Personally, I very much doubt the veracity of Sentry stalemating Galactus. But I do believe he is highly underestimated around here. Sentry stalemated Photon. I mean, what other feat do you need to prove his power? And yes, people tend to forget that Mastermind used Sentry's own vast telepathic powers to erase everyone's mind, which Sentry has repeated himself.
That... and Mastermind manipulated classic Dark Phoenix also. So yeah, not exactly a low feat on Sentry's end...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0This battle is close imo as well. But featwise Supes has him by a mile.
Personally, I very much doubt the veracity of Sentry stalemating Galactus. But I do believe he is highly underestimated around here. Sentry stalemated Photon. I mean, what other feat do you need to prove his power? And yes, people tend to forget that Mastermind used Sentry's own vast telepathic powers to erase everyone's mind, which Sentry has repeated himself.That... and Mastermind manipulated classic Dark Phoenix also. So yeah, not exactly a low feat on Sentry's end...
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Please list the instances where the Sentry resisted/managed to fight off any psi-powers.I'll start...
1.) Sentry got mind f*cked six ways to Sunday by Mastermind...
That's the only encounter I can recall where Sentry comes across a Psi-Attack...
It was explained that the stronger the telepath the easier it is for Mastermind to control you, Emma Frost said this.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
------------- Repressed Mental Abilities.......................................During the course of his investigation, Reynolds and Reed Richards discover what had happened: as the Void had threatened the Earth, the heroes learned that the Sentry and the Void were two halves of the same person, and in order to save the world, Robert Reynolds erased his memory from the mind of nearly every person on Earth. As the heroes stand along the United States' East Coast, united against the coming Void, Reynolds realizes that he must make the sacrifice again, and with the help of his mechanical servant C.L.O.C., Richards, and Dr. Strange, Reynolds erases the Sentry from the world's memories once more.
Umm...IRRC wasn't Reed Richards Mesmeric Induction Machine and C.L.O.C.'s virus involved in making the world forget the first two times? (Sentry 2000) Not Sentry's Psi-Powers.
Mastermind then used the Sentry's powers to make the world forget on a different occasion. But like Emma Frost said the Sentry didn't train himself to protect from those types of attacks which is why he was susceptible to Masterminds powers.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And yes, people tend to forget that Mastermind used Sentry's own vast telepathic powers to erase everyone's mind, which Sentry has repeated himself.That... and Mastermind manipulated classic Dark Phoenix also. So yeah, not exactly a low feat on Sentry's end...
Yes Mastermind used the Sentry's raw psi powers to mind wipe everyone. Emma Frost explained in the following issue that Sentry hasn't ever trained himself in how to use his Psi-powers and that's why he was susceptible to such an attack.
BTW Mastermind needed Emma Frosts specially built mind trap device to have a shot at manipulating Jean Grey.
The point is not that it's a low showing it's that Sentry does not have any feats that state that he has "Uber resistance" or any resistance to psi-attacks.
All the evidence so far actually says the opposite.
And Sentry replicated the mind wipe without aid from a adept psi? 😬 (Are we referring to the time they used Reeds machine to mind wipe the world in Sentry 2000?)
Originally posted by Mindset
It was explained that the stronger the telepath the easier it is for Mastermind to control you, Emma Frost said this.
Mastermind explained that he found that the stronger the mind(Not telepath) the easier it is for his powers to work. Yet Emma Frost also explained that the Sentry did not train his mind for those types of attacks and that's why he was susceptible to a psi-attack.
There is no doubt that the Sentry has strong psi powers(Raw power) but he is a newbie and has never known how to use it. So far it's been explained that it's only use is holding his body together.
Heck in the new Iron Man series they couldn't find a physical flaw in the Sentry so they exploited his fragile mind.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Mastermind explained that he found that the stronger the mind(Not telepath) the easier it is for his powers to work. Yet Emma Frost also explained that the Sentry did not train his mind for those types of attacks and that's why he was susceptible to a psi-attack.
There is no doubt that the Sentry has strong psi powers(Raw power) but he is a newbie and has never known how to use it. So far it's been explained that it's only use is holding his body together.
Yea, you're right, it was Mastermind who said it, but when he says mind he is talking about a psychic...and since we know Sentry mindwiped people we can come to the conclusion that he is a telepath.
And it was said he was susceptible to Mastermind's type of attack, not psi attacks in general, as his is different, and even w/o training he was still fighting back against it. That was why sometimes he would remember his past, and how he implanted his memories into the mind of the comic book writer.
And in IM he overloaded cloc with different distress calls, that is not a psi attack.
Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, you're right, it was Mastermind who said it, but when he says mind he is talking about a psychic...and since we know Sentry mindwiped people we can come to the conclusion that he is a telepath.And it was said he was susceptible to Mastermind's type of attack, not psi attacks in general, as his is different, and even w/o training he was still fighting back against it. That was why sometimes he would remember his past, and how he implanted his memories into the mind of the comic book writer.
No it doesn't because it said that the Sentry hasn't trained himself to know how to use his psi powers as stated by Emma Frost. He unintentionally mind wiped people ONCE with the aid of a psi(Mastermind). The other times he mind wiped the world was through Reeds Machine not the use of his psi powers.
You can have a strong mind and not be a telepath. eg Storm
Everyone fights back against that type of telepathy. See the Illuminati mini where Xavier says I could turn you into a little girl and you'll act like a little girl but eventually you're mind will correct the situation. Or Astonishing X-Men #15-16 where Wolverine is turned into a little girl and recovers from it eventually.
He subconsciously implanted thoughts into the Comic Book writers head but every rudimentary telepath can do that. Still doesn't prove that Sentry has any resistance to psi-attacks.
He was fighting back but everybody and there mother does that. he needed Emma Frosts help to rid himself of Masterminds virus.
Mastermind is not even a true telepath. He's like a telepath with 4 senses cut off. He's an illusion caster. His daughters Regan and Martinique W yngarde have his powers + a bit more...their powersets are greater then his.
Originally posted by Mindset
And in IM he overloaded cloc with different distress calls, that is not a psi attack.
My point was to show how fragile his mind is these days.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
No it doesn't because it said that the Sentry hasn't trained himself to know how to use his psi powers as stated by Emma Frost. He mind wiped people [b]ONCE with the aid of a psi(Mastermind). The other times he mind wiped the world was through Reeds Machine not the use of his psi powers.You can have a strong mind and not be a telepath. eg Storm
Everyone fights back against that type of telepathy. See the Illuminati mini where Xavier says I turn you into a little girl and you'll act like a little girl but eventually you're mind will correct the situation.
He was fighting back but everybody and there mother does that. he needed Emma Frosts help to rid himself of Masterminds virus.
My point was to show how fragile his mind is these days. [/B]
Him mindwiping people shows he has telepathy, that was the point being made, what are you talking about?
That's nice storm has a strong mind, but we know Sentry is a psychic, and we know he mindwiped people. Mastermind forced him to do this, but that still means Sentry has telepathy...
When other people fight back do they implant there memories into to someone else? No.
And my point was overloading cloc has nothing to do with his mental powers or a psi attack.
Originally posted by Mindset
Him mindwiping people shows he has telepathy, that was the point being made, what are you talking about?That's nice storm has a strong mind, but we know Sentry is a psychic, and we know he mindwiped people. Mastermind forced him to do this, but that still means Sentry has telepathy...
When other people fight back do they implant there memories into to someone else? No.
And my point was overloading cloc has nothing to do with his mental powers or a psi attack.
I never said he didn't have psi-powers I said that he doesn't know how to use them.
There is no proof that he could replicate that feat without the aid of Mastermind.
I never said he didn't have telepathy. I said he doesn't know how to use them. Having telepathy does not equal resistance to psi-attacks(See Psylocke vs. Sage in X-treme X-Men #3) unless you know how to use it.
Therefore your point is irrelevant.
The only thing Sentry uses his psi-powers for is holding his enormous power together. That's all.
Yes but it has everything to do with having a fragile mind which would make it even more susceptible to psychic attacks.
Until the day the Sentry demonstrates psi-resistance or these psi-powers of his on panel(Or even off panel) or trains and tries to learn how to use his psi powers he'd lose to Fat Karma 10/10 in a pure telepathy match.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I never said he didn't have psi-powers I said that he doesn't know how to use them.
There is no proof that he could replicate that feat without the aid of Mastermind.I never said he didn't have telepathy. I said he doesn't know how to use them. Having telepathy does not equal resistance to psi-attacks unless you know how to use it.
Therefore your point is irrelevant.
The only thing Sentry uses his psi-powers for is holding his enormous power together. That's all.
Yes but it has everything to do with having a fragile mind which would make it even more susceptible to psychic attacks.
I don't know if you are dyslexic or you only see words that you want to. When did I say Sentry could replicate the mindwipe feat, all along I was saying Sentry was a telepath and you were disagreeing with me, next time pay attention to what is being said. It might help if you stop editing your past posts after I have already replied. 😕
Him being susceptible to Mastermind's attack =/= to all psi attacks. What Mastermind does is different from what any normal telepath would do.
The fact the Sentry was able to pass his memories on to someone while still under the effect of Mastermind's powers shows he can use his psi powers for more than just holding his power together.
This has more to do with Sentry having the fortitude of an amoeba than him being susceptible to mental attack.
Originally posted by Mindset
I don't know if you are dyslexic or you only see words that you want to. When did I say Sentry could replicate the mindwipe feat, all along I was saying Sentry was a telepath and you were disagreeing with me, next time pay attention to what is being said. It might help if you stop editing your past posts after I have already replied. 😕
Please quote me. Where did I say that Sentry doesn't have telepathy?
I said he had psi-powers...in pretty much every post of mine. But I also said he doesn't know how to use them.
If he can't replicate the mind feat then pray tell what prompted you to say that Sentry is a strong telepath when there is no evidence to show that he is even adept at using his psi powers? Which was my point from the beginning. Where is all this evidence to support Sentry's uber psi resistance.
Him being susceptible to Mastermind's attack =/= to all psi attacks. What Mastermind does is different from what any normal telepath would do.
Not really, a normal telepath could replicate that psychic virus. Caliban can also replicate a psychic virus that puts the victim into a psychosis.(Civil War X-Men #1)
And you're going off on a tangent. Point being there is no evidence to support the fact that Sentry has uber psi resistance.
The fact the Sentry was able to pass his memories on to someone while still under the effect of Mastermind's powers shows he can use his psi powers for more than just holding his power together.
No it shows that he subconciously can perform rudimentary telepathic feats that even pond scum telepaths can do or mutant telepaths who just received their powers.
Emma Frost said that he hasn't trained himself in knowing how to use his psi powers.
This has more to do with Sentry having the fortitude of an amoeba than im being susceptible to mental attack.
It shows that his mind is not as strong as it was (When Mastermind mind raped him).
It makes it easier for telepaths to exploit. (Emma Frost in Gen X when talking to M about exploiting minds)
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
1. Superman is made Eclipsos Puppet/Muppet over six times, and a couple of those times he was completely under Eclipsos control.2. Despero makes Superman into his slave as well.
3. Max Lord took complete control over Superman, it may have taken time but the fact remains. Superman can be controlled.
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Here's a couple of things about The Sentry that so many people discount, and many should wait before stating that Sentry is weak.
1. As revealed in The Mighty Avengers issue 6. The Sentry appears to be able to bring the dead back to life under extreme emotional distress. After Ultron/Tony Stark murdered his wife, Sentry was able to resuscitate her by simply touching her. It does not appear he has control over this power, as he was shocked by his ability to do such an act.
***** NOTE************************************************
Sentry displayed reality manip. in bringing his wife back to life.
......................................................................................................2. The Sentry's powers derive from a serum that moves his molecules an instant ahead of the current timeline. (Meanin in a non PIS fight he should always be a step ahead of Superman).
------------- Repressed Mental Abilities.......................................
During the course of his investigation, Reynolds and Reed Richards discover what had happened: as the Void had threatened the Earth, the heroes learned that the Sentry and the Void were two halves of the same person, and in order to save the world, Robert Reynolds erased his memory from the mind of nearly every person on Earth. As the heroes stand along the United States' East Coast, united against the coming Void, Reynolds realizes that he must make the sacrifice again, and with the help of his mechanical servant C.L.O.C., Richards, and Dr. Strange, Reynolds erases the Sentry from the world's memories once more.
***NOTE*****
It says with the help of Richards, and Strange.... this means that within time Bob Reynolds will learn to control his powers. He is in an embrionic state at the moment. He will become more powerful as time moves forward making it very possible that he could have matched Galactus in his past before he lost his memory.
These are actually some of the reasons I said earlier that although Sentry lacks Superman's feats....he has the potential to exceed Superman.
He just doesnt' have the overt weaknesses Kent does....and has not really even approached defining the full range of his powers...much less his fully realized potential.
Although I'd lean towards Superman for the majority based on history and feats...Sentry is a very powerful new character....that hasn't been tapped.
Originally posted by horrorwolfVery good post. 👆
These are actually some of the reasons I said earliers that although Sentry lacks Superman's feats....he has the potential to exceed Superman.He just doesnt' have the overt weaknesses Kent does....and has not really even approached defining the full range of his powers...much less his fully realized potential.
Although I'd lean towards Superman for the majority based on history and feats...Sentry is a very powerful new character....that hasn't been tapped.
I used to lean towards sentry in this fight as well but to ignore the countles feats that Superman has on him is just wrong. Supes does have weaknesses but until further notice Supes wins this very close fight. But I think Sentry hasnt seen his potential yet and is a victim of inconsistencies among writers.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Very good post. 👆I used to lean towards sentry in this fight as well but to ignore the countles feats that Superman has on him is just wrong. Supes does have weaknesses but until further notice Supes wins this very close fight. But I think Sentry hasnt seen his potential yet and is a victim of inconsistencies among writers.
Such as jobbing to WWH...by trying to go toe to toe? lol
🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
to ignore the countles feats that Superman has on him is just wrong. Supes does have weaknesses but until further notice Supes wins this very close fight. But I think Sentry hasnt seen his potential yet and is a victim of inconsistencies among writers.
I'll agree with this. Every character has the potential to become more powerful. Sentry at the moment is one of the most powerful characters on Marvel Earth and has shown great potential "power wise".
I have no problem with it, the only thing I have a problem with is the hyping up and the removal of context of his few feats(More importantly his psi-feats) it actually got to the stage where people were calling the Sentry a telepath >> Xavier for mind wiping Earth with the aid and coercion of Mastermind (Which was the clause in that feat) a few months ago. The Sentry has yet to demonstrate any conscious use of his psi-powers. He's a novice in terms of telepathy. Until he decides to go and train with Xavier or Emma Frost or the S.H.I.E.L.D. or S.W.O.R.D. Psi-Division then he'll remain a character who has no idea how to consciously use his psi-powers. But then again I doubt Marvel will ever make him a stable character.
In all honesty though I'd rather Blackbolt was being pushed as much as Sentry.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Please quote me. Where did I say that Sentry doesn't have telepathy?
I said he had psi-powers...in pretty much every post of mine. But I also said he doesn't know how to use them.If he can't replicate the mind feat then pray tell what prompted you to say that Sentry is a strong telepath when there is no evidence to show that he is even adept at using his psi powers? Which was my point from the beginning. Where is all this evidence to support Sentry's uber psi resistance.
Not really, a normal telepath could replicate that psychic virus. Caliban can also replicate a psychic virus that puts the victim into a psychosis.(Civil War X-Men #1)
And you're going off on a tangent. Point being there is no evidence to support the fact that Sentry has uber psi resistance.
No it shows that he [b]subconciously
can perform rudimentary telepathic feats that even pond scum telepaths can do or mutant telepaths who just received their powers.
Emma Frost said that he hasn't trained himself in knowing how to use his psi powers.It shows that his mind is not as strong as it was (When Mastermind mind raped him).
It makes it easier for telepaths to exploit. (Emma Frost in Gen X when talking to M about exploiting minds) [/B]
I was saying that Sentry was a telepath and that he had a strong mind, one of your responses was that you can have a strong mind without being a telepath, which would imply that you felt I was wrong in saying Sentry was a telepath...
I was never saying Sentry had strong psi resistance, I was saying that your proof for his resistance being weak was incorrect. Him being manipulated by Mastermind does not prove he is weak to all kinds of psychic attacks. What proof do you have that any telepath could replicate Mastermind's psychic virus? Caliban isn't a telepath, he can increase the fear in people's minds, that doesn't prove your point at all.
Show me when a telepath while under the control of someone else's power has implanted their entire life memory into someone else. According to you that should be an easy scan to find seeing as it is a common occurrence.
No, it doesn't show that at all. Sentry didn't know which crisis to handle first, that doesn't show a mental weakness in regards to not having psi training.
Originally posted by Mindset
[B]I was saying that Sentry was a telepath and that he had a strong mind, one of your responses was that you can have a strong mind without being a telepath, which would imply that you felt I was wrong in saying Sentry was a telepath...
You said Sentry was a telepath - I agree
You said Mastermind was refering to "Psychic" when he said "powerful mind" - I disagreed with that hence that line.
I was never saying Sentry had strong psi resistance,
Then I think we agree.
I was saying that your proof for his resistance being weak was incorrect. Him being manipulated by Mastermind does not prove he is weak to all kinds of psychic attacks. What proof do you have that any telepath could replicate Mastermind's psychic virus? Caliban isn't a telepath, he can increase the fear in people's minds, that doesn't prove your point at all.
Mastermind is an illusionist. It's not so much a virus but a bunch of illusions which trap the person in a psychosis. His not very original since his powerset is banal but plenty of telepaths can repliate illusions.
So far there is no proof to indicate that he is resistant to psi-attacks. The absence of proof works in my favour until it's proven otherwise as his head is accessible to telepaths(Emma) and other psi-talents(Mastermind).
Show me when a telepath while under the control of someone else's power has implanted their entire life memory into someone else. According to you that should be an easy scan to find seeing as it is a common occurrence.
He wasn't being mind controlled. He was trapped in a loop of illusions. After years his mind started to fight back. Every superhero in this predicament does this.(Wolverine) He subconsciously implanted memories into a comic book writer. Martha the brain in a jar can do this from New X-Men. And Sentry did this subconsciously.
This doesn't grant uber resistance to psi attacks I'm afraid because Mastermind mojo already worked. Sentry is dealing with the aftermath. He's not fighting the direct influence of Mastermind. He's fighting the damage that has already been done. It also does not make him a competent psi talent either.
BTW Off the top of my head Emma Frost actually broke out of Masterminds hold by herself.
Pandemic who was reduced to a human broke out of Lady Masterminds psychosis eventually as well. Surprisingly quickly as well.
No, it doesn't show that at all. Sentry didn't know which crisis to handle first, that doesn't show a mental weakness in regards to not having psi training.
I never said it did. But it shows mental weakness. Which telepaths thrive on.
Mastermind made Sentry think that if he used his powers basically the world would end, Sentry was erasing his own memories and everyone else's. That was why sometimes he would remember, then he would erase the memory again.
Emma said she probably knew more about Mastermind's powers then he did, so I don't doubt she could break out of it.
Sentry being caught in Mastermind's powers isn't the same as someone who does not have telepathy, because Mastermind made it so Sentry was mindraping himself.
