Sephiroth & Ganon vs Kefka & Vergil

Originally posted by lightness
it's a fact that vergil could have killed dante but left him their, and he looked bored.

i didn't see a video showcasing anything spectacular compared to vergil

skill:vergil stoped ever drop of raindrop and formed a dome while fighting dante. plus vergil has more animeish fantasy sword cuts. pretty much all his sword cuts look extended/longer than his sword

speed: i don't see seph being able to dissapear everywhere like vergil did. vergil's faster than dante who can run faster than bullets

strength-vergil casually knocked a giant demon in the air and cut him in half with a kick. seph has never shown to be able to throw something that big and cut without his sword.

reflexes: already covered in skill/speed.

Vergils sword cuts are nothing compared to Sephiroths, Sephiroths slashes take down buildings and cuts through anything.

Throughout FFVII Sephiroth teleports anywhere he likes, appearing through the ground, through walls, in KH he teleports everywhere as he fights, slashes like 30 times in an instant, Sephiroth can also fly

We don't know the true strength of Sephiroth but he takes down buildings with his mind alone

Sephiroth was stated strongest FF7 character... this fight would depend on which version of him. Pre-Merging with Jenova form was god like being the best mortal soldier (Last Order fight and Crisis Core fight) but merged form (Seraph / Bizzaro) is probably too much... then again the game was inconsistant with showings of abilities (Super nova.... multiple times?!?!?!? wtf?)

If this were to actually take place in a game Sephiroths team would win cause Square Enix feels it has to please as many people as possible rather than going with consistancy and Sephiroth having a much larger fan base than pretty much any of the others (rated in 2005 best buy guy ever) they would make him win regardless of what would really happen (not to say he wouldnt or would)

Seraph Bizzaro is not Safer Sephiroth, Safer Sephiroth is the one that used Super Nova (The one with lots of wings and a few Halo like things)

Seraph Bizzaro is the one where you make teams to fight him on different sides

I was saying Bizzaro Sephiroth OR Safer Sephiroth...

I know about them... Bizzaro is also nigh indestructable without allies.

Sephiroth (Jenova merged) was also stated stronger than Kefka by a famitsu mag article.

Top 3 Final fantasy strongest final fantasy bad guys were:
Time Compressed Ultimacia
Tranced Kuja
Jenova merged Sephiroth

Oh, okay, sorry, all the brackets confused me a little ^-^

Is that the top strongest in order?

I hate Ultimacia and not in that she's a villain hate but that she was a horrible character. They had a well developed villain in Edea and they threw her away at the beginning of disc 3 for that useless crap.

Kefka

What about him?

Kefka in a massive curbstomp. I don't even think Gouki can beat him.

Originally posted by Remindme
Choose not to finish someone off and going easy on someone are two completely different things.

Wow, cutting water is your reasoning as to having more skill.....are you insane? Sephiroth clearly shows more skill in the video i posted, you failed to prove anything. Sephiroth blade beam cut through the Junon Cannon without losing any of it's power, and in AC he cuts through buildings

Run faster than bullet without time manipulation? show me a video and i'll believe you, till then you have no evidence. In KH Sephiroth Spam teleports. in FFVII we see Sephiroth fly and go through walls.

Giant demon, how big is giant?. Sephiroth impaled a serpant over 100ft with a tree in FFVII

dante caught his sword while speeding it up with a bullet to the point it just burned up the atmosphere.

they stopped every raindrop while countering each other's blows, and vergil did more blows without trying and created a dome. not cut water. not to mention vergil killed a reaper by stabbing it's shadow.

vergil's cut down monsters who can really tear down buildings and probably cut down building sized devils in his life(dante's down it and you know vergil's capable). and dante destroyed a building in the anime just when clashing blows with someone and powering up.

you really think that someone who can destroy giant devils with rock hard skin is incapable of cutting through a building with gameplay mechanics removed?

Originally posted by lightness
dante caught his sword while speeding it up with a bullet to the point it just burned up the atmosphere.

they stopped every raindrop while countering each other's blows, and vergil did more blows without trying and created a dome. not cut water. not to mention vergil killed a reaper by stabbing it's shadow.

vergil's cut down monsters who can really tear down buildings and probably cut down building sized devils in his life(dante's down it and you know vergil's capable). and dante destroyed a building in the anime just when clashing blows with someone and powering up.

you really think that someone who can destroy giant devils with rock hard skin is incapable of cutting through a building with gameplay mechanics removed?

Caught it? they were falling? and there was no time manipulation

Proably because of Dante's meat cleaver of a sword. If you see the sparks of where their blades meet it is much much slower than how fast Cloud fought Sephiroth in AC, and Sephiroth was TOYING AROUND, can't you understand? Sephiroth > Virgil in every aspect beside regeneration, and in this fight, thats off. I don't understand what the reaper thing has to do with your point.

In FFVII you play back through a memory, an rector is acting up and produces monsters, the first one is a dragon, Sephiroth two shots it, and takes 0 damage from it. All the enemies you encounter, he uses one spell, it's over. Sephiroth pulled down a huge section of a building by thought alone.

Either post a video showing us something i haven't seen, something that undeniably puts Virgil ahead, or quit trying, it's becoming tiresome

Sephiroth is greater than Vergil...but not by a whole lot. Just IMO.

Meh to each their own.

I think Sephiroth is leagues above Vergil. He's just below Genesis level, which in my book is way below Sephiroth's

Originally posted by lightness
dante caught his sword while speeding it up with a bullet to the point it just burned up the atmosphere.

they stopped every raindrop while countering each other's blows, and vergil did more blows without trying and created a dome. not cut water. not to mention vergil killed a reaper by stabbing it's shadow.

vergil's cut down monsters who can really tear down buildings and probably cut down building sized devils in his life(dante's down it and you know vergil's capable). and dante destroyed a building in the anime just when clashing blows with someone and powering up.

you really think that someone who can destroy giant devils with rock hard skin is incapable of cutting through a building with gameplay mechanics removed?

So I can't find this "stopping every raindrop" feat, unless it was done during gameplay, can you provide a link to the vid?

Also if your going by things done during gameplay as feats, Sephiroth is capable of doing extraodinary things, like take down planets in his Safer form

Originally posted by Remindme
Caught it? they were falling? and there was no time manipulation

Proably because of Dante's meat cleaver of a sword. If you see the sparks of where their blades meet it is much much slower than how fast Cloud fought Sephiroth in AC, and Sephiroth was TOYING AROUND, can't you understand? Sephiroth > Virgil in every aspect beside regeneration, and in this fight, thats off. I don't understand what the reaper thing has to do with your point.

In FFVII you play back through a memory, an rector is acting up and produces monsters, the first one is a dragon, Sephiroth two shots it, and takes 0 damage from it. All the enemies you encounter, he uses one spell, it's over. Sephiroth pulled down a huge section of a building by thought alone.

Either post a video showing us something i haven't seen, something that undeniably puts Virgil ahead, or quit trying, it's becoming tiresome

ok lets see

1.dante was running down the building and accelerating himself.

2. i already know seph toyed around with cloud, and it doesn't change the fact that he lost multiple times. vergil was looking bored when he was fighting dante the first time and pretty much toying.

if you can toy with someone and still win, it's impressive. when you do and lose, it's not that much to be happy about.

3. you can hear sounds in ac, as well as see their swords clash. and being able to teleport all around>jumping around in speed. the fact that their swords were so fast that they formed a dome and they were pretty much extended beyond normal lengths shows that it was faster.

4. vergil killed beowulf effortlessly without touching him after he gave dante problems.

Originally posted by Remindme
Meh to each their own.

I think Sephiroth is leagues above Vergil. He's just below Genesis level, which in my book is way below Sephiroth's

i think that was the intro, so just search for dmc3 intro or something.

the planet destroying is probably more of an illusion, as he would have killed himself if he really did. and it took a hell of a long time.

^ alright so i saw the vid, and it sure didn't looked like they were stopping every single raindrop, the dome was created because of the impact when they clashed swords, and can be visible because of the rain, which isnt as impressive as ur trying to make it out to be.

Originally posted by lightness
i think that was the intro, so just search for dmc3 intro or something.

the planet destroying is probably more of an illusion, as he would have killed himself if he really did. and it took a hell of a long time.

Theres never been any illusion attacks in FFVII, the summon isnt realistic because it is done in gameplay, like small cactus creatures surviving huge bahamut blasts, or Titan lifting and flipping thin air when the battle isn't on ground, or Neo Bahamut elevating a chunk of land, then disintegrating it, and then that land reappearing and getting disintegrated again when summoned again

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