Borbarad
Advocatus Diaboli
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan also achieved far more then many Sith Lords within short amount of time. Some say that his achievements as a Sith Lord are second to only Sidious.
Archievements can't be used to measure the personal skill in duels unless archieved through such fights. Sidious certainly was responsible for the death of more Jedi than any Sith before him. Yet he didn't kill all of them with his own hands.
I agree that Kun will not be fighting like a brainless-beserk but again it does depends upon who thinks smarter during the duel.
They are both smart. Which was the entire point I had.
Revan also decimated any kind of opposition he faced regardless of how difficult it was.
Kun demonstrated his own superiority by waltzing into the heart of the Republic, freeze serveral thousands of beings, use the Supreme Chancellor as living puppet and slay one of the most respected Jedi Masters in his time right in front of the frozen audience. Kun was by far the most powerful being of his era, completely uncontested at the hight of his power - the "darkest power in the Galaxy" as the narrator descripes him.
Revan was called a prodigy after his amazing success on the Star Forge. And Revan's combat style is also a modified one, as you can notice this when he gives a slight display of his saber mastery during his confrontation against the Jedi Strike Team. Though it is said that he was also the master of Jar Kai saber dueling style.
Look at what Kun does in the comics with his lightsaber(s). He's switching his main weapon hand rather often during duels and also rotates his blade rather often, resulting in a rather uncommon handling of his weapon(s). He also does that when dual wielding (obviously also Jar'kai use). The guy is quite a beast with his lightsaber, even at the very beginning of his career.
And I don't understand that how Kun has higher Force mastery and knowledge of Sith Lore then that of Revan. Kun's knowledge is mostly based on studies of Naga Sadow and some training from Freedon Nadd.
He had the complete knowledge of one of the three most powerful individuals from the "Golden Age of the Sith". A guy that studied the Dark Side for more than a century. I'd like to see what Revan had that was compareable.
Revan's knowledge is based on following:1) Studying large number of sith archives, secrets and sith teachings of various Ancient Sith Lords on Korriban including that of Ajunta, Ragnos, Sadow and Tulak.
I didn't see him studying much on Korriban actually. And especially not from the four Sith Lords you mention as we know what he found in their tombs.
2) Exploring and learning immense amount of Sith Lore that was abundent in large number of tombs in the Malachor V.
It was a training facility run by a group of force users that was known to keep their most valueable secrets for themselves. What do you expect to find there. Let me try to find a comparison that fits: Do you think you can gain more knowledge by breaking into a scientific facility or by learning everything a single lead-scientist from that facility has to offer ?
How kun was more focused on direct confrontation than Revan ever was is beyond me.
Because he created an own deadly melee weapon with a corresponding and equally deadly style. Because he's seen to attack other force users directly with quite efficient force techniques and because he has his amulets which might dash out quite some damage if being used against a single opponent.
You must keep in mind the immense level of display of power, focus and control that Revan demonstrated during his long and epic clash with Sith Forces stationed on the Star Forge.
Really. One magic word: Game play. You really want to assume that only three out of a crew of eight would have helped Revan to fight his way through the Star Forge ? What Revan did on his own was defeating some droids, some Dark Jedi, Bastilla (who still was a Padawan) and Malak. Ok. Impressive.
Kun destroyed a Jedi that brought down Ancient Sith with a single force attack. He toyed one of the most respected Jedi Masters of the Jedi Order in his time in a duel. He tossed Jedi around as if they were ragdolls. He came up alchemical inventions that by far trump anything Revan could even have imagined ranging from temples that focus Dark Side energy over almost unstoppable superweapons like the Dark Reaper. And this is not even mentioning what he was capable of doing as a 4000 year old spirit (force choking ten force users at once almost killing them, toast another force user with force lightning, use a technique to rip the spirit of a force user out of his body).
Really...I don't see where Revan displayed knowledge or power that is compareable to that of Exar Kun.
Over-powering Kun with the Force is not impossible because he is not invincible.
Dude. I didn't say it's impossible. I did say it's extremely unlikely that a single person would be capable of doing it. Once more: Kun simply walked through a Sith Magic attack by Aleema Keto that was shown to instantly burn the skin / flesh of somebody hit by it down to the bone. And he also plain and simply resisted a technique used by a rather powerful Jedi Master who did bring down Ancient Sith Lords with the very same technique.
And Sith Lords who are among the most powerful of all times can most certainly give him a decent challenge in this regard or even over-power him through the Force, if they have more knowledge and experience.
Yes. But I don't see why Revan should belong to that group as he did show nothing special in terms of lightsaber combat or force use. He is, of course, far above average in both departments - but compared to the likes of Sidious, Ragnos and Kun ? I don't think so.
Revan can defeat Kun, though the fight would be tough.
How exactly ? Really.
a)
Kun has his amulets to instakill Revan. He has a load of Sith Magic attacks up his sleeve that Revan can most likely even defend himself against and this combined with an extraordinary amount of potential and a ridiculously high force defence. Revan does apparently know some of the techniques Kun also knows (and most likely can defend himself against) but Kun seems to have a far broader array of force powers useable in "direct action" against other force users.
Conclusion: Could would most likely win a force fight.
b)
In lightsaber combat we have a relative unknown (although being mentioned as prodigy) in Revan. Kun is called the "most formidable student I ever had" by a 600 year old Jedi Master who seems to have trained quite a lot of people. His movements, as depicted in the comics, seem to imply a very unconventional (and thereby night unpredictable) fighting style - even when Kun used his old weapons instead of his new style and double blade which made him even more deadly in melee combat than he was before.
That aside from wearing armor (cortosis weave as far as I recall, granting him some extra protection against lightsabers), be quite muscle packed in terms of physical strength and he seems to be quite fast looking a the fact he can draw his lightsaber, ignite it and kill two poeple with it aiming guns at him - before one of the guy is able to pull his trigger.
Conclusion: I'm quite certain that Kun would win more often than not in lightsaber combat.
Of course...Revan could possibly defeat Kun. But I don't see that happening under "normal" circumstances. Which was my entire point here. Kun's simply too good with a saber and too powerful when it comes down to a force contest. This aside from his "gimmicks" in the shape of two Sith Amulets.