Superman vs Sentry (for real)

Started by CaptainStoic33 pages
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Galactus can resurect people....hell people weaker then galactus can ressurect people,You also neglect to mention ms marvel shit stomping sentry with a punch,sentry still gets his ass beat here.

Galactus can ressurect people??? You mean like he did with Gabriel Airwalker??? Galactus himself said that Lann was beyond his ability to ressurect. Oh you must be talking about Nova??? Oh I forgot he couldn't ressurect her either.

If Ms. Marvel hit Superman with the amount of power she was harnessing she would have knocked Superman into the ocean as well. I've seen far less powerful characters slam Superman.

I want you to keep talking Vlaad... but I have a big feeling that Marvel is about to surprise many with just how powerful The Sentry can get.

Darkseid can resurrect people...Superman still pummels Darkseid and The Sentry.

Darkseid was also seen knocking Superman out in one strike.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Darkseid was also seen knocking Superman out in one strike.
So are you saying Superman can't beat Darkseid?

No what I am saying is that Darkseid has beaten Superman. Not that it has anything to do with the beating that Sentry would give Superman.

Like I told Vlaaad, Sentry is getting more powerful as the months roll by. Sentry has just shown that he doesn't share the same weakness to magic as Superman has or his weakness to certain forms of radiation.

Please don't try telling me that Superman has become immune to magic, because if that were at all true Captain Marvel wouldn't be able to break his face with one punch, as he did in Batman/Superman. You know when Hawkman and Cpt. Marvel went after them.

Sentry KO'ed Doom recently while he was working Ironman with some pretty potent magic, it was ineffective against Sentry, I bet Superman would have been in the same shape as Tony.

Like I said, there will be more surprises in the future as far as Sentry is concerned, and then I want you to tell me how Superman will defeat someone who can hold off Galactus... even turn him away all alone.

Action Comics #815 showed Superman getting ripped by a being less powerful than Darkseid, and far less impressive than the Collective.

Lol...gog is stronger than darkseid or any of the other people sentry gets his ass regularly handed to him with,not to mention that comic is pre inf crisis when superman got a upgrade in strength speed and durability and also recently had his magic resistance amped,and bringing up supermans weaknesses that sentry cant exploit at all means nothing in this fight,sentry gets his shit stomped here just like everytime he takes on a top tier,and no ms marvel wouldnt knock superman out either,nor does superman fail at lifting helicarriers or any of the other super low showings sentry has.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Lol...gog is stronger than darkseid or any of the other people sentry gets his ass regularly handed to him with,not to mention that comic is pre inf crisis when superman got a upgrade in strength speed and durability and also recently had his magic resistance amped,and bringing up supermans weaknesses that sentry cant exploit at all means nothing in this fight,sentry gets his shit stomped here just like everytime he takes on a top tier,and no ms marvel wouldnt knock superman out either,nor does superman fail at lifting helicarriers or any of the other super low showings sentry has.
Who exactly has handed Sentry's ass to him? When does he get shit stomped by every top tier he faces? And yes, an amped Ms. Marvel could knock Superman silly with a blind-sided ambush after Superman has been fighting a being on Ultron's level for four comics in a row. And Marvel comics doesn't use tactile kinesis, so you can't really hold the helicarrier instance against him. We've been over this before.

Other super low showings... care to name a few?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Who exactly has handed Sentry's ass to him?

IronMan.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And yes, an amped Ms. Marvel could knock Superman silly with a blind-sided ambush after Superman has been fighting a being on Ultron's level for four comics in a row.

Superman wouldn't fight someone like Shultron for four comics in a row.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And Marvel comics doesn't use tactile kinesis, so you can't really hold the helicarrier instance against him.

Gladiator was once explicitly stated to have it. Various strength feats from Marvel's top tier strength people would require it or something like it.

Superman doesn't have tactile telekinesis.

Superboy did.

Superman does not.

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman doesn't have tactile telekinesis.

Superboy did.

Superman does not.

I think they mean TactileTK as the explanation occasionally given for why people with superstrength can lift massive objects without the structure crumbling.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think they mean TactileTK as the explanation occasionally given for why people with superstrength can lift massive objects without the structure crumbling.

I know what he's talking about.

Superman has never been attributed with that power. His explanation is. simply; "He's that damned strong."

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think they mean TactileTK as the explanation occasionally given for why people with superstrength can lift massive objects without the structure crumbling.

Same thing and Superman has it... tooo many people recall him having Tactile TK for it not to exist!!! Superman possessed it before, and he still possesses it today. The writers once said that he had this power, so he does.

Originally posted by Soljer
I know what he's talking about.

Superman has never been attributed with that power. His explanation is. simply; "He's that damned strong."

You're that damned wrong. It was in a Superman comic, it was years ago, but it still happened.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
IronMan.
I wouldn't really characterize someone using a mental play to take advantage of someone's agoraphobia as having one's ass handed to him. The same way I wouldn't characterize someone using kryptonite to knock Superman silly as handing him his ass. Difference of opinion I suppose. More important thing is to question whether Superman could take advantage of Sentry's agoraphobia in the same manner. Care to comment?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Superman wouldn't fight someone like Shultron for four comics in a row.
Umm. If he was ordered not to kill her because a friend was trapped within Ultron? Sure he would. And after Lois was killed and he went bloodlusted, he'd literally rip her head off in a few minutes, same as Sentry was literally doing before an amped Ms. Marvel blind-sided him.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Gladiator was once explicitly stated to have it. Various strength feats from Marvel's top tier strength people would require it or something like it.
Marvel comics do not make frequent use of the concept. I can only think of one instance where it was used. I'll take your word for it that Gladiator has it, though, I'd like the reference if yu can.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think they mean TactileTK as the explanation occasionally given for why people with superstrength can lift massive objects without the structure crumbling.
That's exactly what I mean.
Originally posted by Soljer
I know what he's talking about.

Superman has never been attributed with that power. His explanation is. simply; "He's that damned strong."

Umm. Read Infinite Crisis #3, where Superman swoops in and holds up half a building in front of the Shadowpact. The entire building's weight is supported by a window pane. A window pane, that is a little cracked. I'm pretty sure he has been attributed the power explicitly. But since I can neither remember the reference, I'll simply ask: "By what other theory of comic physics, would such a feat make sense?"

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
You're that damned wrong. It was in a Superman comic, it was years ago, but it still happened.
Oh... I remember that one...

In the next arc, they clearly explained that he doesn't actually have that power.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Oh... I remember that one...

In the next arc, they clearly explained that he doesn't actually have that power.

It was only present during Bryne's era, which has since been retconned in favor of a new origin. Most of Bryne's Superman stories aren't even cannon anymore.

Superboy posesses Tactile TK, Superman doesn't have it anymore, unless it's been mentioned Post-IC?

as far as superman goes, tactile tk in recent years has always been, to me, just a convenient way of talking about how his powers work... when it comes down to it though, superman's powers by their nature are supposed to defy explanation, imo, so i wouldnt consider it tactile tk...

As was explained beforehand; any explicit reference to tactile telekinesis has since been dispelled.

Originally posted by Soljer
As was explained beforehand; any explicit reference to tactile telekinesis has since been dispelled.

just adding my two cents... uhuh

Originally posted by Soljer
As was explained beforehand; any explicit reference to tactile telekinesis has since been dispelled.
Explicit references aren't needed when you have ridiculous and recent feats like Superman holding up half a building using a glass window pane as grips in Infinite Crisis #3. It's the only way to explain feats like that.

And as far as I know, tactile telekinesis is different from tactile kinesis. Tactile telekinesis, which is what Superboy had, allowed him to rip apart machines and synthesize super strength and invulnerability before his Kryptonian DNA kicked in. Obviously, Superman never could rip apart machines just by touching them and willing it.

Tactile kinesis is the extending of an aura to prevent a structure from crumbling underneath it's own weight and to protect innocent people from being crushed by air pressure when Superman flys them away at super speeds.

If the arc explained that Superman did not have tactile telekinesis like Superboy utilized, then its absolutely reconciliable with Superman still having tactile kinesis. If there are no references to Superboy whatsoever in that comic that Slippyfist is referencing, then the doing away of Superman's tactile kinesis has been re-retconned by Superman's numerous feats since then, which require tactile kinesis. My two cents.