Darth Bane vs Darth Vader

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S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Darth Bane vs Darth Vader

The incarnations of characters:

- Orbalisk Bane
- OT Vader

Character Briefs:

- Orbalisk Bane: He is strong in the Force and a powerful and smart DLOTS. The orbalisk armor makes him stronger. He has a good command over Sith Lore and is also an exceptional saber duelist.

He uses Djem So.

- OT Vader: He is a master of the dark side of the Force. His cybernetic armor makes him physically very strong though not without weaknesses. He is a good saber duelist.

He uses Djem So and Dun Moch.

The place:

- Taris dueling chamber.

The fight:

- Fight type 1: Pure Saber duel
- Fight type 2: Pure Force contest
- Fight type 3: All out fight

Decide the winner...

Manslayer Restricted

Re: Darth Bane vs Darth Vader

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

- Orbalisk Bane: He is strong in the Force and a powerful and smart DLOTS. The orbalisk armor makes him stronger. He has a good command over Sith Lore and is also an exceptional saber duelist.

True, the orbalisk makes him stronger and according to DSSB he is physically stronger than vader because of his armour.

However he is alot slower with the orbalisks because the DSSB states each scale weighs 1 kilogram and if you read legacy or NEGTC, every inch of his body is covered with orbalisks save for his face.
Add up the weight of those and bane will be very very heavy thus slowing him down.

Both are very strong in the force thought its safe to assume vader has higher mastery of the force as he studied under sidious longer and has greater strength in the force.

In a force fight it be very close. Either one of them will win and as far as im concerned i dont think theres a definitive winner yet.

For a lightsaber duel i see vader taking this. Though bane memorised all of kasims saber sequences, when kasim used a different style that is unpredictable to him, he became sloggish and nearly killed by kasim.

Vaders lightsaber form is described as very dangerous, very lethel and unpredictable in RODV which will give vader an upperhand.

An all out fight would be close too

So far i wont define a winner yet

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

1. Bane wins. Yes, the orbalisks slow him down, but the suit slows Vader down as well, and the Orbalisks give Bane loads of protection. While Vader has to protect his entire body, Bane merely has to protect his head, which is a big advantage.

2. Close one, Bane has his Force Destruction ability, Vader has Force Crush. It really depends on who fires which attack first, and also whether or not the Orbalisks will protect bane from getting crushed.

3. Bane wins, Force is close but Bane is superior in a saber duel. It won't be easy, though.

Darth Subjekt The beginning of the end.

Vader's suit protects him from light lightsaber attacks, but Bane has the better protection. From that ALONE I will say Bane beats Vader, but not easily.

Force - I will say Vader. He's a master who has learned from the best there is. Granted that doesn't guarantee him uber-ness, but that along with his natural ability does. Vader could pull the orbalisks off of Bane's body which would hurt like hell, weaken him some and open up more targets so to speak, but i guess that would go in the all out category.

All out - depends on if they keep it to force or sabers and if Vader can do what i said above. Vader likes to use the force coupled with his surroundings, so I'll lean towards Vader 70/100.

I'm not undermining bane's ability here, I think he would win in sabers, but Vader I think would take the force fight, and perhaps the all out.

Manslayer Restricted

Originally posted by darthsith19
1. Bane wins. Yes, the orbalisks slow him down,
Orbalisks can be broken when hit harder and based on the evidence im leaning towards vader in a saber duel.

Orbalisks slow down bane tremendously because he has like what? 50-100 of them adding up to 80-100 kg extra weight?

And from what we have seen vader isnt as slow as what you think he is.

Bane got thrown off when he fought kasim because kasims saber form is unpredictable and rodv states that vaders form is very dangerous and at the same time unpredictable which gives vader the upperhand.

Only things bane has in advantage is his superior strength and orbalisks

This will be very close

Originally posted by darthsith19

2. Close one, Bane has his Force Destruction ability, Vader has Force Crush. It really depends on who fires which attack first, and also whether or not the Orbalisks will protect bane from getting crushed.
Orbalisks wouldnt really protect you from the force that much, So just because bane has orbalisks does it mean no strong user can kill him?
Originally posted by darthsith19

3. Bane wins, Force is close but Bane is superior in a saber duel. It won't be easy, though.
Vader uses his surroundings which is also a very big advantage and added to that his unpredictable saber form.

Im not saying this will be and easy fight seeing bane is close to vader in force mastery and skill in the force but however its my opinion vader wins

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Orbalisks can be broken when hit harder and based on the evidence im leaning towards vader in a saber duel.

They have to be hit really hard. Bane is gigantic and he was unable to break them. Didin't The Rise of Darth Vader say that Bane is physically stronegr than Vader? Can't remmeber where I heard that, though, so maybe not.

Orbalisks slow down bane tremendously because he has like what? 50-100 of them adding up to 80-100 kg extra weight?

50 to 100 is a huge range, and 50 to 100 means 50 to 100 kg, not 80 to 100. How much weight does Vader's armor add?

And from what we have seen vader isnt as slow as what you think he is.

And how slow do I think he is?

Bane got thrown off when he fought kasim because kasims saber form is unpredictable and rodv states that vaders form is very dangerous and at the same time unpredictable which gives vader the upperhand.

Vader's forum also contains many elements from jem So, which Bane has mastered. While it is unpredictable, it isn't a completely unknown form fo Bane like Kas'im's was.

Orbalisks wouldnt really protect you from the force that much, So just because bane has orbalisks does it mean no strong user can kill him?

Did I say that? No, I didn't, and prove that they wouldn't protect you from the Force. You can't, because we don't know what would happen. To Force Crush bane the orbalisks would have to be crushed, too.

Vader uses his surroundings which is also a very big advantage and added to that his unpredictable saber form.

Well, they are in the Taris dueling chamber. I don't know how much stuff is in there that vader can use to his advantage.

Manslayer Restricted

Originally posted by darthsith19
They have to be hit [b]really hard. Bane is gigantic and he was unable to break them. Didin't The Rise of Darth Vader say that Bane is physically stronegr than Vader? Can't remmeber where I heard that, though, so maybe not. [/B]
It was stated that bane is physically stronger than vader in DSSB and seeing vaders strength i dont think it would be that hard breaking them seeing that exar kun whom is physically inferior to vader could smash throuh mandalorian armour when he swung hardly

Originally posted by darthsith19

50 to 100 is a huge range, and 50 to 100 means 50 to 100 kg, not 80 to 100. How much weight does Vader's armor add?
Despite that it still slows down bane tremendously.

And it isnt the armour which is slowing down vader, its the mechanical limbs and its only four, it doesnt add much seeing he has performed acrobatic moves and fast enough speeds to face 3 jedi knights and kill them quickly.

Originally posted by darthsith19

And how slow do I think he is?
Not you but them, many people think vader is uber super slow

Originally posted by darthsith19

Vader's forum also contains many elements from jem So, which Bane has mastered. While it is unpredictable, it isn't a completely unknown form fo Bane like Kas'im's was.
And it is unknown to the many jedi vader fought because it doesnt purely follow the djem so sequence which bane memorised because it contains other steps and thus his customised form appears very different hence why it is dubbed unpredictable and very lethel.

Bane couldnt face his opponent who used an unpredictable form, while your right that it is completely unknown to him, vaders customised form was as well unknown to forte kulka and several other jedi he fought throughout his life

Originally posted by darthsith19

Did I say that? No, I didn't, and prove that they wouldn't protect you from the Force. You can't, because we don't know what would happen. To Force Crush bane the orbalisks would have to be crushed, too.
Well vader popped a head when it was encased in an air tight sealed chest, Jollyjim gave me that link but i dont have it, it is possible to kill your opponent without crushing his armour but crushing his body inside but seeing that the orbalisks are stuck to his skin, it wouldnt work.

However vader can crush them and his body as yousaid because he wtfpwned a medical room when he gets angry and easily crushed the droids and metal in the interior of the medical room. While in purge we see that he is able to blow back a thick metallic blast door and bend it easily

Originally posted by darthsith19

Well, they are in the Taris dueling chamber. I don't know how much stuff is in there that vader can use to his advantage.
Theres the chairs, the pillars etc, glass.

I think legend put this setting on purpose seeing that he doesnt like vader but vader did destroy a bridge in rodv, divert the waterfall flow and take down a massive tree larger than the pillar dooku brought down, Im pretty sure vader can take this due to his force mastery

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

It was stated that bane is physically stronger than vader in DSSB and seeing vaders strength i dont think it would be that hard breaking them seeing that exar kun whom is physically inferior to vader could smash throuh mandalorian armour when he swung hardly

Okay, we have noe established that bane is physically stronger than Vader, and that bane couldn't break the amulets. So why would Vsde be able to? For your Exar Kun analogy to work you would have to prove that mandalorian armor is equal to or stronger than orbalisks.

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Despite that it still slows down bane tremendously.

And it isnt the armour which is slowing down vader, its the mechanical limbs and its only four, it doesnt add much seeing he has performed acrobatic moves and fast enough speeds to face 3 jedi knights and kill them quickly.


I'm pretty sure it is the armor. General Grievous has mechanical limbs but he could still swing his lightsabers 16 times per second.

Not you but them, many people think vader is uber super slow

Well, he is slow compared to Maul, Yoda, Sidious, ROTS Kenobi ect.

And it is unknown to the many jedi vader fought because it doesnt purely follow the djem so sequence which bane memorised because it contains other steps and thus his customised form appears very different hence why it is dubbed unpredictable and very lethel.

Yeah, but it does have a lot of Djem So in it. Those other Jedi either didn't master Djem So or just weren't as good as Bane.

Bane couldnt face his opponent who used an unpredictable form, while your right that it is completely unknown to him, vaders customised form was as well unknown to forte kulka and several other jedi he fought throughout his life

I thought it was only described as unpredictable at the beginning of the book when he hadn't gotten used to the armor yet. And perhaps Forte didn't know Djem So.

However vader can crush them and his body as yousaid because he wtfpwned a medical room when he gets angry and easily crushed the droids and metal in the interior of the medical room. While in purge we see that he is able to blow back a thick metallic blast door and bend it easily

metal is greatly inferior to orbalisks. Just because Vader can crush metal objects doesn't mean that he can crush orbalisks. Lightsaber can cut through metal like it's nothing, but not orbalisks.

Manslayer Restricted

Originally posted by darthsith19
Okay, we have noe established that bane is physically stronger than Vader, and that bane couldn't break the amulets. So why would Vsde be able to? For your Exar Kun analogy to work you would have to prove that mandalorian armor is equal to or stronger than orbalisks.
Mandalorian iron is lightsaber resistant just as the orbalisks are and is described as indestructable by TOTJ dlots. Ill have the check that one again

Originally posted by darthsith19

I'm pretty sure it is the armor. General Grievous has mechanical limbs but he could still swing his lightsabers 16 times per second.
GG is fully metal thus he wouldnt have any limitations, Vader is mechanical and organic which does have many limitations,

Originally posted by darthsith19

Well, he is slow compared to Maul, Yoda, Sidious, ROTS Kenobi ect.
This is true, im not denying that

Originally posted by darthsith19

Yeah, but it does have a lot of Djem So in it. Those other Jedi either didn't master Djem So or just weren't as good as Bane.
This is not the case, it wasnt described as unpredictable just because it has djem so in it but because it is a completely unknown style that nobody had used before and also due tot he fact it didnt compramise of one style but several styles.

It is highly unlikely forte doesnt know the djem so stance seeing that soresu,djem so and ataru are used by MANY jedis during the kotor era, TOTJ and clone wars era so your point that they dont know djem so holds no water

Originally posted by darthsith19

I thought it was only described as unpredictable at the beginning of the book when he hadn't gotten used to the armor yet. And perhaps Forte didn't know Djem So.
It was described as unpredictable when he fought forte and kulka not when he fought chatak, He fought alot better and different during his fight with forte when compared to chatak
Originally posted by darthsith19

metal is greatly inferior to orbalisks. Just because Vader can crush metal objects doesn't mean that he can crush orbalisks. Lightsaber can cut through metal like it's nothing, but not orbalisks.
But the point is vader pwned a medical room at all, and his force crush isnt doing to break the orbalisks, its going to get pushed inwards to his body thus crushing bane.

Ok let me make it a little bit more clear for you, You know the royal medieval armour chainmail right? If a very large force is applied to the user wearing the chainmail, the user is going to get killed weather or not the chainmal breaks.

What im saying is the force crush will push in the orbalisks along with banes flesh because his armour isnt just 1 solid orbalisks, its many of them embedded on his flesh and using the force to push them inwards with his flesh using force crush wouldnt be hard seeing vaders force mastery , the orbalisks wouldnt have to be broken for a force attack to work on bane, If not bane would be invincible right? If not njo wouldnt be able to kill him right?

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Mandalorian iron is lightsaber resistant just as the orbalisks are and is described as indestructable by TOTJ dlots. Ill have the check that one again

Yes, however, just because each is described as being lightsaber resistent, that doesn't mean that they are resistent to the same level.

GG is fully metal thus he wouldnt have any limitations, Vader is mechanical and organic which does have many limitations,

I don't understand how that is different. Why would mechanical and organic be any different from just mechanical? I thought it was the machine parts that slowed Vader down (according to you) but the machine parts didn't slow Grievous down.

This is not the case, it wasnt described as unpredictable just because it has djem so in it but because it is a completely unknown style that nobody had used before and also due tot he fact it didnt compramise of one style but several styles.

It is highly unlikely forte doesnt know the djem so stance seeing that soresu,djem so and ataru are used by MANY jedis during the kotor era, TOTJ and clone wars era so your point that they dont know djem so holds no water

It is a stlye nobody ahs used before, however, it has elements from otehr forums, particularly Djem So, which bane has mastered. Point is, it will not be as unknown to Bane as Kas'ims' dual sabers form was.

Yes, I am certain that Forte knows of Djem So, but that doesn't eman he has amstered or even uses it. Somebody who has amstered it will know it far betetr than somebody who just knows of it.

But the point is vader pwned a medical room at all, and his force crush isnt doing to break the orbalisks, its going to get pushed inwards to his body thus crushing bane.

But you said "but seeing that the orbalisks are stuck to his skin, it wouldnt work." Bane's body won't be crushed it the orbalisks don't get crushed, imagine Bane standing there and suddenly his body gets condensed, the Orbalisks would get puleld off. Maybe Vader can pull them off, but it's going to be hard to pull off the OPrbalsiks while avoiding Bane's lightsaber, Force Destruction and otehr Force abilities.

Ok let me make it a little bit more clear for you, You know the royal medieval armour chainmail right? If a very large force is applied to the user wearing the chainmail, the user is going to get killed weather or not the chainmal breaks.

Because the chaimmail will get crushed with the body. It might not break, but it will crush.

What im saying is the force crush will push in the orbalisks along with banes flesh because his armour isnt just 1 solid orbalisks, its many of them embedded on his flesh and using the force to push them inwards with his flesh using force crush wouldnt be hard seeing vaders force mastery , the orbalisks wouldnt have to be broken for a force attack to work on bane, If not bane would be invincible right? If not njo wouldnt be able to kill him right?

So the Orbalisks would be pushed into Bane, huh? That might work, but then bane won't just be standing there, he will be atatcking Vader with saber or Force, too. I just think Bane will be able to win. Even if it doesn't work, yes, NJO Luke could kill Bane. He is so much better with a lightsaber that he could just go for Bane's head and win. He could block everything Bane throws at him. He could atatck Bane's head and win. No way Bane would beat NJO Luke.

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1- 50/50 chance, maybe a slight edge for Bane

2- Vader, His Force Mastery is higher then Banes, studied under the most powerful Sith Lord ever for 20 years...

3- Vader, can hold his own in a saber fight, better Force powers, knows about Bane, while Vader is a complete mystery for Bane, smarter fighter...

vader11 Senior Member

1. Probably bane but close.
2. Very close, I lean on vader.
3. Depends.

Manslayer Restricted

Originally posted by darthsith19
Yes, however, just because each is described as being lightsaber resistent, that doesn't mean that they are resistent to the same level.
But mandalorian iron is described as unbreakable and indestructable. Orbalisks are only described as highly resistant

Originally posted by darthsith19

I don't understand how that is different. Why would mechanical and organic be any different from just mechanical? I thought it was the machine parts that slowed Vader down (according to you) but the machine parts didn't slow Grievous down.
Because Just about every part of GG is metallic thus he does not have any limitations unlike vader

Originally posted by darthsith19

It is a stlye nobody ahs used before, however, it has elements from otehr forums, particularly Djem So, which bane has mastered. Point is, it will [b]not be as unknown to Bane as Kas'ims' dual sabers form was.
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It isnt the djem so which will throw bane off, its the other elements combined with it making a new and completely unknown form, thats why so many jedi couldnt face vader in a strait saber duel and thats where he got arrogant imo.
Originally posted by darthsith19

Yes, I am certain that Forte knows of Djem So, but that doesn't eman he has mastered or even uses it. Somebody who has amstered it will know it far betetr than somebody who just knows of it.
Forte doesnt have to master djem so to even know its sequence, The point is vaders form DOES NOT follow the djem so sequence because it isnt just a djem so form, its a form which compramises of other forms thus making it a very different custamised form.

And bane memorised the djem so sequence, when kasim used a different style with different sequences, bane gets shitted. And vader will employ this style of his where the sequence doesnt follow djem so.

Before you ask, prove that his form follows the djem so sequence

Originally posted by darthsith19

But you said "but seeing that the orbalisks are stuck to his skin, it wouldnt work." Bane's body won't be crushed it the orbalisks don't get crushed, imagine Bane standing there and suddenly his body gets condensed, the Orbalisks would get puleld off. Maybe Vader can pull them off, but it's going to be hard to pull off the OPrbalsiks while avoiding Bane's lightsaber, Force Destruction and otehr Force abilities.
It would hurt like hell to get orbalisks ripped out of your skin, and bane will be concentrating more on the pain than trying to kill his opponent

Originally posted by darthsith19

Because the chaimmail will get crushed with the body. It might not break, but it will crush.
You see, take a sledge hammer and beat the chainmail knight, the knight wearing the chainmail dies but the chainmail itself is undamaged.

The point is orbalisks are like chainmail, if you apply pressure on it and the user, the user dies, nothing happens to the orbalisks.

Originally posted by darthsith19

So the Orbalisks would be pushed into Bane, huh? That might work, but then bane won't just be standing there, he will be atatcking Vader with saber or Force, too.
Well when vader applys force crush bane would be immobalised thus not being able to do anything, Crush is an attack where the outline of your body gets pushed inwards by the force.

However like i said, bane is pretty strong too and i wouldnt say vader wins this easy.

If bane wins a force fight, it is only due to lightning

Originally posted by darthsith19

I just think Bane will be able to win. Even if it doesn't work, yes, NJO Luke could kill Bane. He is so much better with a lightsaber that he could just go for Bane's head and win. He could block everything Bane throws at him. He could atatck Bane's head and win. No way Bane would beat NJO Luke.
Luke can still kill bane weather he aims at banes head or not.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

But mandalorian iron is described as unbreakable and indestructable. Orbalisks are only described as highly resistant

Well whatever describes mandalorian iron as unbreakable and indestructable has been contradicted by TotJ then, hasn't it.

Because Just about every part of GG is metallic thus he does not have any limitations unlike vader

Again, I don't understand why all robot is faster than robot + flesh.

It isnt the djem so which will throw bane off, its the other elements combined with it making a new and completely unknown form, thats why so many jedi couldnt face vader in a strait saber duel and thats where he got arrogant imo.

Yes, the otehr elements may throw Bane off, but not to the extent that Kas'im's completely new dual sabers did, that's all I'm saying.

Forte doesnt have to master djem so to even know its sequence, The point is vaders form DOES NOT follow the djem so sequence because it isnt just a djem so form, its a form which compramises of other forms thus making it a very different custamised form.

And I'm agreeing that it isn't Djem So, but it contains a lot of Djem So. It is pretty much a modified / specilized version of Djem So.

It would hurt like hell to get orbalisks ripped out of your skin, and bane will be concentrating more on the pain than trying to kill his opponent

Agreed, but then we don't know if Vader can pull them off, let alone pull them off while Vader is attacking him.

You see, take a sledge hammer and beat the chainmail knight, the knight wearing the chainmail dies but the chainmail itself is undamaged.

Chainmail is light armor, it won't protect you from heavy blows - obviously, a lightsaber could slice right through chainmail, and it won't stop bullets or a lot of things, it is just light protection. It's completely different from orbalisks.

Luke can still kill bane weather he aims at banes head or not.

I know, I was saying if the Orbalisks blocked all Force attacks, NJO Luke would still be able to kill Bane.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Manslayer
Because Just about every part of GG is metallic

You must have seen ROTS, right?

GG have living organs inside his body.

Manslayer Restricted

Originally posted by darthsith19
Well whatever describes mandalorian iron as unbreakable and indestructable has been contradicted by TotJ then, hasn't it.
Wasn't that stated by totj itself? The point is any lightsaber can destroy your precious banes orbalisks, get over it

Originally posted by darthsith19

Again, I don't understand why all robot is faster than robot + flesh.
Because it does not have limitations where vader does, for fcuks sake cant you get this in your head?

Originally posted by darthsith19

Yes, the otehr elements may throw Bane off, but not to the extent that Kas'im's completely new dual sabers did, that's all I'm saying.
The point is bane didnt know kasims form as it did not follow the sequences he memorised

Originally posted by darthsith19

And I'm agreeing that it isn't Djem So, but it contains a lot of Djem So. It is pretty much a modified / specilized version of Djem So.
And the fact is that it does not follow the djem so sequence which bane memorised and along with that it is described as lethel and unpredictable, And when it doesnt follow a sequence bane has remembered, it throws his off completely.

That itself is stated by the omniscient narrator.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Agreed, but then we don't know if Vader can pull them off, let alone pull them off while Vader is attacking him.
And it isnt beyond his abilities to do so seeing his mastery in the force and the fact that he could rip a thick blast door and send it flying. It would be even easier ripping out an object embedded in some ones flesh

Originally posted by darthsith19

Chainmail is light armor, it won't protect you from heavy blows - obviously,
And orbalisks wont protect you from the force
Originally posted by darthsith19

a lightsaber could slice right through chainmail,
Was that the claim? I was using a metaphor and you blatantly fail to even try to understand it,

The point is bane will get effected by force attacks even with the orbalisks

Originally posted by darthsith19

and it won't stop bullets or a lot of things, it is just light protection. It's completely different from orbalisks.
Seethe above

Originally posted by darthsith19

I know, I was saying [b]if the Orbalisks blocked all Force attacks, NJO Luke would still be able to kill Bane. [/B]

Firstly prove that orbalisks block out force attacks. DSSB only stated that it is highly resistant to lightsaber attacks

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Wasn't that stated by totj itself? The point is any lightsaber can destroy your precious banes orbalisks, get over it

I don't know, if it was, then totj contradicted itself. They can be destroyed by a lightsaber, but not by Vader. Bane is physically stronger than Vader, and he couldn't break them so yeah, maybe Glaive could break them, but not Vader.

Because it does not have limitations where vader does, for fcuks sake cant you get this in your head?

No, because it doesn't make sense. I say the suit is what slows down Vader. You say it is because he is flesh mixed with robot. You can't just say flesh plus robot is slower than plain robot without proof.

The point is bane didnt know kasims form as it did not follow the sequences he memorised

wtf? What does that have to do with anything? How was that the point you were making at all? 🤨

And the fact is that it does not follow the djem so sequence which bane memorised and along with that it is described as lethel and unpredictable, And when it doesnt follow a sequence bane has remembered, it throws his off completely.

No, it is still a variant of Djem So, what can't you understand about that? Being unpredictable and not having Djem So in it aren't the same thing. Bane mastered many of the moves that Vader uses.

And it isnt beyond his abilities to do so seeing his mastery in the force and the fact that he could rip a thick blast door and send it flying. It would be even easier ripping out an object embedded in some ones flesh

An object, maybe, but, as you said yourself, Bane has 50-100 orbalisks.

Was that the claim? I was using a metaphor and you blatantly fail to even try to understand it,

Because it was a terrible metaphor, seeing as comparing chainmail and orbalisk armor is like comparing a butter knife to a lightsaber.

The point is bane will get effected by force attacks even with the orbalisks

That is unknown, actually.

Firstly prove that orbalisks block out force attacks. DSSB only stated that it is highly resistant to lightsaber attacks

Bane is about three times the size of Luke physically so Luke couldn't cut through the orbalisks. And wtf, it was you in the first place who brought up orbalisks blocking Force attacks.

Originally posted by Manslayerthe orbalisks wouldnt have to be broken for a force attack to work on bane, If not bane would be invincible right? If not njo wouldnt be able to kill him right?

You obviously don't understand, if you had read what I responded to you would know that I was responding to your IF. And we don't know if orbalisks can block the Force. I was saying you are wrong and that even IF orbalisks ccould block the Force NJO Luke would still beat Bane.

Manslayer Restricted

Originally posted by darthsith19
I don't know, if it was, then totj contradicted itself. They can be destroyed by a lightsaber, but not by Vader. Bane is physically stronger than Vader, and he couldn't break them so yeah, maybe Glaive could break them, but not Vader.
Prove vader cant break them seeing that he is physically strong and physically weaker opponents such as kun could break through mandalorian iron

Originally posted by darthsith19

No, because it doesn't make sense. I say the suit is what slows down Vader. You say it is because he is flesh mixed with robot. You can't just say flesh plus robot is slower than plain robot without proof.
Since you wont listen, i wont bother brining up this point seeing that it is irrelevant to the fight. Again the bottomline is bane + the orbalisks is heavier and slower than vader

Originally posted by darthsith19

wtf? What does that have to do with anything? How was that the point you were making at all? 🤨
The fact that bane could only effectively counter his opponents move when he memorsises the saber sequence and the fact that vader does not follow the djem so sequence seems to utterly destroy the your claim that bane can counter vader

Originally posted by darthsith19

No, it is still a variant of Djem So, what can't you understand about that?
Though it being a variant of djem so, it doesnt follow the pure djem so sequence which bane has memorised.

Because if it completely follows the djem so sequence then it would be pure djem so wouldn't it? It wouldn't be called a variant wouldn't it?

It doesnt follow a sequence bane remembers what can't you understand about that?

Originally posted by darthsith19

Being unpredictable and not having Djem So in it aren't the same thing. Bane mastered many of the moves that Vader uses.
Again whats your point? Being unpredictable in saber duel simply meaning your opponent cant predict what your going to do next.

And vaders variant of djem so doesnt follow the djem so sequence hence why it has been dubbed unpredictable in a situation where all his opponents couldnt predict what is his next move because it does not follow a sequence they recognise

Originally posted by darthsith19

An object, maybe, but, as you said yourself, Bane has 50-100 orbalisks.
And it isnt beyond vaders ability to pull out several objects at once either unless you want to prove vader cant do it seeing he could rip everything out of a bridge at once and flung a never ending barrage to roan

Originally posted by darthsith19

Because it was a terrible metaphor, seeing as comparing chainmail and orbalisk armor is like comparing a butter knife to a lightsaber.
The fact weather chainmail is as hard as orbalisk is completely not the point, See? You take things out of context and actually fail what i was trying to interpret.

The fact weather you wear chainmail, orbalisks, bullet proof vests or a medieval chest plate, A very big force applied onto the wearer will be enough to kill him without even breaking the armour.

Take a huge sledgehammer and beat it with full force against a swat officer, the impact is great enough to severely injure the wearer due to the pressure that the impact created, prehaps strong enough to even kill him

Originally posted by darthsith19

That is unknown, actually.
It is actually, You see? Your indirectly claiming bane may be immune to force strikes because he wears orbalisks without proof, The fact that no sources say so = bane CAN get effected by the force, Time for you to accept this and move on with life.

No where it states that orbalisks are force resistant, DSSB, wookiepedia, no where.

So yes the force can effect bane with the orbalisks

Originally posted by darthsith19

Bane is about three times the size of Luke physically so Luke couldn't cut through the orbalisks. And wtf, it was you in the first place who brought up orbalisks blocking Force attacks.
Thats because of this :
Originally posted by darthsith19

nd also whether or not the Orbalisks will protect bane from getting crushed.
So no, i only responded to that

Originally posted by darthsith19

You obviously don't understand, if you had read what I responded to you would know that I was responding to your [b]IF. And we don't know if orbalisks can block the Force. I was saying you are wrong and that even IF orbalisks ccould block the Force NJO Luke would still beat Bane. [/B]
Theres nothing to imply that orbalisks can block the force so no point speculating

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Prove vader cant break them seeing that he is physically strong and physically weaker opponents such as kun could break through mandalorian iron

As stated before, that is terrible logic. There is no way that logic will work until mandalorian armor is proven to be equal to or greater than Orbalisks. However, we do have absolute proof that Bane is physically stronger than Vader and that Bane couldn't break through the orbalisks. Which part about that don't you understand?

Since you wont listen, i wont bother brining up this point seeing that it is irrelevant to the fight. Again the bottomline is bane + the orbalisks is heavier and slower than vader

I am listening, it just doesn't make any sense, and you have not proven that robot is faster than robot + flesh. Prove that bane with Orbalisks is either heavier or slower than Vader. You can't just make a statement like that without proof.

The fact that bane could only effectively counter his opponents move when he memorsises the saber sequence and the fact that vader does not follow the djem so sequence seems to utterly destroy the your claim that bane can counter vader

Bane has beaten people in the dueling ring before, did he master all the moves of those people's saber forms? How about Sirak's buddies, Bane fought them did he master their moves? No, prove that Bane can only win when he knows all of his opponents moves.

Though it being a variant of djem so, it doesnt follow the pure djem so sequence which bane has memorised.

Because if it completely follows the djem so sequence then it would be pure djem so wouldn't it? It wouldn't be called a variant wouldn't it?

It doesnt follow a sequence bane remembers what can't you understand about that?


Have you read PoD? Sequences don't matter.

Again whats your point? Being unpredictable in saber duel simply meaning your opponent cant predict what your going to do next.

So then how did ANH Kenobi match Vader? How did Maul put up such a great fight against him? bane is superior to Maul and ANH kenobi with a blade. He will beat Vader in saber combat.

And it isnt beyond vaders ability to pull out several objects at once either unless you want to prove vader cant do it seeing he could rip everything out of a bridge at once and flung a never ending barrage to roan

Simply throwing objects at somebody isn't the same as pulling all the orbalisks off a person at once, and several objects isn't the same as 50 - 100 objects. Plus he would have to do it while blocking other attacks from Bane.

The fact weather you wear chainmail, orbalisks, bullet proof vests or a medieval chest plate, A very big force applied onto the wearer will be enough to kill him without even breaking the armour.

Point taken. If the death star shot Bane it would kill him right through the orbalisks, you are correct.

It is actually, You see? Your indirectly claiming bane may be immune to force strikes because he wears orbalisks without proof, The fact that no sources say so = bane CAN get effected by the force, Time for you to accept this and move on with life.

Just wait for the next bane novel to be released. Bane is greater than Vader.

The cover of PoD says that Bane is stronger than the entire Brotherhood of Darkness combined. He can beat Vader.

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Originally posted by darthsith19
As stated before, that is terrible logic. There is no way that logic will work until mandalorian armor is proven to be equal to or greater than Orbalisks. However, we do have absolute proof that Bane is physically stronger than Vader and that Bane couldn't break through the orbalisks. Which part about that don't you understand?
The thing is it doesnt matter weather it equals to mandalorian armour or not, All im proving here is that orbalisks can be broken, because DSSB states than it is highly resisant not immune. Get over it darthsith, anybody can break orbalisks if they hit hard enough because no where it states that orbalisks are immune to saber strikes,

Originally posted by darthsith19

Prove that bane with Orbalisks is either heavier or slower than Vader. You can't just make a statement like that without proof.
Wait i havnt proved how robot is faster than robot + flesh? GG is alot more agile than vader is apparantly, Even lumiya with prosthetic limbs is slower than GG.

And one thing darth sith, You ALWAYS ask for prove when you have yet to prove up. Firstly having 100 extra kilograms of weight IS going to slow you down, Its pure common sense, i dont have to get evidence to prove that beause IF i DO need to do that for your sake:

1) You lack common sense
2) You are an idiot

Now we have seen vader throughout his life, He isnt slow, He Isnt as heavy as bane seeing that despite being in his suit, he still can perform acrobatics as he did in RODV, Purge, Empire betrayel when he used the force to fly and cut a piece of debris.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Bane has beaten people in the dueling ring before, did he master all the moves of those people's saber forms? How about Sirak's buddies, Bane fought them did he master their moves? No, prove that Bane can only win when he knows all of his opponents moves.
Thank you darthsith, You had just backed up my statement. Bane can beat an opponent when he knows all of his moves and sadly bane does not know vaders custamised form sequence which will then make bane wonder what is vaders make move as he did to kasim and in the end get tooled

Originally posted by darthsith19

Have you read PoD? Sequences don't matter.
It does, Ill hand you your ass with this quote

Even his enormous command of the force was unable to anticipate the unfamiliar sequences of the two handed fighting style

Now, he is unfamiliar to the sequences of the jar kai style because he had not seen it before, Its the same for vaders case, he doesnt know the sequence that vader goes through

Originally posted by darthsith19

So then how did ANH Kenobi match Vader? How did Maul put up such a great fight against him? bane is superior to Maul and ANH kenobi with a blade. He will beat Vader in saber combat.
Wasn't kenobi described as one of the orders greatest swordsman? And the fact that before their ANH encounter they have been through thousands of sparring practises before their duel on mustafar?

And also that maul is simply the better dueler than vader? As various sources pointed out? That he pushes his body and style beyond the limits

Originally posted by darthsith19

Simply throwing objects at somebody isn't the same as pulling all the orbalisks off a person at once, and several objects isn't the same as 50 - 100 objects. Plus he would have to do it while blocking other attacks from Bane.

Again you fail to notice vader has ripped metal from metal, something much harder to do than ripping out objects from flesh and he did that to metal very quickly in the purge.

Did you even bother to read my posts? Or are you trying to satisfy your egos? And how is bane going to attack when he is concentrating on the pain vader is inflicting? Vader pulling off those orbalisks which causes tremendous pain, that itself would effect banes performance.

And why would vader even need to pull off the orbalisks? A wearer with the orbalisks still can get killed by the force

Originally posted by darthsith19

Point taken. If the death star shot Bane it would kill him right through the orbalisks, you are correct.
Because it his highly resistant not immune and any body who has hit hard enough can break it, this has been proven numerous times in the past when acstyles, lightsnake and subjeckt were argueing with nebaris

Originally posted by darthsith19

Just wait for the next bane novel to be released. Bane is greater than Vader.
Prove it. Bane is greater than vader in accomplishes? Certeinly but power as of now? No

Oh and when the force unleashed comes out, vader is going to be even more powerful than bane seeing that his inferior apprentice can pull star destroyers out of the sky

Originally posted by darthsith19

The cover of PoD says that Bane is stronger than the entire Brotherhood of Darkness combined. He can beat Vader.

And lucas states PT jedi > Kotor era and > brother hood of darkness.

Along with that sidious states among the tens and thousands of jedi knights, most of them are not even half of what vader is