Originally posted by carver9
theres no proof that superman reaction time and even flight speed is as fast as light or even close. The only thing that you all are using is superman flying a distance across the universe in a short period of time but you fail to realize that vulcan has done the same thing but his was better, he flew across the other end of the universe less then a week, so Im guessing that vulcan can speed blitz superman huh. Hell rogue flew from earth to the moon in one panel, I guess she can speed blitz wonderwoman etc...The thing about this is that I have on panel proof that surfer can move faster then light, it actually says this instead of us calculating things. Then on the other hand you have writers saying that silver surfer is faster then flash and superman. Then on another note you have superman writer last year stating that superman can only go 2000 mps.
What would you listen to The game, would you listen to a writer saying that superman goes 2000mps, would you listen to fans say that superman has flown across this place to this place even though almost every hero and villian has done this or would you listen to what is actually stated in the comic.
yur pathetic. you completely changed the subject cuz u didn't want to confront the issue. Sentry isn't as powerful as people claim. this is based on what he's done, now what he's rumored to have done.
Originally posted by MindsetI blame it on lack of appearances. 😉
Sentry doesn't have the feats to back up him being able to beat Superman.Blame it on shitty writers.
Also, when was it said Sentry had the power of a million suns, because when introduced in New Avengers it was only a thousand. Not that it really matters.
And the fact that marvel doesnt let one man have the spotlight. In dc thats possible but not in marvel. 😛
Originally posted by quanchi112True, but he couldn't stop the helicarrier...And that's where he lost in my mind. Supes would have been able to stop and lift it.
I blame it on lack of appearances. 😉And the fact that marvel doesnt let one man have the spotlight. In dc thats possible but not in marvel. 😛
Originally posted by Rewmac
True, but he couldn't stop the helicarrier...And that's where he lost in my mind. Supes would have been able to stop and lift it.
It was a matter of physics, a larger mass will always move a smaller one if the density of the two masses are similar. Superman has been thrown through buildings while trying to stop smaller object than the Hellicarrier. Sentry was also seen earlier in an Avengers comic throwing a monster as large as Godzilla with relative ease. The Momentum of the Hellicarrier was simply pushing him back. Captain Marvel was pushed back for miles when he attempted to stop a hellicarrier that was tossed by an Eclipsed Superman... The only difference is that Marvel had the space to slow it down enough in order to ease it to a full stop. The Sentry had a couple hundred feet.
Originally posted by RewmacMarvel doesn't usually utilize tactile kinesis. I already explained this in another thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=475081&pagenumber=2
True, but he couldn't stop the helicarrier...And that's where he lost in my mind. Supes would have been able to stop and lift it.
I'll repost the explanation for your benefit:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Out of pure boredom and for a No-Prize, I'll point at a low-end feat that a lot of people love to focus on. A lot of people like to point at Sentry's apparent inability to lift the SHIELD helicarrier w/o Ms. Marvel's and Wonderman's help. But I think a good portion of the comics community recognizes that Marvel comics don't usually, if ever, subscribe to the tactile kinesis theory that Superman apparently employs with regularity. Think of Infinite Crisis #3 where he holds up half an office building, using the office building's glass windows as grips. I mean, come on! Outside of a comics theory like tactile kinesis, no way do glass windows support half an office building. Any child can tell you that while Superman has the strength to lift half an office building, no way does a single window glass pane support that same weight..So think about this and put that into context with Mighty Avengers. Think about comic physics minus tactile kinesis and imagine a stationary object in the air like Sentry fully bracing against a falling helicarrier. The Sentry would simply leave a Sentry-shaped hole in the helicarrier as he tore through it since the helicarrier's outer shell ain't made of adamantium and would most likely not be supported by such a small point of contact with no leverage.
Sentry was most likely concentrating on calculating how much power he required to not simply punch through the outer hull while slowing its descent. And the apparent strain is very easily reconciliable with Sentry's apparent inability and utter phobia in regulating his power output. Ms. Marvel's and Wonderman's support simply provided additional points of contact to distribute the weight amongst three points of contact.
I don't see why Sentry is overrated. Hey... I'm hesitant to place him in a hierarchy just yet, but he isn't just hype. He's got feats to back the hype up up and nobody's given a decent explanation to explain away his most impressive feats, i.e. curbstomping Terrax with one hand, stalemating Photon, overloading Absorbing Man and taking ou tthe Collective.
Originally posted by BadabingSuperman has reached light speed several times. He never created a boom tube on his own. I had this exact argument with Juntai in another thread. Personally surprised that you even subscribe to the incredulous Superman boom-tube theory: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=449810&pagenumber=5
Carver, those scans have been posted numerous times. I'll indulge you though.From Earth to the Sun.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-02-21.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-03-20.jpgFrom the Sun to the Source Wall (which is located at the end of the DCU) Notice the BOOM. Superman travelled so fast he created a boom tube and hit warp speed. 😐
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-05-17.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-06-16.jpg
Here are the relevant parts reposted for your benefit:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Batman specifically stated that a motherbox was protecting him when Darkseid was pounding on him. Go to the panel where they open a boom-tube and they carry off Kara. Do we see anybody taking out a motherbox or saying anything to a motherbox or even the motherbox being depicted at all? No. So it's consistent later on when a boom-tube opens but we don't actually see a mortherbox. And thanks for pointing this out: The fact that Barda forced Superman to take her along because he needed the motherbox to get to Apokolips is truly evidence that Superman couldn't make a boom-tube and needed one later on. I forgot about that little blackmailing that Barda pulled. Thanks for strengthening my argument.Most people who hate the facts that Superman has beaten Darkseid and Despero are Darkseid and Despero fans. I never took issue with them. Captain America has willed off the effects of magic and goddesses. Superman doing so is no surprise to me. Such instances do not have to be written off to explain their occurrences. There is almost always a pretty simple and valid explanation for it. I do however, take issue with choosing the far-fetched conclusions when an easier solution is just as capable of explaining the incredulity of the scene.
Originally posted by EstacadoYou have read the comic, I assume? And you do know how strong Ms. Marvel is, right? And you did notice that Ms. Marvel amped up and absorbed the energy from a nuclear warhead's explosion... and you did notice that Ms. Marvel blind-sided him and punched the back of Sentry's head? So really... did you bother to reflect on how powerful that punch was? And did you forget that he's been fighting for four consecutive issues and thus, judging from the plain definition of a one-shot... it wasn't even a "one-shot?"
Sentry got one shoted by Ms Marvel.
I don't even know why I'm responding to you... carver9 already showed you up by posting several Superman dingers:
Originally posted by carver9
is this the scan that you were trying to put up, oh my bad, doctor light just one shotted superman.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=431002&pagenumber=2Oh, you was talking about this scan, oops this is superman getting crushed by doctor poloris.
http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drpolaris11fx3.jpgWhat about this one, naah, this is superman getting humilated by doctor poloris again.
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drpolarisvssuperman7lw1.jpgSuperman getting one shotted by doctor poloris again.
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drpolarisvssuperman9md8.jpg
http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drpolarisvssuperman10zj3.jpgOr what about this one, my bad black canary just owned superman.
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=268224131rv.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=334997161wi.jpg
dont he look hurt to you.Its not good to use people bad showing, especially when the other character that is going against him has more and theyre lower than his.
Originally posted by CaptainStoicYes like the law of physics that states people can't fly of their own power? Stop trying to use real world logic he was unable to lift it since you obviously have no clue how to back up this guy winning i suggest you read more Superman comics.
It was a matter of physics, a larger mass will always move a smaller one if the density of the two masses are similar. Superman has been thrown through buildings while trying to stop smaller object than the Hellicarrier. Sentry was also seen earlier in an Avengers comic throwing a monster as large as Godzilla with relative ease. The Momentum of the Hellicarrier was simply pushing him back. Captain Marvel was pushed back for miles when he attempted to stop a hellicarrier that was tossed by an Eclipsed Superman... The only difference is that Marvel had the space to slow it down enough in order to ease it to a full stop. The Sentry had a couple hundred feet.
Originally posted by carver9
I totally agree with you, superman did fly ftl IN SPACE, so have other heros and villians but thats the only place that he will be doing that at.I would like to start this off in a good way, post something that should be convincing.
Ok this is about captain marvel, we all know that captain marvel can go the speed of light. (Im going to love this.)
1st I would like to start this off with a speed blitz from captain marvel to superman. Superman also admitting that he dont stand a chance of beating captain marvel. Now I know this thread isnt about cap but you'll get the point.
http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sb0415uw3.jpg
Here superman feels true power from captain marvel which could also explain why captain marvel could be faster.
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007q8q4Now here is superman needing the aid of captain marvel because captain marvel and mercury are some of the only beings that can move the speed of light (besides flash.
http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=justice19005cl7.jpgNow here is superman admitting that captain marvel is faster while flash is going THE SPEED OF LIGHT and admits that he cant keep up with flash but captain marvel can.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/17/scan10061vc2.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/756/scan10062joinmw8.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3465/scan10064xu6.jpgremember, we have added up that captain marvel goes the speed of light, is able to keep up with flash. Now with this scan, remember bizzaro is superman, power set and all, can we say he just got speed blitzed by captain marvel. I wonder why he didnt move the speed of light with him.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7396/justice07005do8.jpgNow I have seen two things in this scan, captain marvel went the speed of light and it actually stated that he can go that fast and I have seen that the speed of light was used against superman twice in my post. Superman himself admitting it. I have seen superman get speed blitzed by captain marvel along with a superman clone getting speed blitzed and both are suppose to go the speed of light.
Light speed anyone. 😆
