Considering their reproduction was noted, yea, a species.
It's those dragon kin mentioned way back by Rubel. Rubel's bosses in short.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So it's just a name transition? I hope so cause it'd suck if this series ended right here.
As far as I know, yes.
Claymoremore: Increasingly large amounts of clay.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Just you...that I know of.However, I wanted to know more about those creatures. Are they a species of something?
WHAT GEEEVS?!?!?!?!
Yeah I do want to know more about the Dragonkin. Looka like Claymore's author came up with a decent way to start a new arc just when it felt like the series would only die down.
Originally posted by Q99
Claymoremore: Increasingly large amounts of clay.
Originally posted by Q99
Considering their reproduction was noted, yea, a species.It's those dragon kin mentioned way back by Rubel. Rubel's bosses in short.B]
I have a favor to ask...and it is returanble as a redeemable at any time...just name it.
Could you explain the entire aspect of the Organization...how they relate to the Claymore...etc? I am very fuzzy on how things go down and what exactly all of that means. Basically, could you explain to me what and how the entire organization is and operates. Then tie that into the claymores.
And, yes, if you do this for me, I'll do whatever you one, one time, on teh interwebz. You can tell me, "dadudemon, I want to redeem my favor so admit I am right in this argument" and I will. That's how serious I want to know WTF is going on.
Originally posted by Q99
[B]Claymoremore: Increasingly large amounts of clay.
Could be something like...
Claymore: Reign of the Ghosts
Ghosts = 7 ghosts
And, yes, if you do this for me, I'll do whatever you one, one time, on teh interwebz. You can tell me, "dadudemon, I want to redeem my favor so admit I am right in this argument" and I will. That's how serious I want to know WTF is going on.
Hah, accepted 🙂
Could you explain the entire aspect of the Organization...how they relate to the Claymore...etc? I am very fuzzy on how things go down and what exactly all of that means. Basically, could you explain to me what and how the entire organization is and operates. Then tie that into the claymores.
Ok, the Organization, what it does, and how it's set up! I will go in depth here, so be warned ^^
To begin with, the Organization is fundamentally a research and development department, where Claymore are only a mid-stage product, and Awakened Beings are the final results.
They are set up by an alliance of nations on another land, who makes very limited contact with them. Mostly they run by themselves and are highly self-sufficient.
How They're Set Up
They have a main leadership council, which makes decisions.
Beneath them are the researchers, notably Dae, who do the Organization's important work. They're the ones who figure out how to improve claymore, improve awakened beings, and trying to come up with new ways to make 'weapons,' meaning claymores, awakeneds, yoma, abyss feeders, the revived #1s, all of that.
They rely on information reported to directly to the leadership council by Watchers, who give Claymore orders. Each Watcher 'runs' one or more Claymore, giving them missions, accepting payment, and of course keeping tabs on their abilities and seeing if there is anything interesting for research purposes. The Watchers, obviously, have two faces- one, the one they present to the Claymore and public, that they're running operations to kill monsters, and two, that they're really there for the research.
Now it should be mentioned about all three of these levels- they don't age. Via some process, their apparent age remains unchanged even over decades.
Then there's trainers, who train the young claymore, obviously. They aren't very important and are rather low level, but are necessary.
And finally, there's Retrieval Squads. These are groups of combatants, male, who are tasked with retrieving materials for use by the reseachers. They aren't super strong combatants, but in numbers they can perform cleanup pretty well.
They have two bases. The main one, in the East, is their HQ and where most Claymore training happens. They also have a smaller base up between the East and North, which makes Awakened Ones out of males for their use, and is also likely the place where basic yoma are made.
All in all, it's a fairly small organization, but due to their control of the Claymores, and their release of yoma and awakened beings to make people rely on them, they control the continent via fear and propaganda, and can arrange for the destruction of pretty much anyone, individual or group, who they feel the need to, thus letting them progress with their research with no interference from the locals.
What it does!
The whole process starts with the two dragon kin in the basement. By combining the tissues of the two, they make the yoma parasite.
They take the parasite and infect people. Once infected, the yoma kills people and occasionally transfers itself to someone else. This is both done to give them funding- by making people pay to get rid of them- and to obtain materials. As once the yoma are killed, they then have it's flesh.
Taking the flesh of a yoma, they then create Claymore. The purpose of a claymore is to develop their skills as a weapon. Most claymore truly matter very little to the organization as most won't do anything unique, and thus are little more than funding generators, killing yoma for money and materials and all that.
Those who reach high level, though, or who manage to develop unusual abilities, give them data on ways to improve their experiments, how to aim for reproducing those trains in the future, and figure out how to increase the war potential of claymore in general.
However, they are as mentioned an intermediate weapon- they are simply the best that is available, but they need something stronger to stand up to the awakened Dragon Kin. Thus comes in Awakened Beings, and Creatures of the Abyss.
Normal Awakened Beings are basically akin to Yoma in one sense- in that they are a source of training for claymore, research data, and upon the development of the Abyss Feeder project, materials as well.
Many are made from male orphans taken from the north in a similar way female orphans are made claymore. They're just fodder, though, and the more important Awakeneds are the former Claymore, who due to their training can control their instincts better and use powers, while a freshly transformed, human-to-awakened in one go has no experience before changing and is totally overwhelmed by the experience, ensuring they go berserk.
The Claymore's training comes into play here again- the stronger the claymore, the more interesting the research data, whereas a purposefully made male Awakened tells them pretty much nothing.
The purpose of the Organization is basically to figure out how to use all of these beings as weapons, and they are the final goal.
Learning to increase their combat power is fine and all, but it effectively only makes them more dangerous suicide bombers if used in a battlefield.
The true goal is to learn to control them, a project that made a major leap in the attempts to make a pair for control purposes. Rafaela and Luciela were the first attempt to do this at high-level, Alicia and Beth were the first attempt that succeeded, and the new soul linked twins are the first true success of the method.
And the training of Claymore pays off, in the Organization's eyes, because the stronger the Claymore, the stronger the Awakened, and a controlled Abyssal One level combatant is what they need in their war.
Meanwhile they do also keep an eye out for other opportunities to increase their war capability in other ways. The Abyss Feeder project which, while not super-strong, allowed them to eliminate their most dangerous failures. The Destroyer Statue (Rafaela / Luciela), which they never figured out how to use, obviously, but if they did it would make for a grand 'suicide bomber' that far surpassed any awakened one, even a creature of the abyss, so was of great value to them and they likely would've tried to learn how to produce at will due to it's great power.
And Priscilla, which they luckily never found out about, but her arm did allow them to do the 'resurrect fallen #1s project'. Which, if they had Priscilla's tissue available, you can be sure they'd try and develop and make far more controllable if possible.
And that's their goals in depth: To use a chain of dragonkin flesh/yoma parasites/claymore/awakened to make ever-increasingly strong weapons, and then try and control them.
Everything in the lower stages is basically just material for the higher ones, and only the strongest of Claymore really matter to them at all, and even them not as much as their idea goal of fully controlled Abyssals.
Any questions?
Originally posted by Q99
Hah, accepted 🙂Ok, the Organization, what it does, and how it's set up! I will go in depth here, so be warned ^^
To begin with, the Organization is fundamentally a research and development department, where Claymore are only a mid-stage product, and Awakened Beings are the final results.
They are set up by an alliance of nations on another land, who makes very limited contact with them. Mostly they run by themselves and are highly self-sufficient.
[b]How They're Set Up
They have a main leadership council, which makes decisions.
Beneath them are the researchers, notably Dae, who do the Organization's important work. They're the ones who figure out how to improve claymore, improve awakened beings, and trying to come up with new ways to make 'weapons,' meaning claymores, awakeneds, yoma, abyss feeders, the revived #1s, all of that.
They rely on information reported to directly to the leadership council by Watchers, who give Claymore orders. Each Watcher 'runs' one or more Claymore, giving them missions, accepting payment, and of course keeping tabs on their abilities and seeing if there is anything interesting for research purposes. The Watchers, obviously, have two faces- one, the one they present to the Claymore and public, that they're running operations to kill monsters, and two, that they're really there for the research.
Now it should be mentioned about all three of these levels- they don't age. Via some process, their apparent age remains unchanged even over decades.
Then there's trainers, who train the young claymore, obviously. They aren't very important and are rather low level, but are necessary.
And finally, there's Retrieval Squads. These are groups of combatants, male, who are tasked with retrieving materials for use by the reseachers. They aren't super strong combatants, but in numbers they can perform cleanup pretty well.
They have two bases. The main one, in the East, is their HQ and where most Claymore training happens. They also have a smaller base up between the East and North, which makes Awakened Ones out of males for their use, and is also likely the place where basic yoma are made.
All in all, it's a fairly small organization, but due to their control of the Claymores, and their release of yoma and awakened beings to make people rely on them, they control the continent via fear and propaganda, and can arrange for the destruction of pretty much anyone, individual or group, who they feel the need to, thus letting them progress with their research with no interference from the locals.
What it does!
The whole process starts with the two dragon kin in the basement. By combining the tissues of the two, they make the yoma parasite.
They take the parasite and infect people. Once infected, the yoma kills people and occasionally transfers itself to someone else. This is both done to give them funding- by making people pay to get rid of them- and to obtain materials. As once the yoma are killed, they then have it's flesh.
Taking the flesh of a yoma, they then create Claymore. The purpose of a claymore is to develop their skills as a weapon. Most claymore truly matter very little to the organization as most won't do anything unique, and thus are little more than funding generators, killing yoma for money and materials and all that.
Those who reach high level, though, or who manage to develop unusual abilities, give them data on ways to improve their experiments, how to aim for reproducing those trains in the future, and figure out how to increase the war potential of claymore in general.
However, they are as mentioned an intermediate weapon- they are simply the best that is available, but they need something stronger to stand up to the awakened Dragon Kin. Thus comes in Awakened Beings, and Creatures of the Abyss.
Normal Awakened Beings are basically akin to Yoma in one sense- in that they are a source of training for claymore, research data, and upon the development of the Abyss Feeder project, materials as well.
Many are made from male orphans taken from the north in a similar way female orphans are made claymore. They're just fodder, though, and the more important Awakeneds are the former Claymore, who due to their training can control their instincts better and use powers, while a freshly transformed, human-to-awakened in one go has no experience before changing and is totally overwhelmed by the experience, ensuring they go berserk.
The Claymore's training comes into play here again- the stronger the claymore, the more interesting the research data, whereas a purposefully made male Awakened tells them pretty much nothing.
The purpose of the Organization is basically to figure out how to use all of these beings as weapons, and they are the final goal.
Learning to increase their combat power is fine and all, but it effectively only makes them more dangerous suicide bombers if used in a battlefield.
The true goal is to learn to control them, a project that made a major leap in the attempts to make a pair for control purposes. Rafaela and Luciela were the first attempt to do this at high-level, Alicia and Beth were the first attempt that succeeded, and the new soul linked twins are the first true success of the method.
And the training of Claymore pays off, in the Organization's eyes, because the stronger the Claymore, the stronger the Awakened, and a controlled Abyssal One level combatant is what they need in their war.
Meanwhile they do also keep an eye out for other opportunities to increase their war capability in other ways. The Abyss Feeder project which, while not super-strong, allowed them to eliminate their most dangerous failures. The Destroyer Statue (Rafaela / Luciela), which they never figured out how to use, obviously, but if they did it would make for a grand 'suicide bomber' that far surpassed any awakened one, even a creature of the abyss, so was of great value to them and they likely would've tried to learn how to produce at will due to it's great power.
And Priscilla, which they luckily never found out about, but her arm did allow them to do the 'resurrect fallen #1s project'. Which, if they had Priscilla's tissue available, you can be sure they'd try and develop and make far more controllable if possible.
And that's their goals in depth: To use a chain of dragonkin flesh/yoma parasites/claymore/awakened to make ever-increasingly strong weapons, and then try and control them.
Everything in the lower stages is basically just material for the higher ones, and only the strongest of Claymore really matter to them at all, and even them not as much as their idea goal of fully controlled Abyssals.
Any questions? [/B]
No questions. ****...I suddenly understand the organization and what it is all about. All of it has come together, now. Seriously, I had no idea what piece of the puzzle I was missing but you got itsettled: it's just a war machine used to wage war against the Dragon-kin. That was the piece missing that did not makes sense but I had no idea that I was missing that piece of the puzzle.
I had read and read all about the organization and the last chapter just did not make sense to me. It appeared as though it was wrapping things up but I missed what it was actually wrapping up.
So a claymore stands no chance against a dragon kin, eh? Only an abyssal level awakened being stands a chance? That makes sense because the dragon kin look like awakened beings.
That tells me that there are probably multiple levels of dragon-kin. Is Priscilla the key to solving the people behind the organization's problems? Keep in mind that the organization was just a tool/out-growth of a greater organization in a different land.
This makes me happy to imagine what part II will be like.
Again, I am super duper grateful for you explaining all of that. And...again, I will repay your efforts. If you need a calc done in a versus debate, you want me to stfu about a topic, you want me to concede a point...anything within reason, and I will fulfill it on the boards.
So a claymore stands no chance against a dragon kin, eh? Only an abyssal level awakened being stands a chance? That makes sense because the dragon kin look like awakened beings.
Well, we've never seen them fight after all... but there's two levels of Dragon Kin actually confirmed in the last chapter. The human-ish ones, and the larger 'awakened' dragons kins.
I assume the lower level is somewhat akin to a Claymore, maybe a bit stronger due to their size, and the higher level like an Awakened. A non-mook Awakened at that.
And a 300 year old, awakened dragon kin? I assume that's really really uber.
Also, very importantly, they're *smart*. They aren't berserkers like yoma awakened. Meaning you will have them fight as groups occasionally. In a way, that's even more frightening than the power alone. Even Isley's army was more mob than anything else.
Is Priscilla the key to solving the people behind the organization's problems? Keep in mind that the organization was just a tool/out-growth of a greater organization in a different land.
Well, not if Claire has anything to say about it 😉
The Alliance's reaction will be interesting. They might deem the Organization's project a failure and give up on it, but they might decide that they're so desperate that they absolutely need to restart things and claim the research material on the continent.
Again, I am super duper grateful for you explaining all of that. And...again, I will repay your efforts. If you need a calc done in a versus debate, you want me to stfu about a topic, you want me to concede a point...anything within reason, and I will fulfill it on the boards.
🙂
Originally posted by Q99
Well, we've never seen them fight after all... but there's two levels of Dragon Kin actually confirmed in the last chapter. The human-ish ones, and the larger 'awakened' dragons kins.I assume the lower level is somewhat akin to a Claymore, maybe a bit stronger due to their size, and the higher level like an Awakened. A non-mook Awakened at that.
And a 300 year old, awakened dragon kin? I assume that's really really uber.
Also, very importantly, they're *smart*. They aren't berserkers like yoma awakened. Meaning you will have them fight as groups occasionally. In a way, that's even more frightening than the power alone. Even Isley's army was more mob than anything else.
I believe Rimuto said that they live to 200 years old. They combine an un-"awakened" form with an "awakened" form to form the immortal parasite...which is weird.
Also,the Dragon-kin are called the Asarakam. We'll have to get used to calling them that because I am sure that is what we will be dealing with in part II.
Originally posted by Q99
Well, not if Claire has anything to say about it 😉
It would appear that Clare's friends are going to unseal her. They miss her too much. And I for one don't want to be without Clare. 🙁
Originally posted by Q99
The Alliance's reaction will be interesting. They might deem the Organization's project a failure and give up on it, but they might decide that they're so desperate that they absolutely need to restart things and claim the research material on the continent.
Well, on that last speculation from you...maybe that's what part II will focus on: a reclamation of the continent that the living Claymore are on?
I believe Rimuto said that they live to 200 years old. They combine an un-"awakened" form with an "awakened" form to form the immortal parasite...which is weird.
Well the parasites aren't really immortal. They're an infection, and use up hosts.
And maybe the Awakened Ones and such, which we've assumed to be immortal, really have a draconic life span. Or they and claymore benefit from whatever life-extension the organization people have.
Well, on that last speculation from you...maybe that's what part II will focus on: a reclamation of the continent that the living Claymore are on?
Quite possibly. We'll see!
Originally posted by Q99
Well the parasites aren't really immortal. They're an infection, and use up hosts.[QUOTE=13836943]Originally posted by Q99
[B]And maybe the Awakened Ones and such, which we've assumed to be immortal, really have a draconic life span. Or they and claymore benefit from whatever life-extension the organization people have.
Okay, yes, that could be true. That's what Rimuto may have meant when he said 200 years and that they do not grow old but only get stronger as they get older.
That would also explain why the Claymore seem to get stronger as they get older. they also seem to be immortal, iirc. They do not age...but they do grow up. They seem to stop aging at peak human development: around 20-30.
Originally posted by Q99
Quite possibly. We'll see!
I want this shit to hurry up NOOOOW! lol I don't want to wait. I hope they don't take off for like...4 months before they release their first part II chapter.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Okay, yes, that could be true. That's what Rimuto may have meant when he said 200 years and that they do not grow old but only get stronger as they get older.
You know it'd be ironic if the Organization guys owed all their immortality from research stolen from the dragon kin.
That would also explain why the Claymore seem to get stronger as they get older. they also seem to be immortal, iirc. They do not age...but they do grow up. They seem to stop aging at peak human development: around 20-30.
*Nods*
I want this shit to hurry up NOOOOW! lol I don't want to wait. I hope they don't take off for like...4 months before they release their first part II chapter.
That would suuuuck.
Originally posted by Q99
Claymore's back!And the new chapter is really, really clumsily translated!
But still, is back! (And not even as a sequel series even, just Claymore)
The translation is so horrible that I am quite confident I could have done better with Google translate.
I don't know what you mean as a "not even as a sequel series even, just Claymore" because it is a direct sequel picking up right where it left off.