Originally posted by RaoulSentry has his share of quality too though. WW Hulk, Terrax, stalemating Photon before the bfr, overloading absorbing man, etc.
its about quality more than quantity...
I know Superman has more impressive showings, but give the Sentry some time. They are both in the same league.
Originally posted by fangirl101WW Hulk, Photon, Terrax to name a few.
What really Good showings has he had?
Originally posted by TricksterPriesti agree with a lot of this, but at the same time a major fact pops out to me: superman by right is the flagship character of dc, just like he-man is to his universe/comic, no body else is ALLOWED to outshine them in their own book. sentry on the other hand.... he's just a guy who takes orders from the leader of the avengers. he's not even a major player in marvel, he's like a goon in a squad...a powerful one, but still not much of a major player.
Terrax is a chump. Has been for years. His cleaving a planet is his best feat in DECADES. 😐WWH is overrated, only when put on a pedastal above legit high heralds and people who would kick his ass without the crappy writing of that story.
Creel makes no sense given Sentry's feats. He can overload Creel, who has tapped the Quantum Bands and Mjolnir, but he runs out of gas against Hulk, he got knocked out around by Shultron and yet somehow, we're supposed to believe he's stronger than Quasar and Thor? 👇
So you deny Ncieza was ****ing up in his characterization of Genis and that it was just a Worf Effect moment to establish Sentry?
Not very smart to bash him for taking a few hits from Lex Luthor's APOKOLIPTIAN (read: NEW GOD) BATTLESUIT. 🙄
I was refering to Sentry's lack of confidence, phobia of being outdoors and his lack of control. Strike 1.
He has never struck down anyone on Superman's level. Strike 2.
And since we've seen what Sentry can do when he gets out of control, and what Superman does WHILE HOLDING BACK, it's quite obvious that thus far, only Superman has reserves to fall back on, whereas Sentry ran out of gas against freaking Hulk. Strike 3.
Your bullshit and outright hatred of Superman has been exposed for the naked bias that it is. 🙄 Superman has the flatout better feats and stronger showings against superior opponents. Sentry cannot even match average Superman feats.
and sentry is weakened by his emotional instability, that's another reason why he's not a major player. he's just a man housing one of the most unpredictable powers in comicdome.
sentry at his best and with all his faculties is at least a major problem for superman since they have almost the same list of abilities.
I'll only agree with that statement if and when we see Sentry do better than the WWH fight and if we see him with his powers actually under his control.
We can't argue this based on potential. Sentry doesn't have the feats or the same level as Superman, regardless of what his potential powerset dictates. 😬
Originally posted by TricksterPriestDid you read the photon battle? He was shredding worlds while holding back. I think this fight could go either way personally, but I don't see Superman being able to hang in there and trade blows with the WW Hulk.
I'll only agree with that statement if and when we see Sentry do better than the WWH fight and if we see him with his powers actually under his control.We can't argue this based on potential. Sentry doesn't have the feats or the same level as Superman, regardless of what his potential powerset dictates. 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
Did you read the photon battle? He was shredding worlds while holding back. I think this fight could go either way personally, but I don't see Superman being able to hang in there and trade blows with the WW Hulk.
Originally posted by TricksterPriesthe also hasn't been in the same situations as superman. 😬
I'll only agree with that statement if and when we see Sentry do better than the WWH fight and if we see him with his powers actually under his control.We can't argue this based on potential. Sentry doesn't have the feats or the same level as Superman, regardless of what his potential powerset dictates. 😬
but another thing that's really important why sentry (so far) probably can't win.... if he lets out solar power.....supes feeds and gets better.
so no matter how powerful sentry gets, the stronger he makes superman unfortunately for him.
sentry needs to take control of the void in order for him to win, without it he either stalemates or most likely loses. it's just not a stomp in superman's favor.
Originally posted by psycho gundamThe Void so far is kinda cheap. The void had all the earth marvel heroes beaten into submission easily.
he also hasn't been in the same situations as superman. 😬but another thing that's really important why sentry (so far) probably can't win.... if he lets out solar power.....supes feeds and gets better.
so no matter how powerful sentry gets, the stronger he makes superman unfortunately for him.sentry needs to take control of the void in order for him to win, without it he either stalemates or most likely loses. it's just not a stomp in superman's favor.
Originally posted by fangirl101like quan pointed out earlier, the fight with genis comes to mind.
Lulz at people thinking that Sentry's near identical set to Superman makes him Super.Off top of my Head,
Konner also had a near Superman Set. He was no Superman.
average senty would lose, but sentry with all his faculties is a problem.
Supes has had tons of more feats than Sentry it is hard to compare. I would say Supes probably has more impressive feats, so hat might give him the edge. I'd say there close to the same ball park but obviously it is hard to tell. We are comparing from to different universes and since they do not fight the same people it is hard to tell. Both of them have had bad and good showings.
Statistically speaking Sentry has no real weaknesses like Supes, besides his weak psyche. While Supes is weak against magic (a weakness that I hate for him) and kryptonite.
So while it is impossible to tell right now, I would give it to Supes just from the more showings and of a majority of better quality ones. Only way I see Sentry winning is if you include the void in this. The Void took on most of marvel earth and held its own. If Sentry could harness the voids powers with his own I could see him winning potentially.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestWho has made terrax a chump? Guy was lifting up the island of Manhattan with his terra-kinesis powers or whatever the hell you call it. Surfer stomps on Terrax? That's a lowfeat? Go ahead and lowball World War Hulk, he's got feats. Running out of gas against World War Hulk is not a low feat, Superman has been knocked around by FAR less than Shultron and without the context of Sentry's fight with her. Which involved Sentry being ordered not to hurt Tony and distract Shultron. And before Avengers/Invaders I absolutely believe Sentry would take down Quasar and be a good match for Thor.
Terrax is a chump. Has been for years. His cleaving a planet is his best feat in DECADES. 😐WWH is overrated, only when put on a pedastal above legit high heralds and people who would kick his ass without the crappy writing of that story.
Creel makes no sense given Sentry's feats. He can overload Creel, who has tapped the Quantum Bands and Mjolnir, but he runs out of gas against Hulk, he got knocked out around by Shultron and yet somehow, we're supposed to believe he's stronger than Quasar and Thor? 👇
Originally posted by TricksterPriestWtf is the Worf effect? There was no need to establish Sentry. You're acting like Marvel fanboy KMC-posters kidnapped Nicieza and wrote a quick storyline just to amp up Sentry's level. Curbstomping Terrax and overloading Absorbing Man already put him near that level.
So you deny Ncieza was ****ing up in his characterization of Genis and that it was just a Worf Effect moment to establish Sentry?Not very smart to bash him for taking a few hits from Lex Luthor's APOKOLIPTIAN (read: NEW GOD) BATTLESUIT. 🙄
Now that I think about it, post-Crisis, the Apokoliptan battle-suit does make it's first appearance in Public enemies. Which is later destroyed by Superboy-Prime. And I can't remember whether in the last dozen issues of Justice League, during the Injustice League stories whether Lex was engaging Superman in his replacement suit of his own tech. I'll have to look at those issues again.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestSentry has never shown a lack of confidence when in a fight. He may be reluctant to get involved, but he never stops in the middle of the fight and goes, "Oh noez!!!1 I am so unconfident in my ability!!!11" distracts himself and gets sucker-punched. His lack of confidence makes him reluctant to fight, but once in a fight, it doesn't matter. Oh and his agoraphobia. You're going to assume that Sentry might just forfeit half of his fights by not even coming to the battle-field? Oh yes. I'm sure that's what the thread op was contemplating. And Sentry's lack of control over the Void has only hindered his fighting ability when there are innocents about or the character has intimate knowledge and preys on it specifically. Sentry stays in character, but his kind of CIS is not the kind of CIS that Superman will either know about, let alone be able to manipulate to his advantage. Unless of course... you sincerely think Sentry will forfeit his fights before showing up, despite the default rule of the combatants showing up. Strike 1.
I was refering to Sentry's lack of confidence, phobia of being outdoors and his lack of control. Strike 1.He has never struck down anyone on Superman's level. Strike 2.
And since we've seen what Sentry can do when he gets out of control, and what Superman does WHILE HOLDING BACK, it's quite obvious that thus far, only Superman has reserves to fall back on, whereas Sentry ran out of gas against freaking Hulk. Strike 3.
He crushed Terrax's hand like nothing. He blitzed the Collective out of Earth's orbit. He pummeled the crap out of World War Hulk. Strike 2.
Superman ran into Konvikt's fist and got KTFO. I can play the facetious lowballing game too. Burning yourself out against World War Hulk is not a low feat. WWH had the strength to halt classic Juggernaut's advance and one-shot She-Hulk, Thing, three-shot Invisible Woman's shields and Hercules. WWH had the durability to withstand Skrull-Bolt's voice that knocked a piece of the Moon the size of Rhode Island off and resist Zarathos' hellfire. WWH had the near-instant healing factor to recover from Kitty Pryde's phase into the ground and heal a gaping hole in his gut in one panel. Slap that altogether and Sentry did better than any foe involved save for maybe Zom Strange. Burning out against WWH is not a low feat. Strike 3.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestSentry's top feats of overloading Absorbing Man, curbstomping Terrax and stalemating friggin Photon easily put him in Superman's class. As for naked bias? Ha. When's the last time you ever gave a Marvel character a majority or better in a thread? In fact, point me to a few threads where you've given a Marvel the nod over a DC. Show me... let's say five posts.
Your bullshit and outright hatred of Superman has been exposed for the naked bias that it is. 🙄 Superman has the flatout better feats and stronger showings against superior opponents. Sentry cannot even match average Superman feats.
Anybody want to take bets as to how many times Tricksterpriest has posted that a Marvel character would win in a vs battle against a DC character? I'll be the house. PLACE YOUR BETS!
Originally posted by OneDumbG0👆
Who has made terrax a chump? Guy was lifting up the island of Manhattan with his terra-kinesis powers or whatever the hell you call it. Surfer stomps on Terrax? That's a lowfeat? Go ahead and lowball World War Hulk, he's got feats. Running out of gas against World War Hulk is not a low feat, Superman has been knocked around by FAR less than Shultron and without the context of Sentry's fight with her. Which involved Sentry being ordered not to hurt Tony and distract Shultron. And before Avengers/Invaders I absolutely believe Sentry would take down Quasar and be a good match for Thor.
Wtf is the Worf effect? There was no need to establish Sentry. You're acting like Marvel fanboy KMC-posters kidnapped Nicieza and wrote a quick storyline just to amp up Sentry's level. Curbstomping Terrax and overloading Absorbing Man already put him near that level.Now that I think about it, post-Crisis, the Apokoliptan battle-suit does make it's first appearance in Public enemies. Which is later destroyed by Superboy-Prime. And I can't remember whether in the last dozen issues of Justice League, during the Injustice League stories whether Lex was engaging Superman in his replacement suit of his own tech. I'll have to look at those issues again.
Sentry has never shown a lack of confidence when in a fight. He may be reluctant to get involved, but he never stops in the middle of the fight and goes, "Oh noez!!!1 I am so unconfident in my ability!!!11" distracts himself and gets sucker-punched. His lack of confidence makes him reluctant to fight, but once in a fight, it doesn't matter. Oh and his agoraphobia. You're going to assume that Sentry might just forfeit half of his fights by not even coming to the battle-field? Oh yes. I'm sure that's what the thread op was contemplating. And Sentry's lack of control over the Void has only hindered his fighting ability when there are innocents about or the character has intimate knowledge and preys on it specifically. Sentry stays in character, but his kind of CIS is not the kind of CIS that Superman will either know about, let alone be able to manipulate to his advantage. Unless of course... you sincerely think Sentry will forfeit his fights before showing up, despite the default rule of the combatants showing up. Strike 1.He crushed Terrax's hand like nothing. He blitzed the Collective out of Earth's orbit. He pummeled the crap out of World War Hulk. Strike 2.
Superman ran into Konvikt's fist and got KTFO. I can play the facetious lowballing game too. Burning yourself out against World War Hulk is not a low feat. WWH had the strength to halt classic Juggernaut's advance and one-shot She-Hulk, Thing, three-shot Invisible Woman's shields and Hercules. WWH had the durability to withstand Skrull-Bolt's voice that knocked a piece of the Moon the size of Rhode Island off and resist Zarathos' hellfire. WWH had the near-instant healing factor to recover from Kitty Pryde's phase into the ground and heal a gaping hole in his gut in one panel. Slap that altogether and Sentry did better than any foe involved save for maybe Zom Strange. Burning out against WWH is not a low feat. Strike 3.
Sentry's top feats of overloading Absorbing Man, curbstomping Terrax and stalemating friggin Photon easily put him in Superman's class. As for naked bias? Ha. When's the last time you ever gave a Marvel character a majority or better in a thread? In fact, point me to a few threads where you've given a Marvel the nod over a DC. Show me... let's say five posts.Anybody want to take bets as to how many times Tricksterpriest has posted that a Marvel character would win in a vs battle against a DC character? I'll be the house. PLACE YOUR BETS!