Originally posted by Kutulu
Superman 4 wasn't in continuity with Superman Returns, and Superman 1 & 2. Which is to say, the whole thing is damn confusing.Anyway movie Superman for the win.
i thought superman 1-4 were all in continuity?
anyway, any move superman would win. he could pull some crazy power out off his ass if he needed to to win.
😆
move superman is basically just like pre-crissis superman.
with the power to pull any power from his ass to win 😆
Originally posted by gogogadgetgoprecrisis wouldnt strugle to hold a truck from knocking him around.
i thought superman 1-4 were all in continuity?anyway, any move superman would win. he could pull some crazy power out off his ass if he needed to to win.
😆
move superman is basically just like pre-crissis superman.
with the power to pull any power from his ass to win 😆
Originally posted by quanchi112
precrisis wouldnt strugle to hold a truck from knocking him around.
True, but you have to realize (which i am sure you do) that in both comics and movies the writers do have the characters doing all sorts of stupid stuff (more like Writer-induced stupidity). For instance in one of the Superman movies the lady Kryptonian felt pain when she was struck by a snake, yet it is evident by everything else she did that she should have been invulnerable to the strike.
Writers do all sorts of stupid things, and this is not limited to the movies. In comics you will notice all sorts of sheer lunacy on the part of the writers.
And when you are looking at feats you have to look at the entire set. E.g., you cannot just look at him struggling to hold a truck (I do not remember that part, but I will take your word for it) and ignore him tearing through the earth's crust, stopping a falling jumbo jet, lifting a kryptonite-laden land mass, or any of the LARGE number of feats that Superman did.
It would be ludicrous to ignore all that and simply state that he cannot be that strong because a bus gave him trouble. Those are straight instances of writers failing to do their homework (e.g. the Kryptonian lady feeling a snakebite - maybe she forgot she was invulnerable, or maybe the snake had kryptonite fangs - and then proceeding to burn the snake with heat vision. A sagacious writer would not even have included that scene, because - with proper writing- the lady would not even have FELT the bite)
Furthermore you have to realize that the movie Superman was written as the Pre-Crisis type Superman.
Anyways, you can decide to focus on one particular aspect in a movie or a comic book. But it has to be contrasted against the entire gamut available.
And I am sure you know that.
Originally posted by spetznazi do take everything into account. but things like manholes and thathurt him. if usrfer gets some blasts in and doesnt go off the board he wins. if supes takes him off the board supes wins. but i see surfer winning slight majority befpre that happen.
True, but you have to realize (which i am sure you do) that in both comics and movies the writers do have the characters doing all sorts of stupid stuff (more like Writer-induced stupidity). For instance in one of the Superman movies the lady Kryptonian felt pain when she was struck by a snake, yet it is evident by everything else she did that she should have been invulnerable to the strike.Writers do all sorts of stupid things, and this is not limited to the movies. In comics you will notice all sorts of sheer lunacy on the part of the writers.
And when you are looking at feats you have to look at the entire set. E.g., you cannot just look at him struggling to hold a truck (I do not remember that part, but I will take your word for it) and ignore him tearing through the earth's crust, stopping a falling jumbo jet, lifting a kryptonite-laden land mass, or any of the LARGE number of feats that Superman did.
It would be ludicrous to ignore all that and simply state that he cannot be that strong because a bus gave him trouble. Those are straight instances of writers failing to do their homework (e.g. the Kryptonian lady feeling a snakebite - maybe she forgot she was invulnerable, or maybe the snake had kryptonite fangs - and then proceeding to burn the snake with heat vision. A sagacious writer would not even have included that scene, because - with proper writing- the lady would not even have FELT the bite)
Furthermore you have to realize that the movie Superman was written as the Pre-Crisis type Superman.
Anyways, you can decide to focus on one particular aspect in a movie or a comic book. But it has to be contrasted against the entire gamut available.
And I am sure you know that.
Originally posted by rotiart
In the movie, all of surfer's powers came from the board...So once superman lands a good haymaker or pulls off some crazy manuever that gets silver surfer off the board, fights over...
However, if he can't... surfers mere presence wrecked cosmic radiation all over the place, he'd most likely beat superman in the powers department..
i find it more likely surfer gets separated from the board however... so superman for the win.
Notice how he only messed with the Fantastic Four and Dooms
powers...
Do you know why? Silver Surfer controls the power cosmic.
The Fantastic Four and Doom owe their powers to the power
cosmic. See the connection?
Superman did not get his powers from cosmic rays, thus he
will not be affected by the power swap ability that the surfer seems
so fond of.
So by superior feats any movie version of Superman wins this (live action).
Originally posted by quanchi112
i do take everything into account. but things like manholes and thathurt him. if usrfer gets some blasts in and doesnt go off the board he wins. if supes takes him off the board supes wins. but i see surfer winning slight majority befpre that happen.
You do realize that Reeves superman turned back time under his
own speed right.
In Returns he lifted an Island while poisoned and half dead.
And Doom with surfers powers got run over by Reeds flying Dodge Hemi...
See the difference?
Originally posted by Sirius77
You do realize that Reeves superman turned back time under his
own speed right.In Returns he lifted an Island while poisoned and half dead.
And Doom with surfers powers got run over by Reeds flying Dodge Hemi...
See the difference?
Originally posted by Sirius77
When he was on an Island made of Kryptonite
that he lifted and threw into space a few minutes
afterwards.You "forgot" to mention that part.
Surfer didn't do anything that impressive that puts him above supes in the movies.. Supes wins quite easily.