Originally posted by MaxWham
This quote proofs nothing. Raven was called “Life of the force and Heart of the force” which according to your primitive logic puts him above being just Jedi/Sith. Palpatine accomplished more??????!!!!!???? Oh now I am really mad with your ignorance!!!He was still 60 y.o. when just had to wait for the destruction of the Trade Federation, to have a chance to give a simple Order 66 to clone troops to eliminate all the Jedi!!!And Mr. Revan had the entire Republic standing on its knees before him at 23 y.o.!
And Yoda lifting mountains - is this a joke or smth. ??? This is just another foolish speculation of some user with nick “Lightsnake” …
First off lightsnake is one of the most respected members on the boards. And Revan was called those by traya who was revan's former master and the narrator called yoda the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known. This is a canon statement and there has been nothing to suggest it isnt.
And Sidious did accomplish more since he actually was able to manipulate his way into being the supreme chancellor caused a major galactic war,managed to keep up public appearances,being next to the jedi former numerous periods of time all the while he was the arch-enemy of the jedi and oh wait revan never conquered the galaxy and Sidious did and ruled it. Sidious's strategy was a result of the rule of two and how the sith needed to work in secret and not expose themselves while taking over the galaxy and defeating the jedi oder. So yes Sidious DID accomplish more than revan.
And well said btw Escape
easily killed Terentateks
show me the proof of this because just you saying it with nothing to back it up is not enough.
and you want another combat feat of Yoda
He caused Count Dooku a highly powerful sith lord and the greatest Makashi duelist ever to live to flee from him and Yoda had thoughts against killing him on Vjun where the darkside of th eplanet further empowered Dooku similar in way to what the star forge did to malak.
"Slowly, slowly, Dooku gave way: and in the dark drunken air, Yoda was terrible to behold." this was stated in Rendevous
"Yoda's skill with a lightsaber was still second to none on the council." from Darth Maul shadow Hunter which is before TPM and the experience he gains in the clone wars
Yoda was also one of the greatest if not the greatest Ataru duelist ever while we know next to nothing about Revan's saber skill.
and he was also able to reflect Sidious's lightning without his lightsaber being active.
First, this “gospel” of yours only indicates on his position within the current Jedi Order, plus I want to see some of his accomplishments not some narrators words. Second if Palpy “”is diabolical genius who used the dark side of the Force and his unparalleled grasp of politics and psychology to ascend to the highest office in the Galactic Republic, orchestrated the most devastating war (up to that point in history), toppled the Jedi Order, and replaced the Republic with the most powerful military regime in galactic history””( beautiful words that mean nothing great), then Revan was individual that used his unmatched charisma instead of treachery and manipulation and real potential in the force to defeat Mandalorians that were near their triumph over the republic, and then He returned as a Darth Revan and was also near his triumph over republic and his plans were devastated by Malak. And then he being almost killed, had the strength to regain his power and to destroy Malaks/his own created armada. Sidious lost to Windu and won the war only due to his clones. He cheated not overpowered jedi, so shut up,ok? And don’t try to look veeery smart calling me Revan fanboy, its you who must admit that there are really strong characters outside your so much bellowed movies. And about Traya… she knew about Exar Kun,and still she was amazed by Revan beyond limits. P.S. And if you remember the mere spirit of Exar Kun nearly destroyed Luke, and he had to use agreeeeaaat support to defeat him.
Originally posted by MaxWham
Sidious lost to Windu and won the war only due to his clones. He cheated not overpowered jedi, so shut up,ok? And don’t try to look veeery smart calling me Revan fanboy, its you who must admit that there are really strong characters outside your so much bellowed movies. And about Traya… she knew about Exar Kun,and still she was amazed by Revan beyond limits. P.S. And if you remember the mere spirit of Exar Kun nearly destroyed Luke, and he had to use agreeeeaaat support to defeat him.
Ignoring the fanyboyism and telling us feats we already know
Sidious's lost is still debated amongst fans furthermore Mace has 2 key advantages one is shatterpoint and the other is vapaad which. And there strong characters outside the movies Revan,Bane,Caedus,Kyle Katarn,Exar Kun, Ragnos,Nihilus,Kyp Durron etc. Traya may have known about Exar Kun but there is nothing that shows us if she actually met him. And this mere spirit destroyed Ganatoris, chocked luke's pupils helped moved the suncrusher out of the yavin planet and he severed luke from his body and he attacked luke from behind and this Luke is not NJO Luke which kill Exar Kun 1v1. But Sidious and Luke are just better than them all
And have you read Darth Bane Rule of Two because the whole point of there being 2 sith is to get rid of the conflict amongst them. But it also rids the sith or having minions and there own armies. When Sidious became a sith lord he had nothing to his advantage other than that the sith were thought to be extinct,but he manipulated everyone and even the jedi and caused major conflicts.
Originally posted by MaxWham
And Canderous also stated that if Revan was Mandalorian NOTHING would stop them...And no he wasn’t on drugs (Canderous) while saying this...
which only speaks for his military tactical skills not his combat skills and Canderous is also 3rd party in universe character who spreads as much crap about Revan as any character does to someone else
Oh really guys don’t you all feel being … a little pathetic in your evidence? And by the way thanks for providing me with the notion that there is no actual proof that Yoda>>Revan Luke>>>Revan and so on... P.S. Don’t forget that Malak also was one of the greatest duelists of the old era, and during his final confrontation with Revan he had the whole power of the Star Forge behind him …quite more impressive than Dooku, you know…
Sidious had no minions yeah? Listen to your own words, ok? HE HAD THE WHOLE ARMADA OF CLONED Jango Fetts,didn't he???
Originally posted by MaxWham
First, this “gospel” of yours only indicates on his position within the current Jedi Order, plus I want to see some of his accomplishments not some narrators words.
Alas, this "gospel of mine" (the omniscient narrator of a G-canon source) states that Master Yoda is "the most powerful foe the darkness had ever known" -- and anyone with a fifth grade education level could point out that the "had ever known" phrase doesn't indicate the current Jedi Order. 😉
Second if Palpy “”is diabolical genius who used the dark side of the Force and his unparalleled grasp of politics and psychology to ascend to the highest office in the Galactic Republic, orchestrated the most devastating war (up to that point in history), toppled the Jedi Order, and replaced the Republic with the most powerful military regime in galactic history””( beautiful words that mean nothing great), then Revan was individual that used his unmatched charisma instead of treachery and manipulation and real potential in the force to defeat Mandalorians that were near their triumph over the republic, and then He returned as a Darth Revan and was also near his triumph over republic and his plans were devastated by Malak. And then he being almost killed, had the strength to regain his power and to destroy Malaks/his own created armada.
Alas, once again, you fail to establish anything important. All you've done is pointed out that Darth Revan came close to accomplishing his goals -- one could argue that he really didn't get that close, but I digress -- whereas Darth Sidious actually achieved his goals of galactic conquest.
In the end, all you've done is put a pro-Revan spin on a simple statement, turned it into a worthless diatribe, and still failed to make the point. Revan never achieved anything resembling total success.
Sidious lost to Windu and won the war only due to his clones. He cheated not overpowered jedi, so shut up,ok?
The specifics of the Emperor's defeat at the hands of Mace Windu have been well-covered by this forum. Suffice it to say that Vaapad (Windu's form) is tailor-made to overcome dark siders. Second, there is no such thing as 'cheating' in a ****ing war. Only preschool rejects carry such a notion. Welcome to reality.
And don’t try to look veeery smart calling me Revan fanboy, its you who must admit that there are really strong characters outside your so much bellowed movies. And about Traya… she knew about Exar Kun,and still she was amazed by Revan beyond limits. P.S. And if you remember the mere spirit of Exar Kun nearly destroyed Luke, and he had to use agreeeeaaat support to defeat him.
This is irrelevant. Not to mention that Kun's attack was aided by the powerful persona of Kyp Durron. So, once again, you fail to establish a point.
There's no point in continuing the argument, since you actually have no logic with which to wage it.
Come back when you've got something better.
Originally posted by MaxWham
Oh really guys don’t you all feel being … a little pathetic in your evidence? And by the way thanks for providing me with the notion that there is no actual proof that Yoda>>Revan Luke>>>Revan and so on... P.S. Don’t forget that Malak also was one of the greatest duelists of the old era, and during his final confrontation with Revan he had the whole power of the Star Forge behind him …quite more impressive than Dooku, you know…
Wow have you missed my very first post? I have provided posts of Yoda's known combat skills. Luke out dueled DE Sidious the most powerful sith lord ever. He defeated Jacen Solo, Shirrma the overlord of the vong,manipulated a black ,effortlessly killed Lumiya.
You definitely are a Revan fanboy to a degree that even surpasses Sw_legend. Sadly for you G-cannn>than your opinion better luck next time. 😉
Originally posted by MaxWhamSidious had no minions yeah? Listen to your own words, ok? HE HAD THE WHOLE ARMADA OF CLONED Jango Fetts,didn't he??? [/B]
Last I checked he couldn't use them fully to carry out what he wanted to until the time was right to initiate order 66. And they weren't all loyal to him and some even refused order 66. Plus he couldn't just send them out against the jedi from the gecko because then he would have been tried for treason.
Originally posted by MaxWham
By the way... Rule of Two was Revans idea, and it tells that if Sith Master will teach more than one apprentice he is a fool, it doesn’t say however that he can’t have other military units and dark side acolytes.
read the book rule of two and you know what im talking about.
Ok : maybe Star Forge powered Malak = DE Sidious, Shimrra (not Shirrma lol) = Mandalore The Ultimate and Jacen = Yusanis ?
And no I am not Revan fanboy to a degree that even surpasses Sw_legend, I’am just providing you with evidence that you cannot argue with. And why you can’t admit that all this G-canon, that >my opinion only takes in consideration new Jedi Council history??!!
Palpatin did nothing, but trying to run away from Yoda 🙂, all his dirty job was done by clones.
Yeah,yeah Bane’s idea right…It was also his idea to use Thought Bomb to eliminate The Brotherhood of Darkness, right?….no…🙂
Originally posted by MaxWham
Ok : maybe Star Forge powered Malak = DE Sidious, Shimrra (not Shirrma lol) = Mandalore The Ultimate and Jacen = Yusanis ?
lmao DE Sidious tears Malak apart and Jacen pwns Yusanis and Shimrra can defeat madarlore the utlimate. And do you know what all these battles have in common? We know nothing about the actual fight other than the ending. Revan could have been losing them all for all you know and managed to get in a quick to stab or something similar to the sort. And even stating SF Malak=DE Sidious is more fanyboyism the Legend showed.
And why you can’t admit that all this G-canon, that >my opinion only takes in consideration new Jedi Council history??!!
Because as I have stated the quote I have provided came after kotor was made. If they only intended it to refer to a specific time period it would but guess what it says the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known.
Seriously guys, why even respond? At this point we know he's not interested in actually debating, hell, he doesn't even seem all that interested in typing up proper responses. If you want to keep out the everyday troll , then they have to be ignored. Besides, everyone here has already handed him his ass anyway.