Namor, The Sub-Mariner vs Wolverine

Originally posted by Alfheim
its not a logical falllacy. You like using that word.

Originally posted by Alfheim
and you like susing the word strawman.

Originally posted by Alfheim
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no......im saying if a threatened somebody I would know there going to do two things either.

A) Walk away

or

B) Fight

I would prepare myself for both possibilities.

C) Try to reason with the person.
D) Call for aid.

Hence... the false dilemma... giveing only two options where others exist.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Damn your right...I thought I answered it. To make him go away!

Originally posted by Alfheim
So what you'rec telling me

Originally posted by Alfheim
is that somebody with Wolverines expereinec and who is taught to be prepared all the time compeletly assumed that Namor would not attack.

Cause yeah. Hooverspleen was a moron for expecting someone coming under the flag of peace would attack. An absolute idiot for trusting an ally. [/sarcasm]

Originally posted by Alfheim
Despite the fact tha Namor isnt scared of him and is desperate to see xavier, who on earth would he assume that?

Originally posted by Alfheim
No you didt you gave me the worst possible answer that you could

It is a leading question and thus it IS loaded. Thank you for proving my point.

basically what you said was..an intellignet bouncer would assume that the person would retalliate but lets assume that he wont. The most likely conclusion is that they would expect retalliation but because there is a possibilty that they wont lets assume they didnt expect it.

ReallY I just want you to answer the question, its thats simple. Dont care about your opinion on absolutes or fallacies......just...answer....the question. [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Badabing
I'm only quoting my earlier post for a reference point on my new post.

The opening punch was not a "sucker punch". A sucker punch occurs when one person hits another person from behind or a blind side. A sucker punch can also be an unexpected punch without provocation.

Now, Logan had his claws at Namor's head facing Namor which is clearly a provocation. The initial punch wasn't from a blind side or Logan's back being that they were facing each other. Am I to presume that Wolverine is so obtuse that he wasn't expecting Namor to react and defend himself? 😖

Obviously the only "unexpected" punch in the entire battle was when Namor gave his hand to Logan to help him up and Logan plunged his claws through Namor's chest. 😐

I dont even know why im bothering to argue with him.

Since Creshosk is right, you shouldn't bother.

Namor already won.

Originally posted by Alfheim
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I dont even know why im bothering to argue with him.

Originally posted by llagrok
Namor already won.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes it is. Willful ignorance to a subject does not change matters.

Especially where it applies.

*groan*

Originally posted by Creshosk

C) Try to reason with the person.
D) Call for aid.

Hence... the false dilemma... giveing only two options where others exist.

No because despite the other two options there is still the threat of violence, its still a possibility and you would prepare yourself just in case.

Originally posted by Creshosk

So if he was trying to make him go away, what was wolverine expecting him to do?

Either

a) **** off

or

b) Fight.

Originally posted by Creshosk

*sigh* here we go again...

What do you know, I am telling you that.

Cause yeah. Hooverspleen was a moron for expecting someone coming under the flag of peace would attack. An absolute idiot for trusting an ally. [/sarcasm]
Someone expecting Namor to be reasonable? I mean he claimed to be an ally... Guess it was stupid to assume that Namor was telling the truth... so I guess anything Namor says we should be scepticle of. 🙄

Yes but didnt you notice the bit where Namor said he didnt have time for this? Didnt Wolverine basically tell him to **** off. Despite the fcat that Namor said he was an ally Namor gave him a reason to retalliate by threatening him. When you threaten somebody there is a possiblity they will attack.

Originally posted by Creshosk

I knew it! You refuse to accept my answer unless it conforms to one of the answers you have preselected for me.

It is a leading question and thus it IS loaded. Thank you for proving my point.

Get a grip.

Originally posted by Badabing
I'm only quoting my earlier post for a reference point on my new post.

The opening punch was not a "sucker punch". A sucker punch occurs when one person hits another person from behind or a blind side. A sucker punch can also be an unexpected punch without provocation.

Originally posted by Badabing
Now, Logan had his claws at Namor's head facing Namor which is clearly a provocation. The initial punch wasn't from a blind side or Logan's back being that they were facing each other. Am I to presume that Wolverine is so obtuse that he wasn't expecting Namor to react and defend himself? 😖

Obviously the only "unexpected" punch in the entire battle was when Namor gave his hand to Logan to help him up and Logan plunged his claws through Namor's chest. 😐

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yup. And he doesn't need a sucker punch to take Wolverine down either.

And he proved it, because that wasn't a sucker punch because Bing was right.

Originally posted by TheTick
And he proved it, because that wasn't a sucker punch because Bing was right.

How'd you manage to agree with him and yet seem so hostile?

Namor can kill Wolverine, it wouldn't last long.

Originally posted by Alfheim
*groan*

No because despite the other two options there is still the threat of violence, its still a possibility and you would prepare yourself just in case.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Either

a) **** off

or

b) Fight.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes but didnt you notice the bit where Namor said he didnt have time for this? Didnt Wolverine basically tell him to **** off. Despite the fcat that Namor said he was an ally Namor gave him a reason to retalliate by threatening him. When you threaten somebody there is a possiblity they will attack.

If he was he wouldn't have gotten that close... we've been over this.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Get a grip.

This coming from someone who said:

For.......the........love.....of God! Its not a loaded question. What this is is debating ettiquitte. I answered your question......I repeat again I answered your question.......this.....is.....ETIQUETTE. You know treat others the way you would like to be treated? Therefore I answer your question......you......answer.......mine.

🙄 Yea, I'm the one needs to get a grip...

TheTick This Person is on your ignore list.

Originally posted by llagrok
How'd you manage to agree with him and yet seem so hostile?

Namor can kill Wolverine, it wouldn't last long.

Ignore list? I find it amusing. Much like his beliefs.

Originally posted by Creshosk

blahblah

Ok forget it. If you're going to be rude just forget it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dunno why dont you give Creshock a warning. Why are we having to suffer because of his behaviour? Im not being bad but its fair you indentify the problem instead of punishing everybody.

trying to push the blame on someone else when you are just as guilty says nothing but bad things about you...

posts like this:

Originally posted by Alfheim
Mmmmm in all fairness I guess it did sound insulting. I looked back at the posts eventhough you deserved it he should have tried to sound more polite.

don't help the situation...

Originally posted by jinzin
Namor's not faster (prove that he is)
Namor's stronger (doesn't make a difference since Wolverine can take a LOT of punishment from him at his strength level anyways)
Namor's nowhere near as good a fighter though he is very skilled.

😂

Wolverine has to get lucky to even hit Namor? although he's hit him in every encounter they've fought..... riiiiiight.

i could close it based on that post alone... 😛

i'm closing this for now... give you all a chance to cool down, and i do mean all of you...

i may reopen it at some point, i'll have to think about it...

Originally posted by TheTick
My god its like Cresh times two, I said I was leaving before and now I will, only a certain amount of biasness can amuse me before it gets boring. Jinzins posts are like a overload. 😂

No need to play the antagonist, Tick.

Namor has his water suit.

Logan

Namor.

Originally posted by batdude123
Namor.

Originally posted by llagrok
Namor has his water suit.

Originally posted by Badabing
You Norwegians are trouble makers! durfist

I think it's pretty fair, Wolverine looked like he was winning in their latest fight.

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