Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, that's not what I said they were doing.
I didn't say that you said that. That's the impression I get from the case, which is what I was addressing.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
You are saying the sensationalism is the media's fault
It's not their fault, they are actually creating it. It's undeniable. Who else is? The police are telling them the information, but as I said, I don't say they are blameless.
Originally posted by Ushgarakbut you cannot absolve the police for that because, as I say, they deliberately leaked such sensationalist ideas to the press.
Yeah, well. I'm not.
Originally posted by UshgarakI am also highly unconvinced by this moral attack on the McCanns for leaving their kids alone. They were about fifty feet away and being checked every hour. I reckon the majority of parents do that at least semi-regularly.
It is rampant paranoia to say that parents must attach themselves 24/7 to their kids.
Apparently it wasn't enough. They were very young to be unsupervised, in my opinion- but not for the reasons that transpired, more to do with what can occur in homes when children aren't supervised properly.
Originally posted by inimalist
Man, I'm totally out of the loop on this one.Would someone mind explaining what the scenario was when the girl was nabbed?
While I do see your point Ush, 4-5 may be a little young to be left to explore for hours, but then again, I might be imagining this wrong.
The family were on holiday in Portugal. The parents were at a bar, quite close to their apartment, and the children were left back at the apartment. They came to check on them at intervals.
Originally posted by grey fox
Everyone wants this sordid mess to be over with save for the parents who keep on pushing .
The media don't; it's gold for them.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Nah, I still don't buy that criticism; yoiu can say kids need to be watched 24/7 all you like but I still call bullshit back at you on that one, nor do I think the majority of families actually do that.
Yeah and furthermore even if they had left them for a much shorter time they probably still would have got blamed. As far as im concerned the police dont really give a **** and their like "oh well another kid has gone missing."
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
The family were on holiday in Portugal. The parents were at a bar, quite close to their apartment, and the children were left back at the apartment. They came to check on them at intervals.
children?
what happened to the others?
how old were they?
lol, or maybe i could go look it up myself 🙄
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Nah, I still don't buy that criticism; yoiu can say kids need to be watched 24/7 all you like but I still call bullshit back at you on that one, nor do I think the majority of families actually do that.
Of course !
Because a 5, 1 and 2 year old can clearly look after themselves better then any babysitter could.
The McCanns f*cked up. If this happened in OUR country they'd be prosecuted. Just because your in a place where leaving your kid alone isn't illegal doesn't mean you should do it.
Originally posted by grey fox
Of course !Because a 5, 1 and 2 year old can [b]clearly
look after themselves better then any babysitter could.The McCanns f*cked up. If this happened in OUR country they'd be prosecuted. Just because your in a place where leaving your kid alone isn't illegal doesn't mean you should do it. [/B]
It's not illegal to leave a kid alone in the U.K.
Until she is found, dead or alive, or decisive evidence is found nothing can be ruled out.
Kids that young shouldn´t be left alone imo. They can drown, get electric shocked, fall of the balcony and a whole bunch of other dangers. Especially in a foreign environment in a country where the standards arn´t the same as the original (UK) (electrical cables, balcony etc).
Older kids, say from 8 years if they are that far, ok. For an hour or two.
The press and the family are making a mint out of this event, no matter how sad it is.
I can´t imagine the parents being able to keep it quite this long if they had anything to do with it, she´s their daughter and they are human someone would have broken down by now.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Until she is found, dead or alive, or decisive evidence is found nothing can be ruled out.Kids that young shouldn´t be left alone imo. They can drown, get electric shocked, fall of the balcony and a whole bunch of other dangers. Especially in a foreign environment in a country where the standards arn´t the same as the original (UK) (electrical cables, balcony etc).
Older kids, say from 8 years if they are that far, ok. For an hour or two.
The press and the family are making a mint out of this event, no matter how sad it is.
Give this man a cigar !
Originally posted by grey fox
It is when there is potential for risk.
As I said There is no legal minimum age when you can leave your child at home alone.
There is no legal minimum age when you can leave your child at home alone. It's up to the parents to decide when they think their children are ready to be left, and it is probably one of the hardest decisions you make as your child gets older. It's not helped by all the horror stories you hear in the media, homes burning down, strangers at the door, Madeline McCann. As parents we want to protect our children, but we must also teach them how to rely on themselves and be independent from us.
http://www.allaboutyou.com/parenting/parentskills/children-home-alone/
She magazine online
Originally posted by BicnarokI can´t imagine the parents being able to keep it quite this long if they had anything to do with it, she´s their daughter and they are human someone would have broken down by now.
The thing about that is, and I don't speculate either way, the reactions of having done it, and having had her abducted wouldn't necessarily be that different.
Originally posted by Zebedee
As I said There is no legal minimum age when you can leave your child at home alone.[B]There is no legal minimum age when you can leave your child at home alone. It's up to the parents to decide when they think their children are ready to be left
, and it is probably one of the hardest decisions you make as your child gets older. It's not helped by all the horror stories you hear in the media, homes burning down, strangers at the door, Madeline McCann. As parents we want to protect our children, but we must also teach them how to rely on themselves and be independent from us.http://www.allaboutyou.com/parenting/parentskills/children-home-alone/
She magazine online [/B]
Yes there is, it is an offence worthy of investigation by social services, to leave a child who's under the age of twelve alone.
Originally posted by grey fox
Of course !Because a 5, 1 and 2 year old can [b]clearly
look after themselves better then any babysitter could.The McCanns f*cked up. If this happened in OUR country they'd be prosecuted. Just because your in a place where leaving your kid alone isn't illegal doesn't mean you should do it. [/B]
Err, no, they would not be prosecuted, that is absolutely ridiculous.
As to saying that you cannot leave them alone in case they electrocute themselves... she was in bed! You saying you need to stay with them all darn night?
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Yes there is, it is an offence worthy of investigation by social services, to leave a child who's under the age of twelve alone.
That's actually not true. It's all about "risk assessment". The McCanns would argue they were checking on Maddie more than they would overnight if she was sleeping and so the risk were assessed.
http://www.nspcc.org.uk/helpandadvice/parentsandcarers/homealone/homealone_wda35965.html
What the law says
The law does not set a minimum age at which children can be left alone. However, it is an offence to leave a child alone when doing so puts him or her at risk.
How do you decide if you can safely leave a child alone?
There are many important things to consider before you decide to leave a child alone. These include:
Originally posted by Zebedee
That's actually not true.http://www.nspcc.org.uk/helpandadvice/parentsandcarers/homealone/homealone_wda35965.html
What the law says
The law does not set a minimum age at which children can be left alone. However, it is an offence to leave a child alone when doing so puts him or her at risk.
How do you decide if you can safely leave a child alone?
There are many important things to consider before you decide to leave a child alone. These include:
Whether the child is at risk is what social services would investigate. If you were reported to be leaving a five year old at home, to social services, you would be investigated. They will look at your reasons for doing so, any kind of dangerous materials in the house (this could even be something like an iron).
My dad's the director of social services in the south west, I've heard some horrible stories of parents and children having to be parted.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Whether the child is at risk is what social services would investigate. If you were reported to be leaving a five year old at home, to social services, you would be investigated. They will look at your reasons for doing so, any kind of dangerous materials in the house (this could even be something like an iron).
Social Servies might investigate, personally I would doubt it given the fact two health professionals the people social services go to for advice had done the risk assessment. That aside if a child is being checked on as often as they say, it would be debateable if it was even considered left alone. Social services in a case where a death or abduction had occurred would investigate. I doubt again given the parental risk assessment they would be able to do anything and given these parents positions I am certain they would not.
Just a bit of advice Chil, it's not agood idea to give out personal info online, particularly if your dad has a high ranking public sector job. I've edited who your Dad is out of my post, you might want a Mod to do that to the post above.