Magneto vs Superboy-Prime!!

Originally posted by carver9
Do you know why vulcan completed that feat because he was flying through space.

And apparently because he's faster than light.

Originally posted by carver9
I bet he cant go near as fast on earth.

I bet you have no on-panel evidence to prove that claim.

And as long as you keep peddling that bullshit, don't ever claim that any character can go FTL unless you have them doing so while on Earth.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way on those scan that you put up about superboy prime, can you show me where it says that superboy exceeded the speed of light anywhere, or is it just your assumption to add more to a comic book.

It's called common sense, and it seems to be something that you lack.

He flew to the center of the Universe in seconds/minutes. If you're not a complete dumbass you should be able to conclude that he had to be moving FTL in order to achieve that.

Originally posted by carver9
It was on panel that he was going the speed of light

He said he was going to fly though Oa at the speed of light.

It's likely that in order for a new big bang to occur he has to fly through Oa at the speed of light and not faster.

Originally posted by carver9
show me on panel feats that is saying that he was going faster.

So according to you Superman can travel FLT in space, Prime could only travel at the speed of light, and yet somehow Superman isn’t as fast as Prime?

Well, anyway. Most of us here are smart enough to figure out that in order to fly light-years in a matter of seconds you have to be faster than light.

Originally posted by Rorschach
And apparently because he's faster than light.

I bet you have no on-panel evidence to prove that claim.

And as long as you keep peddling that bullshit, don't ever claim that any character can go FTL unless you have them doing so while on Earth.

It's called common sense, and it seems to be something that you lack.

He flew to the center of the Universe in seconds/minutes. If you're not a complete dumbass you should be able to conclude that he had to be moving FTL in order to achieve that.

He said he was going to fly though Oa at the speed of light.

It's likely that in order for a new big bang to occur he has to fly through Oa at the speed of light and not faster.

So according to you Superman can travel FLT in space, Prime could only travel at the speed of light, and yet somehow Superman isn’t as fast as Prime?

Well, anyway. Most of us here are smart enough to figure out that in order to fly light-years in a matter of seconds you have to be faster than light.

I know that superboy prime can achieve faster than light speed in space but I want you to stop putting words in comics mouths. Theres no on panel feat that states superman can move faster than light but you say that he can. Now youre saying that vulcan can move faster than light because he traveled great distance IN SPACE, and we both know that he dont have that kind of speed.

Im not disclaiming the fact that superboy cant go faster than light, whoever know superboy prime knows that he can go that fast, what i want you to understand is that things that happen in comics isnt always based on caculation. They wont sit there and draw a being flying through space and take up like 8 panels when you can just shortened it down to one or two panels. Thats why i ask you for saying instead of assumptions because thats all you all have been giving was assumption. Its not in vulcan powers to go waaaaaaaaaaay faster than the speed of light, it was just space helping him move at those tremendous speed because there isnt any gravity pull.

Its a comic but on panel feats and writers say otherwise about superman speed. Its just fans that says different.

Originally posted by carver9
I know that superboy prime can achieve faster than light speed in space but I want you to stop putting words in comics mouths.

I'm not putting words in comics. I'm telling you that in order to reach a destination in less time that it takes light to reach it, you have to be faster than light.

Originally posted by carver9
Theres no on panel feat that states superman can move faster than light but you say that he can.

But there are on-panel feats that show us that he is faster than light. And once again it was said that Superman can race a photon to it's target and photons move at the speed of light. There's also him moving at the speed of light to escape a black hole, which you keep ignoring.

Originally posted by carver9
Now youre saying that vulcan can move faster than light because he traveled great distance IN SPACE

Right, he was traveling faster than light.

Originally posted by carver9
and we both know that he dont have that kind of speed.

Unlike you, I'm not a dumbass.

Originally posted by carver9
Im not disclaiming the fact that superboy cant go faster than light, whoever know superboy prime knows that he can go that fast, what i want you to understand is that things that happen in comics isnt always based on caculation.

Physics still apply.

Originally posted by carver9
They wont sit there and draw a being flying through space and take up like 8 panels when you can just shortened it down to one or two panels.

They don't have to.

Simply stating the time taken in one panel is enough.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats why i ask you for saying instead of assumptions because thats all you all have been giving was assumption.

It's common sense. In order to reach a destination in less time than it would take light to reach that same destination, you have to be moving faster than light.

Originally posted by carver9
Its not in vulcan powers to go waaaaaaaaaaay faster than the speed of light, it was just space helping him move at those tremendous speed because there isnt any gravity pull.

People don’t magically start going FTL just because their in space. They do start to accelerate but no everyone’s going to reach light-speed. Supergirl was only flying at 99.8% the speed of light, while in Space.

Superman can fly light-years in minutes.

And if you keep bringing this shit up, don't ever start claiming Gladiator is faster than light when all you can provide is a scan of him moving near the speed of light while on Earth.

Originally posted by carver9
Its a comic but on panel feats and writers say otherwise about superman speed.

Superman has on-panel feats that put him above light-speed. There are writers who think Superman can beat Galactus. Stop bringing up what writers have said during interviews unless you're also read to accept that Superman can beat Galactus.

And at least provide some links to these supposed interviews.

Originally posted by carver9
Its just fans that says different.

You and Phenomenal are pretty much the only people on KMC that believe Superman isn’t FTL.

Originally posted by Rorschach
I'm not putting words in comics. I'm telling you that in order to reach a destination in less time that it takes light to reach it, you have to be faster than light.

But there are on-panel feats that show us that he is faster than light. And once again it was said that Superman can race a photon to it's target and photons move at the speed of light. There's also him moving at the speed of light to escape a black hole, which you keep ignoring.

Right, he was traveling faster than light.

Unlike you, I'm not a dumbass.

Physics still apply.

They don't have to.

Simply stating the time taken in one panel is enough.

It's common sense. In order to reach a destination in less time than it would take light to reach that same destination, you have to be moving faster than light.

People don’t magically start going FTL just because their in space. They do start to accelerate but no everyone’s going to reach light-speed. Supergirl was only flying at 99.8% the speed of light, while in Space.

Superman can fly light-years in minutes.

And if you keep bringing this shit up, don't ever start claiming Gladiator is faster than light when all you can provide is a scan of him moving [B]near the speed of light while on Earth.

Superman has on-panel feats that put him above light-speed. There are writers who think Superman can beat Galactus. Stop bringing up what writers have said during interviews unless you're also read to accept that Superman can beat Galactus.

And at least provide some links to these supposed interviews.

You and Phenomenal are pretty much the only people on KMC that believe Superman isn’t FTL. [/B]

youre a funny guy you know that. You insult but I cant help but laugh at it because of the way you say it. Me and you have been debating this same thing for about 3 months now and I still have yet to change your mind.

Answer this for me, if superman was so faster than light, when he was racing to save a bunch of soldiers in superman for tomorrow book, why did he say that he wasnt fast enough to stop the bullets which led to the soldiers dying.

Sentry flew from earth to the sun in seconds but it has been clocked that he can only go super sonic speed. http://en.marveldatabase.com/Sentry_%28Robert_Reynolds%29

It has been stated on panel that hulk can move at up to 3000 mph but have we yet to see it. So why bring up about a photon when superman havent displayed anything close to it yet.

There are writers who think that hulk can beat thanos but that dont take away from the fact that if HULK writer had thanos in his book and HULK WRITER wanted hulk to beat thanos and it happened, then thats the writers perception of hulk. Just like superman writers dont believe that he can go that fast, so if they dont think that he can go that fast until they find another writer that thinks otherwise, it will never happen.

unless you think magneto can also go light speed.
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Magneto_%28Magnus%29

Originally posted by carver9
Me and you have been debating this same thing for about 3 months now and I still have yet to change your mind.

Because you're wrong and I'm right.

Originally posted by carver9
Answer this for me, if superman was so faster than light, when he was racing to save a bunch of soldiers in superman for tomorrow book, why did he say that he wasnt fast enough to stop the bullets which led to the soldiers dying.

He said that sometimes being faster than a speeding bullet wasn't enough. Keyword sometimes.

You seem to only be using a few of Superman's low showings in order to discredit his speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Sentry flew from earth to the sun in seconds

The time taken was never stated, though it did seem to only take him a few seconds.

Originally posted by carver9
but it has been clocked that he can only go super sonic speed. http://en.marveldatabase.com/Sentry_%28Robert_Reynolds%29

That's an online bio. Show me a scan from a comic book where he says or someone else says he can't hit light-speed.

It also says on that site he can move much faster than supersonic speeds, it doesn't say that's his limit.

Originally posted by carver9
It has been stated on panel that hulk can move at up to 3000 mph but have we yet to see it.

And you know this because you've read every comic that the Hulk has appeared in?

Originally posted by carver9
[B]So why bring up about a photon when superman havent displayed anything close to it yet.

Flying light-years in minutes.

Originally posted by carver9
[B]There are writers who think that hulk can beat thanos but that dont take away from the fact that if HULK writer had thanos in his book and HULK WRITER wanted hulk to beat thanos and it happened, then thats the writers perception of hulk.

It's called PIS.

Originally posted by carver9
[B]Just like superman writers dont believe that he can go that fast, so if they dont think that he can go that fast until they find another writer that thinks otherwise, it will never happen.

At least provide links to these interviews. Not that they matter over on-panel showings but just to make sure that this is not more of your bullshit.

Joe Casey says Superman has no limits, and that he can beat Juggernaut, Imperirex, Juggernaut, etc.

But that doesn't amount to shit since we go by on-panel showings and not what writers say during interviews.

Originally posted by carver9
unless you think magneto can also go light speed.
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Magneto_%28Magnus%29

That's from an online bio. Provide something from a comic.

anti-gravity field about himself and propelling himself thusly

It says he can propel himself at trans-light speeds. Doesn't mean he can react and truly manuver at those speeds.

I'll let Batdude handle this since he's the Magneto expert.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Because you're wrong and I'm right.

He said that sometimes being faster than a speeding bullet wasn't enough. Keyword [B]sometimes.

You seem to only be using a few of Superman's low showings in order to discredit his speed.

The time taken was never stated, though it did seem to only take him a few seconds.

That's an online bio. Show me a scan from a comic book where he says or someone else says he can't hit light-speed.

It also says on that site he can move much faster than supersonic speeds, it doesn't say that's his limit.

And you know this because you've read every comic that the Hulk has appeared in?

Flying light-years in minutes.

It's called PIS.

At least provide links to these interviews. Not that they matter over on-panel showings but just to make sure that this is not more of your bullshit.

Joe Casey says Superman has no limits, and that he can beat Juggernaut, Imperirex, Juggernaut, etc.

But that doesn't amount to shit since we go by on-panel showings and not what writers say during interviews. [/B]

Good points but Im still sticking with superman not going the speed of light since he has said it on numerous of occasions that he cant.

Do yo know who superman is, he is the 1st comic character to ever exist, of course theyre going to say that he can beat everyone just because hes superman, just like everyone on the forum think that he can beat everyone, just because hes superman. Im not going to lie, there arent but a couple of people that I can think of that can beat him because he's a powerful and smart character but Im not going to give him powers that he just dont have.

Originally posted by carver9
he has said it on numerous of occasions that he cant.

He said so once that he couldn't, in a comic published over 8 years ago.

Originally posted by carver9
Do yo know who superman is, he is the 1st comic character to ever exist

No he isn't.

Originally posted by carver9
of course theyre going to say that he can beat everyone just because hes superman

There are writers who have said that there are characters stronger than Superman. Superman having no limits and being powerful enough to defeat Galactus is an opinion very few writers share.

Originally posted by carver9
just like everyone on the forum think that he can beat everyone

Stop talking shit. The majority of this forum is well aware that Superman can lose to several characters.

Originally posted by carver9
Im not going to lie, there arent but a couple of people that I can think of that can beat him because he's a powerful and smart character

There are 100s of characters that can beat him.

Originally posted by carver9
jbut Im not going to give him powers that he just dont have.

All you're doing is ignoring on-panel showings and continuing to use a scan from 8 years ago in order to discredit Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
Good points but Im still sticking with superman not going the speed of light since he has said it on numerous of occasions that he cant.

Do yo know who superman is, he is the 1st comic character to ever exist, of course theyre going to say that he can beat everyone just because hes superman, just like everyone on the forum think that he can beat everyone, just because hes superman. Im not going to lie, there arent but a couple of people that I can think of that can beat him because he's a powerful and smart character but Im not going to give him powers that he just dont have.

http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Superman_%28New_Earth%29

The current incarnation can exceed the the speed of light and has flown several light-years in a matter of minutes.

Still think on-panel bio's are reliable? 🙄

Originally posted by Rorschach
http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Superman_%28New_Earth%29

The current incarnation can exceed the the speed of light and has flown several light-years in a matter of minutes.

Still think on-panel bio's are reliable? 🙄

You got me. There is nothing that i can say. I have been looking for that for a long time.

I guess everyone from vulcan, magneto, nova, gladiator, etc.... can move faster than the speed of light.

Anyway, Prime beats Magneto.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Bullocks!

He sais he wouldfly through it at lightspeed! You need to stop making things up, like you always do.

Do you know anything?

The Andromeda Galaxy (IPA: /ˌænˈdrɒmədə/, also known as Messier 31, M31, or NGC 224; older texts often called it the Great Andromeda Nebula) is a spiral galaxy approximately 2.5 million light-years away[4] in the constellation Andromeda.

Considering it didn't take him 2.5 million years to get there, I'm right.

Originally posted by carver9
So im guessing that superboy prime was going to slow down when he got to oa and fly through it at the speed of light. I have a question for ya. If he was going faster than the speed of light, why would he slow down once he had reached oa. If he was going so far above the speed of light why would he bring his speed under what he was flying to get there. Dont make sense to me.

By the way, show me a scan where it says that superman can go the speed of light. Show me something where the narrator is saying that superman can go the speed of light.

Because if you are going faster than light you are not subject to relativistic effects. If you are going at lightspeed then you are using infinite energy and can destroy the universe (theory of relativity).

Originally posted by Rorschach
Anyway, Prime beats Magneto.

You didnt have to say it like that (even though I agree with who would win). 😠

What part of speed = distance/time do you not understand?

If you know the distance and the time, and divide them, and the resulting speed is greater than the speed of light, then they are moving faster than light. Period.

In Countdown Superman flew from Vega (23 light - years away) to Earth in a matter of minutes.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
What part of speed = distance/time do you not understand?

If you know the distance and the time, and divide them, and the resulting speed is greater than the speed of light, then they are moving faster than light. Period.

In Countdown Superman flew from Vega (23 light - years away) to Earth in a matter of minutes.

I want you to look at every post that i typed. I said that superman can fly faster than light in space, why are you arguing about that. 😕

Vulcan can do the same thing from previous scans that I put up.

Originally posted by carver9
Deathstroke, batman, etc, has tagged the flash, I guess they move faster than light. By the way, read what superman says. http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8669/jla02114bq7.jpg 😆

Let me end this once and for all.
Yes indeed post-crisis superman couldn't exceed the speed of light.
But he has then since then been given several power ups (including more strength). He is now able to travel in multiples of the speed of light. If you have been reading Superman within the last couple of years you would have found this out.
Recent Superman is able to travel under his own power to other stars systems in much less than a year. He recently went mad when Luthor became president and flew from earth into one of Jupiter's moons in about 3mins (the panel timed him exactly). Jupiter is about 4.2 AU from earth (1 AU is 93million miles). So Superman's average speed was more than 10times the speed of light (Light travels 186,282 miles per second so you do the math). Also he accelerated from rest (he was going slower at first and faster in the end) thus his max speed achieved in that feat was much much higher than 10 times the speed of light. This is because since he accelerated from 0 then his final velocity > his average velocity which is = a little more than 10times the speed of light).