Superman vs Sentry (for real)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Context please. Marvel doesn't use tactile kinesis. Sentry would have punched a hole through the Helicarrier if he just stayed stationary, he had to slow it's descent first.

But ever since Alex Ross had the Human Torch overload Sentry with heat, yeah. Apparently, Sentry can shrug off Terrax's blasts, Photon's blasts, the Collective's energies... and even overload the Absorbing Man... but he can't take the original Human Torch's heat. Granted, the original Human Torch, who had lost most of his powers was able to absorb enough heat that would have melted the North Pole and flooded the entire world... but still.

WWH shrugged off Human Torch's Super-Nova blast like it was nothing and was an even match for Sentry... and Sentry goes "Oh noez... the heat!!!11" against a blast of heat from the original Human Torch? Just being as close to the Sun as he was when throwing the Void and the Collective should be more heat than what Human Torch was flinging at him.

facepalm

Superman 8/10 after the debacle that is Avengers/Invaders. Captain America pummeling the crap out of Iron Man? Cap's shield being affected by magnetism? Sentry being overloaded by Human Torch? It can't get any worse...

Are we taking Avengers/Invaders as a canon source? I thought it didn't fit anywhere in the canon. (It should have happened before the annual since Doctor Strange is around, and before discovering the skrull Elektra because there are no comments about the skrulls and it escalated rather swiftly after finding it)

Doesn't matter. Superman would have killed him before that happened.

Only now, just a quick HV to the face will end it. 😛

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Doesn't matter. Superman would have killed him before that happened.

Only now, just a quick HV to the face will end it. 😛

I think its safe to say Supes wins, he can put his mind into a single time for longer than a few minutes.

And Sentry needed help against Wendihulk 😈

Originally posted by Bentley
Are we taking Avengers/Invaders as a canon source? I thought it didn't fit anywhere in the canon. (It should have happened before the annual since Doctor Strange is around, and before discovering the skrull Elektra because there are no comments about the skrulls and it escalated rather swiftly after finding it)

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Doesn't matter. Superman would have killed him before that happened.

Only now, just a quick HV to the face will end it. 😛

After Avengers/Invaders, yes. A heat-vision blast would end this fight. We'll see how Dark Avengers handles Sentry.

Only Sentry is above Namor in the Mighty Avengers team, Wonderman and Ms. Marvel could run up with him too, but Jim Hammond could hang a bit too.

But yes, those Avengers were in steroids, a powerhouse team.

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Considering how Sentry curbstomped Terrax, fought the Collective, overloaded Absorbing Man, matched World War Hulk, stalemated Photon and raped Dr. Doom. No. It was plenty debatable.

After Avengers/Invaders, yes. A heat-vision blast would end this fight. We'll see how Dark Avengers handles Sentry."

Let's see. Terrax: Low feat, Collective: ambiguous seeing as how he didn't really do ANYTHING to it, Creel: nice feat, but bullshit considering that Creel has absorbed better, WWH: he got shitcanned, and WWH is vastly overrated, Photon: good feat, except that Photon should have taken him apart and Ncieza didn't have a goddamn clue how to write Photon and Doom: again, nice, but not nearly "Superman-level."

Oh, and let's not forget his psychological issues, or his lack of power, or his lack of control, etc.

He's a 2nd rate.....no. Third or 4th rate Superman. And he is incapable of getting even 1 from the man of steel.

Ok, let me get this straight: Ultron fought the Mighty Avengers in the Venom incident, but a few months before that he fought in Avengers Invaders, and a little after that he fought against the Kree? Man, that's what I call multitasking.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Let's see. Terrax: Low feat, Collective: ambiguous seeing as how he didn't really do ANYTHING to it, Creel: nice feat, but bullshit considering that Creel has absorbed better, WWH: he got shitcanned, and WWH is vastly overrated, Photon: good feat, except that Photon should have taken him apart and Ncieza didn't have a goddamn clue how to write Photon and Doom: again, nice, but not nearly "Superman-level."

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Oh, and let's not forget his psychological issues, or his lack of power, or his lack of control, etc.

He's a 2nd rate.....no. Third or 4th rate Superman. And he is incapable of getting even 1 from the man of steel.

For you to consider he can't get 1 from Superman is bias at it's worst. Don't even suggest to me that you only feel this way after Sentry got overloaded by Human Torch. Your consistent and obvious downplaying of all of Sentry's high feats makes your bias evident and your opinion completely subjective and worthless.

Originally posted by Bentley
Ok, let me get this straight: Ultron fought the Mighty Avengers in the Venom incident, but a few months before that he fought in Avengers Invaders, and a little after that he fought against the Kree? Man, that's what I call multitasking.

People are being too hard on the Sentry for his recent string of low feats. I think the problem is that he's mostly showcased in team books. The same thing has happened to characters like Thor and Superman who have to be downplayed in team books for plot purposes.

Powerwise, Sentry was put on Supes' level, maybe even a little beyond.

In a fight, I would still give Supes the majority based on his ability to remain composed and psychologically in control.

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
People are being too hard on the Sentry for his recent string of low feats. I think the problem is that he's mostly showcased in team books. The same thing has happened to characters like Thor and Superman who have to be downplayed in team books for plot purposes.

Powerwise, Sentry was put on Supes' level, maybe even a little beyond.

In a fight, I would still give Supes the majority based on his ability to remain composed and psychologically in control.

Sentry is not on Supes level nor has his feats and hes def not above him. He may be meant to be on Supes level but falls short.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
Sentry is not on Supes level nor has his feats and hes def not above him. He may be meant to be on Supes level but falls short.

Actually, I agree, but I already gave him the thumbs up

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
Sentry is not on Supes level nor has his feats and hes def not above him. He may be meant to be on Supes level but falls short.

Hmm...

I still think Sentry is better than is recent showings would suggest.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
Sentry is not on Supes level nor has his feats and hes def not above him. He may be meant to be on Supes level but falls short.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree. Sentry has had his share of bad showings, but so has Superman. Superman has far more feats due to having thousands of more appearances.

its about quality more than quantity...

Edit.

what really bad showings has sentry had

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Please. Curbstomping Terrax is not a low feat. Terrax is a legitimate planet-buster. Overloading Creel might be BS to you, but attacking only his high-end feats while whole-heartedly accepting his lower feats is hardly reasonable logic. World War Hulk is overrated in your mind, but his list of feats says otherwise. Once again, attacking his highest-end feat of stalemating Photon suggests you simply have a bias that prevents you from ever looking at a non-DC character's feats reasonably. And please, Doom's forcefields and magic would give Superman more than a workout. Superman gets knocked around by Lex in his suit.
Since when does Superman get knowledge of Sentry's fear of the Void? Strike one. Since when has Sentry ever been shown to lack sufficient power to take on top-tiers? Strike two. Since when does Sentry's lack of control, and concomitantly busting out his power uncontrollably, a disadvantage against someone who perenially holds his own power in check? Strike three.

For you to consider he can't get 1 from Superman is bias at it's worst. Don't even suggest to me that you only feel this way after Sentry got overloaded by Human Torch. Your consistent and obvious downplaying of all of Sentry's high feats makes your bias evident and your opinion completely subjective and worthless.

Terrax is a chump. Has been for years. His cleaving a planet is his best feat in DECADES. 😐

WWH is overrated, only when put on a pedastal above legit high heralds and people who would kick his ass without the crappy writing of that story.

Creel makes no sense given Sentry's feats. He can overload Creel, who has tapped the Quantum Bands and Mjolnir, but he runs out of gas against Hulk, he got knocked out around by Shultron and yet somehow, we're supposed to believe he's stronger than Quasar and Thor? 👇

So you deny Ncieza was ****ing up in his characterization of Genis and that it was just a Worf Effect moment to establish Sentry?

Not very smart to bash him for taking a few hits from Lex Luthor's APOKOLIPTIAN (read: NEW GOD) BATTLESUIT. 🙄

I was refering to Sentry's lack of confidence, phobia of being outdoors and his lack of control. Strike 1.

He has never struck down anyone on Superman's level. Strike 2.

And since we've seen what Sentry can do when he gets out of control, and what Superman does WHILE HOLDING BACK, it's quite obvious that thus far, only Superman has reserves to fall back on, whereas Sentry ran out of gas against freaking Hulk. Strike 3.

Your bullshit and outright hatred of Superman has been exposed for the naked bias that it is. 🙄 Superman has the flatout better feats and stronger showings against superior opponents. Sentry cannot even match average Superman feats.

Originally posted by Nihilist
what really bad showings has sentry had