Revan vs exar kun

Originally posted by Manslayer
Oh that debate? He just couldnt be bothered to argue seeing that he himself said hes more fond of playing halo 3 than argue with a fanboy

Originally posted by Manslayer
Just keep in mind your original claim that "cuz revans a tactician in military = hes a supa smarto fighta!"

Here is a more clear explanation:

If a person is very smart, powerful and experienced, he will put up better fight than a person who is not very smart, though powerful.

In other words, your brain is a very useful ally to depend or rely upon when you are egaged in tough situations and not just your power.

Revan prefers to use his brain effectively in combat situations and not solely relies on brute force to subdue his enemies.

Now when you talk about using brain, it means that you should look forward to note any signs of weaknesses in your opponents and exploit them. It also means that you should be patient and carefully analyze your surroundings and then use the surroundings to your advantage during combat. The purpose is to out-smart your enemy to gain the upperhand during fight.

Revan is good at these things. Or in other words, his combat prowess is more efficient due to him being vastly experienced and smart thinker.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan prefers to use his brain effectively in combat situations and not solely relies on brute force to subdue his enemies.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Can you give me an example of revan in this situation where the omniscient narrator describes this?

Drew describes Revan as intelligent and adaptable.

He also gave a hint about fighting tactics of Revan: Revan was skilled in lightsaber combat, but knew that true strength came from using all the other Force abilities in conjunction with lightsaber combat.

Then we know that Revan was a very smart man. And a smart man would prefer to make wise decisions during tough situations. This is a matter of common sense.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan's personality is what you should keep in mind. Unlike Malak, he did not relied massively on brute force in combat situations.

[b]Drew describes Revan as intelligent and adaptable.

He also gave a hint about fighting tactics of Revan: Revan was skilled in lightsaber combat, but knew that true strength came from using all the other Force abilities in conjunction with lightsaber combat.

Then we know that Revan was a very smart man. And a smart man would prefer to make wise decisions during tough situations. This is a matter of common sense. [/B]

EDIT

Once again legend you implied revan is a smart fighter because he is a tactician in a battle field

Then we know that Revan was a very smart man. And a smart man would prefer to make wise decisions during tough situations. This is a matter of common sense.

Thrawn is also a smart man, but is he a great fighter? You lack common sense legend. You have nothing solid to back up your claim that revan uses intelligence in a 1v1 fight and all you do is speculate with "Revan does X in situation Y, ergo, he can do X in situation A"

Originally posted by Manslayer
EDIT

Once again legend you implied revan is a smart fighter because he is a tactician in a battle field

Then we know that Revan was a very smart man. And a smart man would prefer to make wise decisions during tough situations. This is a matter of common sense.

Thrawn is also a smart man, but is he a great fighter? You lack common sense legend. You have nothing solid to back up your claim that revan uses intelligence in a 1v1 fight and all you do is speculate with "Revan does X in situation Y, ergo, he can do X in situation A"

Is Thrawn trained in Jedi Arts or something?

Revan however is trained in Jedi Arts apart from being smart. Do you even understand the difference between very smart and average?

A smart person uses his brain in conjunction with his skills to defeat his enemies in combat. He is called smart because he thinks smartly and makes smart moves during combat.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Where was this stated? Or did this come from his opinion which has yet to be approved?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The author of Revan - Drew Karpyshyn himself stated those comments.

Before you say "DK told me himself!", Drew's opinion would have to be approved by lucasarts authorities to even get the canon status

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Are you 5 year old or something?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Is Thrawn trained in Jedi Arts or something?

Now smart ass, answer this question, if revan being a military tactician means he is the same during battle, how come it doesnt work vice versa? Like mara and caedus?

Ill tell you why, its because your a raging hormone fanboy of revan

legend, manslayer is right. just cuz one knows the art of war dosn't mean he knows the art of combat. if design a house doisen't mean you would be the best to build it. the fact is war and single combat are two completly diffrent things.

Originally posted by Atticus
legend, manslayer is right. just cuz one knows the art of war dosn't mean he knows the art of combat. if design a house doisen't mean you would be the best to build it. the fact is war and single combat are two completly diffrent things.

I applaud you atticus

Originally posted by Atticus
legend, manslayer is right. just cuz one knows the art of war dosn't mean he knows the art of combat. if design a house doisen't mean you would be the best to build it. the fact is war and single combat are two completly diffrent things.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Where? In the novel? page number and quote please. Or did "you ask him yourself"? Or are you making things up?

Before you say "DK told me himself!", Drew's opinion would have to be approved by lucasarts authorities to even get the canon status

I asked Drew about Revan's fighting style through E-Mail and he mentioned his opinion. So his opinion indeed holds merit.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Are you an idiot with no brains at all? Why dont you actually comprehend what i just typed

You can't understand even basic English properly.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Idiot, that isnt the case nor the claim. The claim you made that because revan is a smart military tactician, it means he is smart during a fight because of that ability he has. I simply used a metaphor which any tom dick and harry can understand but because of your blatant fanboyism, you dont even want to consider understanding it.
You dont even understand the initial claim you made

Now smart ass, answer this question, if revan being a military tactician means he is the same during battle, how come it doesnt work vice versa? Like mara and caedus?

Ill tell you why, its because your a raging hormone fanboy of revan

I used the words "very smart" and "tactican." My choice of words are clearly different and have different meanings.

All I am trying to say is that Revan is a very smart person and knows very well about how to take advantage of opponent's weaknesses. He is not the one who totally relies on brute force in combat.

And couple this with Drew's opinion: "Revan was skilled in lightsaber combat, but knew that true strength came from using all the other Force abilities in conjunction with lightsaber combat."

And you have got a "very smart figher" to contend with.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Oh that debate? He just couldnt be bothered to argue seeing that he himself said hes more fond of playing halo 3 than argue with a fanboy

Ive have also given up cause its an endless cycle and I can vouch for Gideon that Halo 3 is very addicting that's why i haven't been posting much myself.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Drew has total rights over Revan because he created that character. Lucas Arts will have no trouble in accepting his views.

I asked Drew about Revan's fighting style through E-Mail and he mentioned his opinion. So his opinion indeed holds merit.

Dan wallace himself stated that in his opinion, palpatine is more poweful than marka ragnos and he said it only becomes canon if approved by the authorities.

Janus emailed daniel wallace on that matter. There you go, if not approved by authorities = it doesnt get the lfl stamp = it is not canon . Accept it and move on with life

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Did I used the word "military tactican"?

So whos the one who doesnt understand english now?

Legend respond all you want, as hord and gideon are tired of going through this endless cycle, so am i. Frankly speaking you have become so annoying with your fanboyism kotor posts, im pretty sure even advent doesnt want to respond to your crap

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If a person is very smart, powerful and experienced, he will put up better fight than a person who is not very smart, though powerful.

Which would in this case be the equivalent of calling Kun "not very smart" which would be pretty stupid considering what Kun managed to do in a very short amount of time.

In other words, your brain is a very useful ally to depend or rely upon when you are egaged in tough situations and not just your power.

I didn't see Kun going WTF-brainless-berserk anywhere so once more I don't see where this does Revan any good in this fight.

Revan prefers to use his brain effectively in combat situations and not solely relies on brute force to subdue his enemies.

And Kun keeps discussing philosophical issues while tooling his own former master in lightsaber combat. Can it be that the guy is not entirely lacking intelligence ? That aside from force pimp-slapping everybody he confronted without a lightsaber rather easily.

Now when you talk about using brain, it means that you should look forward to note any signs of weaknesses in your opponents and exploit them. It also means that you should be patient and carefully analyze your surroundings and then use the surroundings to your advantage during combat. The purpose is to out-smart your enemy to gain the upperhand during fight.

Which might work in certain situations. But being confronted with a guy who is an unright saber prodigy, fights with a style you don't know and a weapon you're unfamiliar with and this while being equipped with more force knowledge and force power than you are...well...it doesn't look as if "I'm using my brains" is the sufficient solution for that situation.

Revan is good at these things. Or in other words, his combat prowess is more efficient due to him being vastly experienced and smart thinker.

This is...useless.
Kun is much more focused on direct confrontation than Revan ever was. Yes. Revan might be smarter than Kun (actually we could even debate this going by what Kun has done) but Kun is by any means the better combatant. His force abilities are pretty well fitting for direct confrontation, add his amulets and the fact that the guy uses a unique melee weapon and style. Overpowering him with the force won't work (he resisted the most devastating light side attack there is) and outduelling him is also a very unlikely option. Outsmart him ? Possibly but also no easy task.

And sorry...I don't see Revan winning this. Especially not because of "he will be using his brains".

This is...useless.
Kun is much more focused on direct confrontation than Revan ever was. Yes. Revan might be smarter than Kun (actually we could even debate this going by what Kun has done) but Kun is by any means the better combatant. His force abilities are pretty well fitting for direct confrontation, add his amulets and the fact that the guy uses a unique melee weapon and style. Overpowering him with the force won't work (he resisted the most devastating light side attack there is) and outduelling him is also a very unlikely option. Outsmart him ? Possibly but also no easy task.

Do we know anything about revans style? No we don't. We do know he is a saber prodigy, however do we know how good the kotor era saber duelers are? No we don't hence it is difficult to compare revan and kun in terms of saber combat.

For kuns case we have an idea of how he fights employing an unknown style

Yes. Revan might be smarter than Kun (actually we could even debate this going by what Kun has done)

I have no predisposition or bias for either Exar Kun or Revan [I think Kun is certainly capable of putting an amulet blast through Revan's forehead], but I would personally enjoy seeing this debated. Bearing in mind that I am, by no means, an Exar Kun expert -- I would say that this is a very tall claim, Nai. It's incontrovertible that Darth Revan was an extremely gifted tactition based on what he managed to achieve in such little time. Having played KotOR, though, I am better informed in regards to Revan than Kun.

But when has Kun proved his intellectual merit in comparison to Revan?

Originally posted by Manslayer
Legend respond all you want, as hord and gideon are tired of going through this endless cycle, so am i. Frankly speaking you have become so annoying with your fanboyism kotor posts, im pretty sure even advent doesnt want to respond to your crap

I am not going to respond to your posts as long as change your attitude. And do not forget that I am very good at insulting people too.

Just keep in mind that my SW related preferences should not bother you.

You want a good example of debating? Check the response of Nai (Borbarad) to my reply.

He understood my points and responded to them accordingly without resorting to any silly comments. Now it is up to me to respond further or not but he did made a good start.

So better learn from these good debators.