Darth Bane vs Darth Vader

Look, it would be a very close fight between Darth Vader and Darth Bane. Darth Bane has his orbalisk which protect him and heal him almost instantly and also make him stronger in the darkside of the force. But the orbalisk can be killed by force lightning or anykind of electricution as we see in Darth Bane Rule of Two. Since Darth Bane is aware of this problem though it would be very hard for Vader to pull off a force lightning attack without Bane catching it with his lightsaber and deflecting it. Bane is also a master with his lightsaber and after his near defeat by his former master Kas'im you know he would have studied all the lightsaber styles because that's what Bane does. He seeks to find all knowledge of the darkside and darkside arts no matter if it kills him in the process. He is also a quick learner and brilliant tactician and is a true Sith Lord.

Now for Vader. Darth Vader is powerful and it is true he is exceptional with his lightsaber skills but what no one seems to think about or realize is that he is not nearly as powerful as Darth Vader as he was as Anakin Skywalker. Why you ask, I'll tell you. We all know about midichlorians. Well when you start to lose pieces of your body you lose midichlorians. It's ok to lose something like a hand like Luke Skywalker, but Anakin lost his arms and his legs. Because of this he became less powerful in the force though he was still very powerful. If you have read Legacy of the Force books you know that Darth Vader could never be a true Sith Lord. Now in Darth Vaders defense, just because you are not as strong in the force does not mean you cannot use the force better than someone who is stronger in the force. It depends on the individual. All being stronger in the force means is that when you use the force it takes less of a toll on your body physically. Take Kyp Durron for example. In one of the New Jedi Order books Luke uses the force so much he passes out for several hours afterward. Kyp Durron has to do the same thing Luke did later on but he knows he is stronger in the force and after he does it he just has a bad headache. But even though Kyp Durron is stronger in the force Luke skywalker still defeats him when they are sparring because he is more knowledgable in the force than Kyp and is a master with his lightsaber. So it depends on the person and their knowledge of the force. But on the downside even though Darth Sidious was Vaders master, Sidious would surely have not taught Vader to much so he could still impose his will on him and keep him his servant. Just like in the movies when Vader wants Luke to help him defeat Sidious. Why didn't he do it himself? Because he didn't have enough knowledge and was not as powerful as everyone thinks.

So sorry Darth Vader fans myself include but Bane wins hands down. Would be a good fight though.

Originally posted by baneswrath
Look, it would be a very close fight between Darth Vader and Darth Bane. Darth Bane has his orbalisk which protect him and heal him almost instantly and also make him stronger in the darkside of the force. But the orbalisk can be killed by force lightning or anykind of electricution as we see in Darth Bane Rule of Two. Since Darth Bane is aware of this problem though it would be very hard for Vader to pull off a force lightning attack without Bane catching it with his lightsaber and deflecting it. Bane is also a master with his lightsaber and after his near defeat by his former master Kas'im you know he would have studied all the lightsaber styles because that's what Bane does. He seeks to find all knowledge of the darkside and darkside arts no matter if it kills him in the process. He is also a quick learner and brilliant tactician and is a true Sith Lord.

Now for Vader. Darth Vader is powerful and it is true he is exceptional with his lightsaber skills but what no one seems to think about or realize is that he is not nearly as powerful as Darth Vader as he was as Anakin Skywalker. Why you ask, I'll tell you. We all know about midichlorians. Well when you start to lose pieces of your body you lose midichlorians. It's ok to lose something like a hand like Luke Skywalker, but Anakin lost his arms and his legs. Because of this he became less powerful in the force though he was still very powerful. If you have read Legacy of the Force books you know that Darth Vader could never be a true Sith Lord. Now in Darth Vaders defense, just because you are not as strong in the force does not mean you cannot use the force better than someone who is stronger in the force. It depends on the individual. All being stronger in the force means is that when you use the force it takes less of a toll on your body physically. Take Kyp Durron for example. In one of the New Jedi Order books Luke uses the force so much he passes out for several hours afterward. Kyp Durron has to do the same thing Luke did later on but he knows he is stronger in the force and after he does it he just has a bad headache. But even though Kyp Durron is stronger in the force Luke skywalker still defeats him when they are sparring because he is more knowledgable in the force than Kyp and is a master with his lightsaber. So it depends on the person and their knowledge of the force. But on the downside even though Darth Sidious was Vaders master, Sidious would surely have not taught Vader to much so he could still impose his will on him and keep him his servant. Just like in the movies when Vader wants Luke to help him defeat Sidious. Why didn't he do it himself? Because he didn't have enough knowledge and was not as powerful as everyone thinks.

So sorry Darth Vader fans myself include but Bane wins hands down. Would be a good fight though.

Umm sir you did make some mistakes let me list the three biggest i see

1.Vader cannot throw lightning..... at least without damaging himself

2.midi-chlorians are counted per cell and vader's lost of "power" were for mental reasons

3. Kyp is not stronger in the force then Luke i may be mistaken but i think the authored cleared that up

1. I admit that I have no prior knowledge of Darth Vader not being able to throw lightning but that only proves my point that Darth Bane has an even bigger advantage but still my apologies.

2. Midi-chlorians being counted per cell still proves my point that if you lose most of your body which those cells are in you become weaker in the force and it is not just something I came up with it is stated several times in the Legacy of the Force series so there is no mistake.

3. Kyp durron is stronger in the force than Luke Skywalker. I have read the entire New Jedi Orders Series where this is stated and then proved in the book and the entire Legacy of the Force series and am currently on the second book in the Dark Nest Trilogy so unless it is stated other wise in the last Dark Nest book there is still no mistake.

If Vader can't block Bane's Lightning with his Lightsaber, he's screwed, end of story. And where exactly is it stated that losing body parts decreases one's Force apptitude?

Originally posted by Lucien A
If Vader can't block Bane's Lightning with his Lightsaber, he's screwed, end of story. And where exactly is it stated that losing body parts decreases one's Force apptitude?

Maybe the fact that Vader never reached his full potential.

Starkiller used lightning on Vader, and it didn't do too much damage.

Starkiller ain't Bane know is he? And Vader having been nearly immolated and forced to walk around in an iron lung makes no-nevermind to his abilities?

Originally posted by Lucien A
Starkiller ain't Bane know is he? And Vader having been nearly immolated and forced to walk around in an iron lung makes no-nevermind to his abilities?

No not Bane, but a bit more potent with the Force.

It is in the Legacy of the Force book Betrayal pg 411 told to Jacen Solo by the Dark Lady of the Sith Lumiya who would become Jacen's master in the darkside and lead Jacen to finally become Darth Ceadus.

Originally posted by baneswrath
1. I admit that I have no prior knowledge of Darth Vader not being able to throw lightning but that only proves my point that Darth Bane has an even bigger advantage but still my apologies.

2. Midi-chlorians being counted per cell still proves my point that if you lose most of your body which those cells are in you become weaker in the force and it is not just something I came up with it is stated several times in the Legacy of the Force series so there is no mistake.

3. Kyp durron is stronger in the force than Luke Skywalker. I have read the entire New Jedi Orders Series where this is stated and then proved in the book and the entire Legacy of the Force series and am currently on the second book in the Dark Nest Trilogy so unless it is stated other wise in the last Dark Nest book there is still no mistake.

1. No problem 🙂 While this would give Bane the advantage let's not forget that Vader could take some lightning like he did in TFU from starkilller (it slowed his momentum down) and that in the all out Vader has a Saber to block with.

2.No i mean that your force potential relies on the amount of midi-chlorians per cell so you could lose a finger, a hand, an arm, or a good chunk of your torso you still have the same midi-chlorian concentration per cell. And palpatine said that sith power resided in the mind not the flesh or something to that effect palps beliefs> lumiya's beliefs that and if midi-chlorains we on a mass basis then yoda would be weak and fat jedi would be strong in the force.

3.http://www.aaronallston.com/faqswars.html#all The author said that kyp thought he was stronger then luke not that he was towards the end of the interview.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No not Bane, but a bit more potent with the Force.

Originally posted by Lucien A
But as potent with Force Lightning? Wait... scratch that question. You're gonna use game mechanics and pixelated construction machines as an example.

No i don't use game mechanics. I don't own one SW game, or any video game. I do however own TFU comic and novel, and from what i read and seen, Starkiller is pretty amazing with lightning.

Originally posted by baneswrath
1. I admit that I have no prior knowledge of Darth Vader not being able to throw lightning but that only proves my point that Darth Bane has an even bigger advantage but still my apologies.

2. Midi-chlorians being counted per cell still proves my point that if you lose most of your body which those cells are in you become weaker in the force and it is not just something I came up with it is stated several times in the Legacy of the Force series so there is no mistake.

3. Kyp durron is stronger in the force than Luke Skywalker. I have read the entire New Jedi Orders Series where this is stated and then proved in the book and the entire Legacy of the Force series and am currently on the second book in the Dark Nest Trilogy so unless it is stated other wise in the last Dark Nest book there is still no mistake.

Kyp is not stronger than Luke in LOTF. I remember reading in one of the books that Jacen(Caedus) is stronger than the rest of the jedi, except for luke. So Luke > Jacen > Kyp.

Who knows whether Palpatines beliefs are correct or Lumiyas from Legacy of the Force book Betrayal pg 411. I understand what your saying about the midi-cholorians. Lumiya also says that a Siths power comes from their emotions but also says that because she lost most of her body that she cannot ever use the greatest of the Sith Lord powers later on in the book when she stares sadly at her mostly machine body. This is a question that the authors need to correct. I wish that the authors of these books would quit messing with the force. They are always changing it, trivializing it, making it confusing and hard to understand. I wish it was like the old days when good was good and bad was bad. A Jedi went out and got rid of the bad guy. Anyway I read the post about Kyp Durron where the author says it was Kyp who thought he was stronger that Luke and that he never actually said it. This is true. Kyp has to attempt the same thing Luke did that made him pass out for several hours. Kyp say's I know I'm stronger than Luke I have felt it. Then he does the same thing and only has a splitting headache afterward. To me that proved it. So why is this author being so confusing? Who cares if Kyp is stronger in the force than Luke he wouldn't be the first. Luke can still get rid of him in a fight. These are the kind of things in the books that I don't like. When the authors hide behind the words they have the characters say even though the actions they have the characters do show the opposite. The author needs to clear this up in a better. Sorry I was ranting.

Jacen only becomes stronger because he has more training after his 5 year search of the force and when he becomes Darth Ceadus.

The internal musings of the most knowledgeable Force user in the mythos versus the deceptive speeches of a relatively ignorant and unestablished Sith aspirant.

Yeah, I'm going with Palpatine on this one.

Originally posted by baneswrath
Who knows whether Palpatines beliefs are correct or Lumiyas from Legacy of the Force book Betrayal pg 411. I understand what your saying about the midi-cholorians. Lumiya also says that a Siths power comes from their emotions but also says that because she lost most of her body that she cannot ever use the greatest of the Sith Lord powers later on in the book when she stares sadly at her mostly machine body. This is a question that the authors need to correct. I wish that the authors of these books would quit messing with the force. They are always changing it, trivializing it, making it confusing and hard to understand. I wish it was like the old days when good was good and bad was bad. A Jedi went out and got rid of the bad guy. Anyway I read the post about Kyp Durron where the author says it was Kyp who thought he was stronger that Luke and that he never actually said it. This is true. Kyp has to attempt the same thing Luke did that made him pass out for several hours. Kyp say's I know I'm stronger than Luke I have felt it. Then he does the same thing and only has a splitting headache afterward. To me that proved it. So why is this author being so confusing? Who cares if Kyp is stronger in the force than Luke he wouldn't be the first. Luke can still get rid of him in a fight. These are the kind of things in the books that I don't like. When the authors hide behind the words they have the characters say even though the actions they have the characters do show the opposite. The author needs to clear this up in a better. Sorry I was ranting.

You're right. Who know if palps or lumiya's belief were correct but, likely palp's were considering he is the greatest sith lord ever (just ask lighsnake or gideon they will write you a novel about why he is). His belief is augumented by the fact that like i said small jedi can and have been powerful. On top of everything palps opinion does not contradict canon, so it is likely that lumiya was just talking garbage. What is it that Kyp did so well that you think he is stronger in the force then Luke, can you tell me what is the book too? About the rant it's alright, authors do contradict themselves back to back, i remember when in LOFT Betrayal it was said that the GA is composed of hundreds of worlds. 😮‍💨

It is in one of the New Jedi Order books against the yuuzhan vong where Luke turns a dovil basil inside out and it destroys the creature it is protecting. Luke uses so much of the force to do it he passes out for hours afterward. Kyp has to do the same thing later on in the series where he turns the dovin basil of one of the yuuzhan vong ships inside out and afterwards he only has a headache. As for the book itself that these things are written in I'm sorry but I just don't have the energy to go through them all and find it. There are just to many of them.

Originally posted by baneswrath
It is in one of the New Jedi Order books against the yuuzhan vong where Luke turns a dovil basil inside out and it destroys the creature it is protecting. Luke uses so much of the force to do it he passes out for hours afterward. Kyp has to do the same thing later on in the series where he turns the dovin basil of one of the yuuzhan vong ships inside out and afterwards he only has a headache. As for the book itself that these things are written in I'm sorry but I just don't have the energy to go through them all and find it. There are just to many of them.

Mastering one technique to a degree that is superior to another person is not necessarily indicative of superior power.

I can see why Palp could be the greatest sith lord ever. He decimated the jedi order with ease, he had the ability to read the future probably better than anyone, he bested Yoda and sent him into hiding. He had Darth Vader by the balls. I wish there was a book about him and Darth Plagueis.

This is true about mastering the technique but it was the first time both of them had tried to do it. Luke did it but suffered the consequences unlike Kyp. Kyp may have just been better that way in the force than Luke instead of being stronger.