Originally posted by spetznazI tend to agree.
However looking at his other feats it is easy to see that SM is at pre-crisis levels. To the extent that he can even control time (The movie Silver Surfer on the other hand is no where near his low-level comicbook levels, let alone his normal/better showings).
I think movie Superman takes this.
Movie Silver Surfer would easily win. He has matter transmutation, intagibility, and is faster than Movie superman. Movie superman took a while to catch up to an airplane and save it. Not to mention Surfer actually fought somebody- supes fought a green rock. Also Surfer was able to "kamikaze" Galactus's storm though it really shouldn't be considered a kamikaze since he lived through it. Also Surfer was able to create giant holes in the earth with ease because of Galactus's hunger. Not to mention movie superman is nowhere near as intelligent as movie reed and doom so he wouldn't be able to find that way to disconnect surfer from his board, much less even know that most of surfer's power came from the board.
Originally posted by Magee
lol there is no post crisis in the movies. Superman returns is in continuity with both Superman 1 and 2 and is generaly accepted as a sequel. So with that Superman turns back time and SS isnt even on earth any more. Win.
Duh there is no post-crisis in the movies. Said movies are just a parallel of the comics. Hence the "movie superman" and "movie surfer" tags.
It seems to me that people claim that the earlier SM movies were based on the character and powersets of the pre-crisis superman, and that is true. So, it is only logical that Superman Returns is based on the superman as of last year -- post-crisis. Sequel or not, I would bet that the producers and scriptwriters didn't base the movie on pre-crisis superman.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Duh there is no post-crisis in the movies. Said movies are just a parallel of the comics. Hence the "movie superman" and "movie surfer" tags.It seems to me that people claim that the earlier SM movies were based on the character and powersets of the pre-crisis superman, and that is true. So, it is only logical that Superman Returns is based on the superman as of last year -- post-crisis. Sequel or not, I would bet that the producers and scriptwriters didn't base the movie on pre-crisis superman.
They based it on the Chris Reeves character hence a "sequel". That's correct no crisis has taken place in the movies so he remains based on Superman from the 70's which is prcrisis.
Let me put it differently then. I know that superman in SR is based on the original movie's which means pre-crisis. I am also willing to bet that audience's suspension of belief for plot-device powers is much lower today than 30 years ago. Thus, superman can be based on pre-crisis levels, but he will never exhibit such a high level in the movies because that would be storytelling suicide. Along the same lines, post-crisis superman is more catered to today's audiences, and the level of feats fall more in line with that, some minor differences (bio-aura?) nonwithstanding.
It is guaranteed that going back in time in a movie today by going really fast is going to book the movie a marquee place on Ebert's sequel to "Your Movie Sucks".