Both are very powerful. Malak was #2 in an order of tens of thousands, but Vader, even as a suit, was no slouch with a saber. That's an interesting one to call..
In a force fight, Malak would win if he is able to utilize his force lightning. He was described as a very powerful force user. However, Vader has mastered the force to a higher degree. Provided there is no force lightning, Vader wins.
In an all out fight, Vader seems to be the smarter fighter. Better tactics, better combat prowess. He wins.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
However, Vader has mastered the force to a higher degree. Provided there is no force lightning, Vader wins.
I have not seen Vader generating Force Lightning, Chain Lightning, Force Whirlwind and Force Drain.
Malak had higher mastery in the Force.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
In an all out fight, Vader seems to be the smarter fighter. Better tactics, better combat prowess. He wins.
Originally posted by Gideon
Because he can generate Force lightning and Vader can't? I guess Mighella, the random Nightsister that Darth Maul pwned is stronger than Vader too? Yeah right.My fanboy detector just went off; you need to stop this, dude. It kills me when you're this obtuse.
What you failed to note in this case is that Malak's command on Force Lightning was "exceptional" and superior to that of the Nightsister that Maul pwned.
And then he could perform techniques that Vader could not or had not. These things do matter when you discuss 1 vs 1 fighting scenarios.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Too bad Chain lightning, force whirlwind and all that crap are non-canon game moves.
And generation of a Force Whirlwind is described as a Force feat of Malak in DSSB.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDHow can you say he couldnt? He is 80% the strength of the most powerful sith lord, studied the dark side for decades under palpatine. And vader has performed techniques that malak has yet to demonstrate
How can you say that Vader had mastered Force to a high degree?
Im pretty sure even the ancient sith saluted vader when they built his throne on korriban along side the deceased ancient sith lords
Dont expect a reply soon legend if you respond, im in alot of shit IRL at the moment so it may take a while
Originally posted by Darth SexyWell it depends who strikes first sexy, if malak strikes with lightning before vader does anything, its a garentee vader goes down, But what if vader strikes with his force crush which was strong enough to destroy an entire medical room when he was merely unhappy and displeased? Then vader would be the victor right?
In a force fight, Malak would win if he is able to utilize his force lightning. He was described as a very powerful force user. However, Vader has mastered the force to a higher degree. Provided there is no force lightning, Vader wins.
Btw was it stated that vader couldnt block lightning with force techniques? Because shadows of the empire novel indicated he could use the force to deflect blaster bolts and that technique could be the same as yoda who used it to block palpatines lightning.
I just need a confirmation from anybody about this matter, thank you
Timing is critical in this situation
Originally posted by Manslayer
Well it depends who strikes first sexy, if malak strikes with lightning before vader does anything, its a garentee vader goes down, But what if vader strikes with his force crush which was strong enough to destroy an entire medical room when he was merely unhappy and displeased? Then vader would be the victor right?
Btw was it stated that vader couldnt block lightning with force techniques? Because shadows of the empire novel indicated he could use the force to deflect blaster bolts and that technique could be the same as yoda who used it to block palpatines lightning.I just need a confirmation from anybody about this matter, thank you
Timing is critical in this situation
If this is RotJ Vader
a)Vader- Malak hasn't shown anything other than being called a skilled duelist, Vader was one of the best duelists ever.
b)Malak- he kills him with force lightning
c)Malak- again, force lightning wins it
If this is RotS Vader
a)Vader
b)Malak- Vader hasn't shown much skill to this point
c)Vader- His dueling skills overcome Malak's force mastery
And you need to stop hyping up PT period characters all the time.
At the rate you're heading, that isn't going to happen. I make it a personal habit to remind you of the KotoR era's inferiority every time you attempt to exaggerate its greatness; that's how it's always going to be until you accept it and move on.
What you failed to note in this case is that Malak's command on Force Lightning was "exceptional" and superior to that of the Nightsister that Maul pwned.
Malak's command of Force lightning was exceptional? I would appreciate the source. Furthermore, substantiate exceptional. Obi-Wan Kenobi was able to repel Force lightning from Count Dooku -- who was, according to G-canon one of the very most powerful Jedi Masters in the Jedi Order's twenty-five thousand year history and an even stronger Sith Lord -- with just his lightsaber, and without too much difficulty. Vader, who is physically stronger than Kenobi and stronger in the Force, would suddenly be destroyed by someone inferior to Dooku? Doubt it.
And then he could perform techniques that Vader could not or had not. These things do matter when you discuss 1 vs 1 fighting scenarios.
I could just as well say that Vader will crush Malak's lightsaber and do the same to his windpipe.
S_W_LeGenD...
One limitation that Vader possesses and that Malak doesn't says nothing about who's mastered the force to the higher degree, seeing as it has no relation on his other abilities, such as TK, which Vader has displayed with far more mastery than Malak has for any technique (such as when he chokes that Imperial to death while lightyears away from him).
It would be like saying that Yoda or Mace Windu could never master the lightsaber to the degree that Grievous has simply because they only possess two arms and not four (a limitation, so to speak) and therefor can't ever naturally wield four sabers. Sounds silly, doesn't it? It's parallel to what you're saying.
This is close, which Vader is this? If it's ROTS Vader then:
a. Vader wins. Very few people could beat Vader in a saber duel.
b. ???
c. Vader.
If it's OT Vader then:
a. ???
b. Malak, though only because of lightning.
c. Not sure. With his saber, Vader can block lightning, so then he'd be above Malak with the Force. This is close.
Originally posted by tulakhordpwnsThats because he was using his emotions, not a force technique, the amount of damage he can do with that technique would be even greater than just using his emotions
That was very uncontrolled, and it took Vader a little while to do it.
Originally posted by tulakhordpwnsIf the force user has force shield technique which malak has yet to demonstrate
And a strong force user would be able to at least partially block the crush.
Originally posted by tulakhordpwnsHe was not focusing ALL of his anger on sidious alone, besides vader can never harm sidious weather he uses a technique or notI think Sidious was in the room when it was crushed, he obviously was not killed.
Originally posted by tulakhordpwnsWell the lightning doesnt directly touch yodas hand when he dissipates it and im sure he used that same technique to deflect a bolt shot by a yinchorri in acts of war.
In I, Jedi it is shown that Corran Horn uses the force to absorb the energy from blaster bolts and shoot it back at people, so that is probably what Vader did. While this technique might work on lightning, it would still result in Vader's electronic parts being destroyed.
Anyways its not like vader doesnt have a lightsaber to block it
Originally posted by tulakhordpwnsAgreeable, though i think malak may beat him in a saber duel though there is nothing to back it up so vader wins this
If this is RotJ Vader
a)Vader- Malak hasn't shown anything other than being called a skilled duelist, Vader was one of the best duelists ever.
Originally posted by tulakhordpwnsAnd vader can kill him with a force crush which completely immobalises malaks body movement. In a pure force fight, timing is critical, malak strikes first then malak wins BUT if vader strikes with his crush, then he is likely to win.
b)Malak- he kills him with force lightning
Timing is critical friend. And going by your logic R2D2 will annihilate vader because he has an electric zapper.
Originally posted by tulakhordpwnsI guess you forgot vader has a lightsaber in this fight, Again vaders a smart fighter and admist the duel he can use the sorroundings to his advantage.c)Malak- again, force lightning wins it
The fight wont be easy for vader but he will win it given his force mastery, skill in the force and lightsaber skills
Originally posted by tulakhordpwnsAgreed
If this is RotS Vader
a)Vader
b)Malak- Vader hasn't shown much skill to this point
c)Vader- His dueling skills overcome Malak's force mastery
Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader
Originally posted by Spartan 063
the fight occurs on a neutral planet with the two of them starting 30 feet from one anotherwho wins.
how would the two compare in:
a. saber fight
b. force fight
c. all out fight
In case of ROTS Vader vs Malak:
a. Vader
b. Malak
c. 50 / 50 chances for both
NOTE: (for point c)
If Vader forces Saber duel on Malak and keeps pressure on him, then he can win.
OR
If Malak manages to immobilize Vader quickly and early on in the duel with his impressive Force Mastery, then he can win.
In case of OT Vader vs Malak:
a. Malak
b. 50 / 50 chances for both
c. Malak have higher chances to win in this case
NOTE: (for point b)
It depends upon the factor that who strikes first.
NOTE: (for point c)
Malak is the better duelist in this case. He is physically strong and also more agile then OT Vader and his Force Mastery is also exceptional. He have higher chances to defeat OT Vader in an all out fight.
Originally posted by Proteus
S_W_LeGenD...One limitation that Vader possesses and that Malak doesn't says nothing about who's mastered the force to the higher degree, seeing as it has no relation on his other abilities, such as TK, which Vader has displayed with far more mastery than Malak has for any technique (such as when he chokes that Imperial to death while lightyears away from him).