Originally posted by Darth Sexy
What the **** are you smoking? The properties of the amulet blast are completely different than that of his sith magic, which was the exact same property as Aleema's blast. You lose.
I don't know, maybe Kun learned how to control the amulet and didn't use it to it's full extent on Aleems, just enough to knock her out. All I know it here is the blast he uses on Aleema:
And it starts at the spot where his amulet is. Then the next page:
That is the exact same substance that hit Aleema. It is coming from Kun's amulet, and Kun even says "What--! The Amulets!" And then the narration says "The light from the ancient talisman expands..."
That is proof that it was the amulet that he used on Aleema.
Originally posted by darthsith19
I don't know, maybe Kun learned how to control the amulet and didn't use it to it's full extent on Aleems, just enough to knock her out.
Originally posted by Advent
The blast didn't even so much as put a burn on Aleema's dress, even if it was toned down - there isn't even a little singe. He was actually mad, as you can obviously tell by his dialogue to Aleema when she claimed him to be a "pretender".
Furthermore, one should note that he was actually there to kill Aleema.
If he was capable of adjusting the intensity of the blast (which I'd argue he could by that time, anyways) and his objective was to eliminate Aleema, to say that he would only use "enough [power] to knock her out" doesn't compute in the least bit.
That is the exact same substance that hit Aleema.
If you want to talk comparisons, then simply compare the energy Aleema unleashes just a panel prior to Kun's attack on her, as shown in the picture you've provided.
While different in color (which wouldn't necessarily be unusual), it almost appears to be "the same exact substance" that Aleema used.
It is coming from Kun's amulet, and Kun even says "What--! The Amulets!" And then the narration says "The light from the ancient talisman expands..."
...Yes, and that "light" is emanating simply because the amulets are near each other, which is what caused Marka Ragnos to appear as both the narration and other various sources confirm.
If we followed your premise, the glow resonating from both of their amulets would've had to been unleashed by them, which it wasn't - as the dark energy is released voluntarily using the "dark rage" in one's heart, that is stated to be the only way its formed.
To see it unleash involuntarily suggests that it wasn't the "same substance", despite the similarities in appearance. As well, even Ulic's extremely weak rays of energy look nothing like Kun's attack against Aleema (which implies that even an impotent blast is still solid in its appearance [while Kun's took an irregularly curved design suggesting it wasn't the same attack]).
That is proof that it was the amulet that he used on Aleema.
Hardly.
Originally posted by Advent
The reasons that would actually lead one to believe that it wasn't an amulet blast is pretty simple:1.) The apparent form the blast took looked similar in design as the blast Aleema demonstrated one panel prior, it radically differs from the amulet blasts we see earlier on by that it's doesn't look like Goku's Kamehahahahahaha blast, or whatever (by that it's squiggly lines, and red).
2.) If you will, note his dialogue:
"Pretender! Nadd has only taught you the beginnings of Sith power, woman -- but I have learned everything!"
This seems to indicate that he was using the same attack except with more power, so as to show Aleema that what he has learned of Sith magic topples Aleema's own. She also calls him a "pretender", and it would make sense to even prove that he wasn't by using the same type of attack back at Aleema.
3.) The blast didn't even so much as put a burn on Aleema's dress, even if it was toned down - there isn't even a little singe. He was actually mad, as you can obviously tell by his dialogue to Aleema when she claimed him to be a "pretender". No burns? Different design? Dialogue? I'd say it was hardly an amulet blast.
I would suppose that you'd have a case if I couldn't challenge your supposed "proof", however, I can and have, and added my own proof from months ago.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBeing a military tactician doesnt garentee victory in a fight, I guess thrawn would own mandalore in a fight then seeing he is an even better tactician than revanRevan has got higher chances to win in an all out encounter because apart from being a powerful warrior, he is very smart and a great tactician. Though the fight would be very close.
Furthermore, one should note that he was actually there to kill Aleema.If he was capable of adjusting the intensity of the blast (which I'd argue he could by that time, anyways) and his objective was to eliminate Aleema, to say that he would only use "enough [power] to knock her out" doesn't compute in the least bit.
If you want to talk comparisons, then simply compare the energy Aleema unleashes just a panel prior to Kun's attack on her, as shown in the picture you've provided.While different in color (which wouldn't necessarily be unusual), it almost appears to be "the same exact substance" that Aleema used.
Yeah, so? Doesn't Aleema have an amulet?
...Yes, and that "light" is emanating simply because the amulets are near each other, which is what caused Marka Ragnos to appear as both the narration and other various sources confirm.If we followed your premise, the glow resonating from both of their amulets would've had to been unleashed by them, which it wasn't - as the dark energy is released voluntarily using the "dark rage" in one's heart, that is stated to be the only way its formed.
To see it unleash involuntarily suggests that it wasn't the "same substance", despite the similarities in appearance. As well, even Ulic's extremely weak rays of energy look nothing like Kun's attack against Aleema (which implies that even an impotent blast is still solid in its appearance [while Kun's took an irregularly curved design suggesting it wasn't the same attack]).
It doesn't matter why the substance is appearing, all that matters is that it is clearly the same thing that came out before. Both came from the amulet. Why it came from the amulet is irrelevent.
3.) The blast didn't even so much as put a burn on Aleema's dress, even if it was toned down - there isn't even a little singe. He was actually mad, as you can obviously tell by his dialogue to Aleema when she claimed him to be a "pretender". No burns? Different design? Dialogue? I'd say it was hardly an amulet blast.
2.) If you will, note his dialogue:"Pretender! Nadd has only taught you the beginnings of Sith power, woman -- but I have learned everything!"
This seems to indicate that he was using the same attack except with more power, so as to show Aleema that what he has learned of Sith magic topples Aleema's own. She also calls him a "pretender", and it would make sense to even prove that he wasn't by using the same type of attack back at Aleema.
Wrong. It merely meant that he was going to use Sith Power. Which he did, since the amulet is Sith power.
You would think after my extensive leave from this forum, you would've improved slightly, but apparently not.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Where does it say that he was there to kill her?
"Kun has come to kill his potential rivals...Ulic Qel-Droma and Aleema!".
You were saying?
he says he is there to kill Ulic, because Ulic is a threat to him. However, he doesn't view Aleema as a threat, so why would he wish to kill her?
If you actually bothered to read the source material itself, rather than just steal a few pages from a website in an attempt to support your claim, you'd perhaps realize that Kun, indeed, was there to eliminate not only Ulic, but Aleema herself.
Due to the fact that when Freedon Nadd's spirit was destroyed via Sadow's gauntlet, he reaches out with his last ounce of strength to warn Satal and Aleema about Kun's power and ambition, as well that he is a "pretender to the Sith legacy" (which is why Aleema ridicules him and pronounces him a "pretender"😉.
Also,
Originally posted by Advent
Furthermore, one should note that he was actually there to kill Aleema.If he was capable of adjusting the intensity of the blast (which I'd argue he could by that time, anyways) and his objective was to eliminate Aleema, to say that he would only use "enough [power] to knock her out" doesn't compute in the least bit.
The onus is on you to address this now since I've proven up on my end.
Yeah, so? Doesn't Aleema have an amulet?
Again, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about:
Qel-Droma receives the amulet from Keto prior to Kun waltzing in the citadel where they're situated at. Ergo,
Originally posted by Advent
If you want to talk comparisons, then simply compare the energy Aleema unleashes just a panel prior to Kun's attack on her, as shown in the picture you've provided.While different in color (which wouldn't necessarily be unusual), it almost appears to be "the same exact substance" that Aleema used.
Furthermore,
Originally posted by Advent
1.) The apparent form the blast took looked similar in design as the blast Aleema demonstrated one panel prior, it radically differs from the amulet blasts we see earlier on by that it's doesn't look like Goku's Kamehahahahahaha blast, or whatever (by that it's squiggly lines, and red).
Originally posted by Advent
As well, even Ulic's extremely weak rays of energy look nothing like Kun's attack against Aleema (which implies that even an impotent blast is still solid in its appearance [while Kun's took an irregularly curved design suggesting it wasn't the same attack]).
QED.
It doesn't matter why the substance is appearing, all that matters is that it is clearly the same thing that came out before.
You certainly don't know the properties of the amulet itself or how it operates rather.
It focuses the "dark rage in one's heart" to form beams of dark side energy. Therefore, the only way the energy would've been unleashed would be of his own will. If that's the case, then the energy emanating from the amulets would've been produced voluntarily, which it clearly wasn't.
The mere fact that the glow looked alike (Kun's offensive against Aleema and when the amulets were near each other) is likely due to the fact the amulet itself was formed using Sith magic and other various ancient Sith construction means.
Both came from the amulet.
Sith magic isn't dependent upon the amulet, as we see exhibited by Aleema.
With that being said, compare a completely different and full view of Aleema's Sith magic in action to Kun's:
They are nigh identical, save for the color (which as I said, wouldn't be unusual). Notice that the form and the way it is launched (arm extended forward with the fingers pointing straight out) are an exact match of each other.
Why it came from the amulet is irrelevent.
Already addressed, see above; it's entirely relevant.
So what? If it was Sith magic it didn't put a burn on ehr dress either.
Why would it have? Prove that the technique would have singed her dress or even had any scorching effect to it. Oh? What's that? You can't?
I could take that same statement and say "It was the amulet, not Sith Magic, because Sith Magic would at least have burned her dress" wtf.
No, you couldn't.
You completely lack the necessary evidence to prove that the Sith magic attack would've inflicted any external burns; ergo, you cannot apply that to the statement.
I, however, have on-panel evidence that proves the effects of the amulet beams themselves, in addition to logical deduction.
It's comedic that you would put a "WTF" at the end of that sentence and not even realize what you're saying makes no sense whatsoever.
Wrong.
Dumbsith, darthshit, whatever it is you go by now: your completely asinine assertions are the only thing that's wrong.
It merely meant that he was going to use Sith Power. Which he did, since the amulet is Sith power.
Your missing the point here, for clarification purposes:
Originally posted by Advent
2.) If you will, note his dialogue:"Pretender! Nadd has only taught you the beginnings of Sith power, woman -- but I have learned everything!"
This seems to indicate that he was using the same attack except with more power, so as to show Aleema that what he has learned of Sith magic topples Aleema's own. She also calls him a "pretender", and it would make sense to even prove that he wasn't by using the same type of attack back at Aleema.
Why would he use the amulet? What possible personal reasons would he have to utilize the destructive power of the blasts? None. I've given a reason as to why he would use Sith magic (which is a point in my favor).
Originally posted by Manslayer
Being a military tactician doesnt garentee victory in a fight, I guess thrawn would own mandalore in a fight then seeing he is an even better tactician than revan
Fights are not just won through using brute force and impressive force powers. Many other factors also count.
How do you think that Revan managed to fight his way through the Sith forces stationed in Endire Spire and reached Carth's position?
Then how do you think that he overcame several very difficult challenges that he faced on Taris?
Even Bastilla Shan was surprised by the scale of success he achieved in his exploits in Taris and that too without using the Force in combat.
Pull the copy of KotoR out of your ass and relax.
Apparently you forgot the word very smart in my point. You vastly under-estimate raw talent of Revan and so does Gideon.
There are three problems with this line of thought:
a.) The phrase 'raw talent' is, actually, two words. Not one.
b.) Manslayer is absolutely correct. Intelligence is nice and all, but you have to substantiate it. If we went on pure intellect, Grand Admiral Thrawn or Raith Sienar would manhandle 99% of the Force users depicted. We've seen dumber people beat smarter people in duels before.
c.) I don't vastly underestimate anyone, Revan included. We've been round and round on this issue before; most people here believe I've got the scope of Revan's prowess nailed down 100%. The difference is, while I recognize Revan's brilliance and exceptional power, I also have no problem accepting that there are people who are: 1.) smarter than he is, 2.) stronger than he is, and 3.) smarter and stronger than he is.
Originally posted by Gideon
Pull the copy of KotoR out of your ass and relax.
Originally posted by Gideon
There are three problems with this line of thought:a.) The phrase 'raw talent' is, actually, two words. Not one.
b.) Manslayer is absolutely correct. Intelligence is nice and all, but you have to substantiate it. If we went on pure intellect, Grand Admiral Thrawn or Raith Sienar would manhandle 99% of the Force users depicted. We've seen dumber people beat smarter people in duels before.
c.) I don't vastly underestimate anyone, Revan included. We've been round and round on this issue before; most people here believe I've got the scope of Revan's prowess nailed down 100%. The difference is, while I recognize Revan's brilliance and exceptional power, I also have no problem accepting that there are people who are: 1.) smarter than he is, 2.) stronger than he is, and 3.) smarter and stronger than he is.
Just keep the case of Mara Jade vs Darth Caedus in mind.
If that is not enough then I can give an another example.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Legend im not even going to bother to argue with you on this one, i think its embarrassing enough that gideon constantly hands you your arse in every debate you attempt to suck revans dick
I settled very well my most recent debate with Gideon in a thread not long ago.
