte rest of them, or legging it from incapacitate, not to menstion ofcourse Kain can move through dimensions. Trap him? with? be more specific, the fact he can turn to mist, teleport, bats and go invisible is going to unlikely they are going to do anything of a sort. Absorb reaver..lmao......
But, of course he can only do one of those pesky reaver spells.
"Dimension Travel" You mean that teleport blitz that Pyron can do indefinetly versus Kain who needs the full powered Reaver?
"Slow Time" He can only do it once with a full powered revear, and the range is pathetic.
"Bats" Lol
"Mist" Double lol, what's he gonna do? Give them a cough?
Tk Shackles only works on people within his scope of view. If your behind him or too faraway. It becomes useless, unless your gonna argue that Jedah can hit them miles away?
Originally posted by Burning thought
5. prove he does not have to gesture
Cannot prove a negative
Originally posted by Burning thought
6. free yes, and attacking eachother
And Kain. 🙂
Originally posted by Burning thought
7. as ive stated the reaver after taking Raziels soul is infnite in actual reaver energy,
Prove it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
since its turned from blood as a fuel source which is why you have to charge the blade to souls, and ive got a video of kain using Teleport (zomg but he doesnt have teleport...think again, unelss thats dimenstional teleport your seeing in which case your proving my point further of him not needing charge), here he uses many soul powers, blast lightning etc etc over and over. The fact he has infnite magic energy anyway also throws some of your nonsense out of the window.
Strawman
Prove he has infinite energy, mate.
Originally posted by Burning thought
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ofcourse...kain cannot teleport, the game must be wrong
Originally posted by Burning thought
8. read your own quote, they only attack kain if he comes "close" to them, if hes teleported far away what rubbish you talking off, Demitri owns Pyron, Demitri then before realising anything is hit by a time bolt or is ofcourse soul ripped an dies, and Jedah is wiggling his little legs or frozen himself, tries to cry out as kain rips his soul...3 DS gone
Except that they will attack everyone including Kain, Demitri will not pwn Pyron. He will engage him, and Kain will most likely get caught in the onslaught and die since he's out of his league.
Originally posted by Burning thought
9. They have defenses against physic attacks, since they some themselves.lmao your crediblity in the forum is basically dead, especially now,
You never had any credibility, and I could carelss if I'm not respected in a forum discussing "What video game character can beat who"
Originally posted by Burning thought
they have defences because they have them themselves? okie kain has defences again time, dimension, fire, all these attacks....no your point is moot, void and most especially incredible that you actually came up with it....even this is a low, even for you m8....so ime guessing since your grabbing at straws they dont have even mind protection? excellent
Strawman, I made like four points about mental attacks and you cherry pick one.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Learn to quote me properly, so that I can actually go back to the post and read what I said:This is what I actually said; your pathetic stawman is obvious.
But, Jedah's character is. . . That's amazingly hypocritical BT.
Except if he's using poetic license, that definetly was not "plain speaking"
If you don't have to justify your point, why should I?
How's he gonna do that, BT? When has he or Raziel or the reaver demonstrated the ability to rip out ones soul right off the bat? I want you to show me any evidence of this fraudulent claim.
He doesn't have to die, he'll just live in pieces and once he cannot fight back. . .[Game-Over]
So, I guess when kain takes his sweaty hands and applies it on his temple while he seeks out a victim. . .That's not focusing? Try doing mind control to any of the enemy's in Blood Omen 2, see how it works.
False, Inspire Hate makes everyone attack anyone, including Kain. Unless Kain hides like a little girl, and waits for the "adults" to kill each other. He will get caught in the fray, and be the first one to fall.
But, of course he can only do one of those pesky reaver spells.
"Dimension Travel" You mean that teleport blitz that Pyron can do indefinetly versus Kain who needs the full powered Reaver?
"Slow Time" He can only do it once with a full powered revear, and the range is pathetic.
"Bats" Lol
"Mist" Double lol, what's he gonna do? Give them a cough?
Tk Shackles only works on people within his scope of view. If your behind him or too faraway. It becomes useless, unless your gonna argue that Jedah can hit them miles away?
Cannot prove a negative
And Kain. 🙂
Prove it.
Strawman
Prove he has infinite energy, mate.
Strawman
Except that they will attack everyone including Kain, Demitri will not pwn Pyron. He will engage him, and Kain will most likely get caught in the onslaught and die since he's out of his league.
You never had any credibility, and I could carelss if I'm not respected in a forum discussing "What video game character can beat who"
Strawman, I made like four points about mental attacks and you cherry pick one.
1. yeh regardless in this matter.....
2. your the one choosing what it is, it doesnt work like that, find for me evidence from an official source he was speaking in poetic license, that useless ploy is pointless Classic, "poetic license" seems to be your definition of anything that will leave your fanboyism crushed
3. you do because ime not argueing for the sake of argueing, as if it makes any diffrence at all, we know the enemy hit by this is stopped in his tracks, plain and simple and that kain says so himself you running round with your "poetic lisence" line constantly.
4. how? read the spells page again and once again, live in pieces, no hell do what he always does, turn to shadow bats and reform OR reform in mist, you fail, not that any of them are going to even touch him, or break any of him into pieces lmao.....
5. i guess when kain does it in Blood omen 1 it means nothing then does it? when he takes over a victim while protected in an indestructable shell, well done.....not that it means anything
6. false, inspire hate makes them attack eachother in a blind rage, ignoring kain unless hes like standing nearby, which is a stupid thing to think, he knows his own spell, hes not going to run in amongst them, and if he did, their attacks wont do much to him in his shield.
7. yeh he can only do one when hes got the blood reaver, now hes got the Soul reaver however, woot for kain. The range is not pathetic, your gnawring at an old bone over and over again, how is room width pathetic? not that it matters if he teleports right next to them.
fasle pyron needs momentum to blitz anyone, at the same time, no Dimension teleport is faster than Pyrons light speed anyway, dimentional movement>light speed, light is a physical force, Dimension is like instant teleportation over and over and over.
mist? no he wont give them a cought, only be instangible so that all their pathetic attacks mean nothing to him, not to menstion he can move through the transition instantly, Pyron uses a mini sun or tries to ram kain and all he hits is mist (ofc theoretical, Pyron wont even move before hes a gonner), none of their attacks except perhaps soul attacks will work here.
where you getting this from? TK shackles if youve played the game shackles the enemy to the spot, from that moment their independant of kain and he can run off and do what he likes while their trapped
correction, you cant prove anything about it, your simply making up randomness
Dskers are far out of kains legue you mean, their minute abilities mean nothing to his many skills and powers, they wont do anything to him at all. Unless ofcourse he dies of laughter..oh w8 he cant die..alrite faints with laughter at their attempts.
lmao your quite funny, everything is a strawman if it proves you wrong it seems and knocks you off your feet, heres some friendly advice, please go and learn about a character before debating the character....your falling down a well, and the light is dispearing from the top, go find out then when you concede afer realising your fanboyism and folly well be sorted.
Originally posted by Burning thought
- yeh regardless in this matter.....-your the one choosing what it is, it doesnt work like that, find for me evidence from an official source he was speaking in poetic license, that useless ploy is pointless Classic, "poetic license" seems to be your definition of anything that will leave your fanboyism crushed
-Not regardless, you went through this whole mode of posting videos and constantly mentioning teleportation in a pathetic Strawman.
-He was since: A] There was no mention in time from the description other then what Kain added. B] He was not plain speaking, at all. c] Kain is seldom frank, he constantly adds romanticisms in his dialogue. I already post excerpts from site, BT. If you have the time go to youtube and look for video just to strawman. You can actually read my post and find where i posted proof. If your claiming I did not post proof, I can easily quote myself and make you look foolish as always. If your being sincere, then I repeat: Go back and read over what I said. You have time to post videos for a Strawman; then surely you must have time to actually look for evidence of something I posted already.
Originally posted by Burning thought
- you do because ime not argueing for the sake of argueing, as if it makes any diffrence at all, we know the enemy hit by this is stopped in his tracks, plain and simple and that kain says so himself you running round with your "poetic lisence" line constantly.-how? read the spells page [B]again
and once again, live in pieces, no hell do what he always does, turn to shadow bats and reform OR reform in mist, you fail, not that any of them are going to even touch him, or break any of him into pieces lmao.....[/B]
-Yeah, we know he's stopped in his tracks, but it has nothing to do with time. That's all I'm saying, homie. As for the sake of argument, your the on with huge double standards. You were constantly hounding me about Jedah's character, but now when Kains come in too question. You dodge and claim it's unimportant, but of course Jedah's is? You call that fair and objective, mate? You'd be lying if you said yes. I have nothing to gain from doing this, since I do not dislike Kain nor do I care too much if he wins or loses. If you could prove he has infinite energy or mastery over all said elements, I would concede. Now what would it take for you to concede, If you cannot answer or ignore said evidence when it is presented. Then you are simply too bias, it's simple debating principles.
-He's going to reform into mist and breakdown again. Is mist not subjected to gravity's laws, If Pyron becomes the size of a dwarf star. Kain will be crushed, it's as simple as that. Bats and Mist will not change that, his only chance is the reavers "dimensional Teleport
Originally posted by Burning thought
- i guess when kain does it in Blood omen 1 it means nothing then does it? when he takes over a victim while protected in an indestructable shell, well done.....not that it means anything- false, inspire hate makes them attack eachother in a blind rage, ignoring kain [B] unless
hes like standing nearby, which is a stupid thing to think, he knows his own spell, hes not going to run in amongst them, and if he did, their attacks wont do much to him in his shield. [/B]
-I was waiting for you to mention that attack from Blood Omen. That's not a mental attack, Kain cast out your soul and replaces it with his. He then takes over your body, while his is protected by a shield. Indestructable, prove it, because that's easily dismissed as a game mechanic. Also, that attack is not mind control, "Charm" from Blood Omen 2 is and that's what I was reffering too.
-Wrong, Inspire makes them attack anyone, I posted proof. Do you want me too post it again and make you look foolish?
Originally posted by Burning thought
- yeh he can only do one when hes got the blood reaver, now hes got the Soul reaver however, woot for kain. The range is not pathetic, your gnawring at an old bone over and over again, how is room width pathetic? not that it matters if he teleports right next to them.-fasle pyron needs momentum to blitz anyone, at the same time, no Dimension teleport is faster than Pyrons light speed anyway, dimentional movement>light speed, light is a physical force, Dimension is like instant teleportation over and over and over.
-The attack does not cover the entire room, Bt. It only extends out too about five meters at best. It's a close to mid range attack. Also, both reavers regardless of it's the Material or Spectral revear. They need to feed on life energy [Blood; Souls] to use their spells. Where is he gonna get that constant energy from and how?
- Prove it, he's teleported stationary all the time. Furthermore, his Teleport is not Light speed. Where are you getting this crap from?
Originally posted by Burning thought
-mist? no he wont give them a cought, only be instangible so that all their pathetic attacks mean nothing to him, not to menstion he can move through the transition instantly, Pyron uses a mini sun or tries to ram kain and all he hits is mist (ofc theoretical, Pyron wont even move before hes a gonner), none of their attacks except perhaps soul attacks will work here.-where you getting this from? TK shackles if youve played the game shackles the enemy to the spot, from that moment their independant of kain and he can run off and do what he likes while their trapped
Mist is not inangible, it's simply thin vapor. The heat and pressure from Pyron will still effect it. He doesn't even have to ram him, that's so stupid, BT.
-Common sense, Tk shackles cannot hit anyone from any range. If said person is out of Kains range, how can he hit him. Like everything, TK has range.
Originally posted by Burning thought
-correction, you cant prove anything about it, your simply making up randomness-Dskers are far out of kains legue you mean. . .
-Strawman
-You damn right they are out of his league, way out of it. . .Since his league is far below theirs. 🙂
Originally posted by Burning thought
-lmao your quite funny, everything is a strawman if it proves you wrong it seems and knocks you off your feet, heres some friendly advice, please go and learn about a character before debating the character....your falling down a well, and the light is dispearing from the top, go find out then when you concede afer realising your fanboyism and folly well be sorted.
-Sorry, but in debates we use something called logic. It would do you some good to actually use it. 🙂
Everytime you Strawman, I will simple state so.