i mean the battle takes place in the marvel universe...you kno...the comic universe, its not just an endless battle area of unknown origin? Or perhaps youll put them in a diffrent battle universe...
ime just saying, if LT is in a universe without TOAA, or in a Marvel universe he has judgement over, he wont be able to do much of anything to anyone
Originally posted by Air Legend
Well no duh. The comic book forum wouldn't exist if we went by that logic.
you seem to be confusing what ime saying hmm....in Marvel universe LT has the powers given by TOAA, to judge universes, apparently theres likea diffrent LT for each multiverse, but their also all the same
if for a special fight it did not take place in Marvel but a completly diffrent comic unvierse or not comic universe, then he wont do anything understand?
Originally posted by Burning thought
you seem to be confusing what ime saying hmm....in Marvel universe LT has the powers given by TOAA, to judge universes, apparently theres likea diffrent LT for each multiverse, but their also all the sameif for a special fight it did not take place in Marvel but a completly diffrent comic unvierse or not comic universe, then he wont do anything understand?
Originally posted by Air Legend
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Unless the thread starter says the two are going to fight each other...
what are you talking about 😂
yes i completly understand Scathan VS living Tribunal, but if you didnt put them in the Marval universe which is diffrent to the DC universe, which is diffent to the real unvierse etc etc...understand? basically put them in a Marval universe for the fight is all ime saying or LT does nothing and gets stomped...
onto the battle, Tribunal is supposed to be omnipotent in a marvel universe so for sure he wins i imagine
Originally posted by Mr Master
According to On Panel depictions (GOTG #50)
and in LT's own Official Handbook bio, (2006)Scathan >>> LT
LT >>>> any other cat in Marvel,
(including the entire race of Celestials with the exception of Scathan)Imo, Scathan was operating on behalf of TOAA based on the facts illustrated in GOTG #50.
Actually, according to the bios, the LT is greater because the LT is second ONLY to TOAA.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Actually, according to the bios,
the LT is greater because the LT is second ONLY to TOAA.
(excerpt from the official Handbook 2006 - LT bio)
"The LT was nearly usurped by the Protege,
whose ability to duplicate the powers of others
allowed him to manifest the LT's own power.
It was Scathan the Celestial who saved Reality by judging against him"
srugyellowshoes
And it's true, the bio also states that TOAA is LT's only superior,
which is why I stated that Scathan was operating on behalf of TOAA.
It's the only logical explanation for an incident Marvel certified as canon.
Originally posted by Mr Master
(excerpt from the official Handbook 2006 - LT bio)"The LT was nearly usurped by the Protege,
whose ability to duplicate the powers of others
allowed him to manifest the LT's own power.It was Scathan the Celestial who saved Reality by judging against him"
srugyellowshoes
And it's true, the bio also states that TOAA is LT's only superior,
which is why I stated that Scathan was operating on behalf of TOAA.It's the only logical explanation for an incident Marvel certified as canon.
If we go solely by on panel feats then it would have to be PIS because it contradicts many things about the LT.
Originally posted by Air LegendBut if Spidey had only been featured in one issue, and in that one issue he was more powerful then LT, (as is the case with Scathan)...
Right, but that's why the LT is still greater than Scathan. If TOAA wanted Spider-Man to have more power than the LT for an issue, then Spider-Man would have been greater than the LT for that issue; however, that doesn't mean that Spider-Man is greater than the LT. Spider-Man was only greater because that was how TOAA wanted it for the time being. Scathan was chosen to look greater than the LT in the comic books, but because the LT's only superior is TOAA, the LT will always be greater than Scathan.
We could make the general assumption that Spidey >> LT. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
But if Spidey had only been featured in one issue, and in that one issue he was more powerful then LT, (as is the case with Scathan)...We could make the general assumption that Spidey >> LT.
This makes sense.
Because Spidey is a known character with a set powerset,
while Scathan has never before or since that GOTG arc appeared again.
So it's safe to say,
as it was depicted on panel, as the LT's own bio alludes,
Scathan >>> LT
And again, imo, Scathan was operating on behalf of TOAA.
Those Two specific panels in the arc point to my speculation as I presented before.
Originally posted by Mr Master
This makes sense.Because Spidey is a known character with a set powerset,
while Scathan has never before or since that GOTG arc appeared again.So it's safe to say,
as it was depicted on panel, as the LT's own bio alludes,Scathan >>> LT
And again, imo, Scathan was operating on behalf of TOAA.
Those Two specific panels in the arc point to my speculation as I presented before.
If Scathan is superior to the LT like you keep claiming then: 1. Official Marvel Handbooks are ambivalent and cannot be taken seriously. 2. Scathan is the One Above All. or 3. Maybe the LT really is more powerful since his ONLY superior is TOAA.
Also, if Scathan is superior, then this:
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lt2cm.jpg
is meaningless. That or the LT is the servant of Scathan (which of course he's not).
Last but not least, if your theory that TOAA wrote Scathan to be superior to the LT is true, then without TOAA giving Scathan power, Scathan has to be less powerful by default since the LT's only superior is TOAA.
Originally posted by Air Legend
If Scathan is superior to the LT like you keep claiming
I'm not claiming anything that wasn't presented on panel and confirmed by Marvel.
So let's just get that straight. 🙂
Originally posted by Air Legend
1. Official Marvel Handbooks are ambivalent and cannot be taken seriously.
If it had just been some bio gibberish like Phoenix being involved in Galactus' origin,
I would side with you,
But the fact is, it did take place On Panel, and then it was certified in the LT's official bio.
And again,
the on panel evidence IMO, leans towards Scathan being an agent of TOAA.
So realizing this, it's not that hard to imagine that Scathan is > LT.
Same reason THOTI is > LT.
(because it's a direct manifestation of toaa/god's power withIn the Omniverse)
So in the end,
it's only because Scathan was backed by TOAA (IMO) that we can say Scathan > LT.
Originally posted by Air Legend
2. Scathan is the One Above All.
Or his agent,
as this scan #1 seems to allude to when compared with scan #2:
"the Celestial's purpose is only to record and Approve of what transpires here"
Scan #2:
"your actions are inexcusable ... make your peace, may TOAA forgive you"
Protege begins to cry out,
"No, I want to be TOAA"
The LT responds with,
"Power is meaningless beyond this existence"
Originally posted by Air Legend
or 3. Maybe the LT really is more powerful since his ONLY superior is TOAA.
Right.
Which is why it's logical Scathan was backed by TOAA
as the embodiment of "Approval and Disapproval"
Originally posted by Air Legend
Also, if Scathan is superior, then this:
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lt2cm.jpg
is meaningless. That or the LT is the servant of Scathan (which of course he's not).
That scan isn't meaningless
if we take into consideration that Scathan is working directly for TOAA,
at least in that GOTG arc.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Last but not least, if your theory that TOAA wrote Scathan to be superior to the LT is true, then without TOAA giving Scathan power, Scathan has to be less powerful by default since the LT's only superior is TOAA.
I agree with this.
Only now that builds a new paradox, which is,
is Scathan always backed by TOAA, or was this a special case?
Until further notice from Marvel, I, we, can't say for sure.
Guess we'll have to wait.
