Namor, The Sub-Mariner vs Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
Namor's not faster (prove that he is)
Namor's stronger (doesn't make a difference since Wolverine can take a LOT of punishment from him at his strength level anyways)
Namor's nowhere near as good a fighter though he is very skilled.

😂

Wolverine has to get lucky to even hit Namor? although he's hit him in every encounter they've fought..... riiiiiight.

Prove Wolverines faster without the bullshit feats. If thats possible. 🙄

Taking punishment is good but doesn't change the fact that he will beat him.

I said get a lucky shot, because he can hit him sure, but he has got shots on him but nothing worth crying about.

You amuse me. 😆

No where near as good? Prove it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont think anything should be closed down. I think the person who started this should get a warning. You said he was biased and you get reported. Did you say you ****ing ****** you biased ****. No you fankly stated your opinion which is allowed.

The response to reporting somebody because they said they're biased is 🤨

Stating negative opinions of other people is not allowed... didn't you read the quote from Captain Rex?

Originally posted by TheTick
Hes not Spiderman, but fans claim hes as fast. No way around it.

In terms of sheer speed they're very close... however Wolverine doesn't have precog, so the only way he can "sense" danger is through his instincts.... If a guy who has been declared your ally when last you met comes and says that he is in fact your ally then decides to attack you...well.

Originally posted by TheTick
Expecting it or not he should be able to dodge it if he can do that to a gun while the bullet had been fired.

Or not?

So by your reasoning he should be able to dodge things coming from behind him that he's unaware of too perhaps?

Originally posted by TheTick
You can't prove that I am wrong. If hes as fast as Spiderman or close he should be able to dodge a punch by the slower Namor. (Probably slower)

Originally posted by TheTick
You don't stick claws to Namors face and not expect it, or is he stupider than we thought.

The only time he got claws in him was when he was helping Wolverine up.

Guess namor's as dumb as you think Wolvie is.

Originally posted by TheTick
Prove Wolverines faster without the bullshit feats. If thats possible. 🙄

No where near as good? Prove it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Mmmmm in all fairness I guess it did sound insulting. I looked back at the posts eventhough you deserved it he should have tried to sound more polite.

So did the lie bit but I didn't act like a child and get all pissy because he said something bad about me. 😂

Originally posted by TheTick
Prove Wolverines faster without the bullshit feats. If thats possible. 🙄

Taking punishment is good but doesn't change the fact that he will beat him.

I said get a lucky shot, because he can hit him sure, but he has got shots on him but nothing worth crying about.

You amuse me. 😆

No where near as good? Prove it.

Ok tick take it easy ok?

Originally posted by Creshosk
What is with this willful ignorance? Is there some reason why you're defending him like this and ignoreing the insults he's hurled at me?

Stating negative opinions of other people is not allowed... didn't you read the quote from Captain Rex?

I read everything he said. I take it back. the bit where he said "You sound as stupid as the civil war fight" wasnt nice.

Originally posted by TheTick
Prove Wolverines faster without the bullshit feats. If thats possible. 🙄

What kind of feats would you like me to use?

Originally posted by TheTick
Taking punishment is good but doesn't change the fact that he will beat him.

Yeah it does, if Wolverine can soak up more punishment from namor than the other way around..

Originally posted by TheTick
I said get a lucky shot, because he can hit him sure, but he has got shots on him but nothing worth crying about.

Except where he momentarily put him down in Civil War or almost Killed him in New Invaders? yeah.. right...

Originally posted by TheTick
No where near as good? Prove it.

Wolverine beat shang chi in four panels in hand to hand combat.... how about you prove that namor is..

My god its like Cresh times two, I said I was leaving before and now I will, only a certain amount of biasness can amuse me before it gets boring. Jinzins posts are like a overload. 😂

Originally posted by TheTick
My god its like Cresh times two, I said I was leaving before and now I will, only a certain amount of biasness can amuse me before it gets boring. Jinzins posts are like a overload. 😂

Er bro.....your antagonising people now. Could we just try to be nice? 😬
I agree with you but be nice, ok?

Originally posted by TheTick
My god its like Cresh times two, I said I was leaving before and now I will, only a certain amount of biasness can amuse me before it gets boring. Jinzins posts are like a overload. 😂

" I can prove my claims while jinzin can, he's clearly bias while I'm clearly not so I'm leaving because I think I'm right"...... 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
" I can prove my claims while jinzin can, he's clearly bias while I'm clearly not so I'm leaving because I think I'm right"...... 🙄

Originally posted by Creshosk
Meh, let him leave, all he's got left to argue with are insults.

Cresh are you actually going to answer my question?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Cresh are you actually going to answer my question?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Meh, let him leave, all he's got left to argue with are insults.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Do you understand that your question is a loaded false dilemma?

For.......the........love.....of God! Its not a loaded question. What this is is debating ettiquitte. I answered your question......I repeat again I answered your question.......this.....is.....ETIQUETTE. You know treat others the way you would like to be treated? Therefore I answer your question......you......answer.......mine.

Originally posted by Alfheim
For.......the........love.....of God! Its not a loaded question. What this is is debating ettiquitte. I answered your question......I repeat again I answered your question.......this.....is.....ETIQUETTE. You know treat others the way you would like to be treated? Therefore I answer your question......you......answer.......mine.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So your telling me

Originally posted by Alfheim
an intellignet bouncer would assume that everybody they will intimidate will back down

I love how you ignored a previous question by calling it a question you already answered, and thus by dodging it you can force this question on me.

Let me ask you again: "Why was wolverine threatening Namor?"

What was the purpose of doing that?

Originally posted by Alfheim
OR will they keep in the back of their mind that there might be trouble just in case.

But neither case. A person will not ALWAYS assume something, but there might be cases where they forget or do not expect an attack.

There, have I answered you damned loaded question satisfactorily enough or should I just put my hand s up and say I agree with you when I don't?

You're going to force me to pick one of the two options when I agree with neither?

Namor wins, he has teh gills!!

Originally posted by Creshosk
What part of ettiquite is there in tricking or forcing someone to answer a loaded question, to give validation to a logical fallacy?

its not a logical falllacy. You like using that word.

Originally posted by Creshosk

I'm not telling you anything. Especially not either of the following two statements. To insist otherwise is to make a strawman argument. You created the statments, Not I. You're expecting me to counter statments theat you made but saying that I made them.

and you like susing the word strawman.

Originally posted by Creshosk

No, I do not like absolutes. But are you telling me that they would not expect a person to back down from using an intimidation tactic?

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no......im saying if a threatened somebody I would know there going to do two things either.

A) Walk away

or

B) Fight

I would prepare myself for both possibilities.

Originally posted by Creshosk

I love how you ignored a previous question by calling it a question you already answered, and thus by dodging it you can force this question on me.

Let me ask you again: "Why was wolverine threatening Namor?"

What was the purpose of doing that?

Again, I'll answer AGAIN like you keep ignoring so I'll have to answer again because you outright expect me to choose Only one of the two answers you've selected....

Damn your right...I thought I answered it. To make him go away!

Originally posted by Creshosk

But neither case. A person will not ALWAYS assume something, but there might be cases where they forget or do not expect an attack.

So what you'rec telling me is that somebody with Wolverines expereinec and who is taught to be prepared all the time compeletly assumed that Namor would not attack. Despite the fact tha Namor isnt scared of him and is desperate to see xavier, who on earth would he assume that?

Originally posted by Creshosk

There, have I answered you damned loaded question satisfactorily enough or should I just put my hand s up and say I agree with you when I don't?

No you didt you gave me the worst possible answer that you could

Originally posted by Creshosk

You're going to force me to pick one of the two options when I agree with neither?

Are you serious? 😬

basically what you said was..an intellignet bouncer would assume that the person would retalliate but lets assume that he wont. The most likely conclusion is that they would expect retalliation but because there is a possibilty that they wont lets assume they didnt expect it.

ReallY I just want you to answer the question, its thats simple. Dont care about your opinion on absolutes or fallacies......just...answer....the question.

Originally posted by Badabing
Guys, RELAX! Is it really the end of the Marvel Universe that Namor got the better of Logan? Namor went to seek help and was confronted by Wolverine. Logan put his claws to Namor's head, then Namor punched him to a roof top. More talk about his mission and Namor gave his hand to Wolverine to help him up, then Wolverine plunged his claws through Namor's chest and punched him off the roof. Wolverine jumped off the roof in front of Namor. Namor punched Logan into a brick wall. Instead of following up on that punch, Namor went for a swim. Logan activates and energy field over the pool so Namor swam through the pool wall, grabs Logan and throws him into the ground causing a crater and immobilizing Wolverine in the process. Logan says every organ in his body is crushed but his healing is working already and he'll be up soon. Namor reminds Logan that he tried to kill him only moments ago via a clumsy effort. Logan calls Namor duck lips and Long John Silver and then Professor X enters the scene.

That's exactly what happened. There's nothing stating anything else. They fought and Namor came out on top. There's no "He wasn't trying to kill Namor", "He was only trying to scare Namor", "Logan's healing wasn't at full capacity due to something from 2 weeks ago", "Logan wasn't trying", "Logan fought like an idiot", etc, etc, etc.... To think otherwise is just inserting a bias into an on panel fight. Does this mean Namor wins every time? No. It means Namor won this time which happens to be the most recent fight between them. Namor is a warrior with super human strength, speed, durability, reflexes, flight, etc. Is it really out of the realm of possibilities for Namor to win against Wolverine?

People can't call foul and make excuses every time Logan loses. That's the reason people get sarcastic and bash on these threads when it pertains to certain characters. Superimposing personal thoughts, what ifs, nah ahs and hyperbole onto an on panel fight doesn't take away the from the result. Wolverine lost, plain and simple. So what? Every character loses in comics. It doesn't take away from the Wolverine character.

durfist

The opening punch was not a "sucker punch". A sucker punch occurs when one person hits another person from behind or a blind side. A sucker punch can also be an unexpected punch without provocation.

Now, Logan had his claws at Namor's head facing Namor which is clearly a provocation. The initial punch wasn't from a blind side or Logan's back being that they were facing each other. Am I to presume that Wolverine is so obtuse that he wasn't expecting Namor to react and defend himself? 😖

Obviously the only "unexpected" punch in the entire battle was when Namor gave his hand to Logan to help him up and Logan plunged his claws through Namor's chest. 😐

Owned again.

Out smarts everyone again.