Producing the Paranormal

Originally posted by leonheartmm
talking about comic books, an easier example. xavier{who for the sake of plot, isnt a public mutant nor wants to be publically known} is my friend. he tells me hes a powerful telepath. he thinks ill be loyal an keep his secret. i wudnt tell anyone 1. because its against my friend's wishes 2.because hes a telepath and would find out if i told or was planning on telling as he has cosmic awareness 3. because of the fear that the government sentinals would kill or kidnapp him for their own devious research or purposes 4. because no1 would beleive me 5. because since after knowing i told, or was gonna tell, xavier would wipe my mind clean telepathically.

now the REASON xavier told was that he cud be more REAL and true to his friends/lover{assuming i was a woman}, maybe he jsut wanted to let a secret out and not be lonely in his existance anymore, maybe he was just excited about whhat he cud do, maybe he wanted to show off, maybe he wanted to explain the reasons behind his actions or the circumstances he was in in life which seemed to hae no normal reason for them.

get it?

Your patronising me I got it first time....to be fair saying that you wouldnt tell anybody is incorrect but you wouldnt broadcast it.

This could explain why in the real world when you join the IOT and OTO you have to keep secrets. This could explain why ceratin occultists have been raided by the police and why the gnostic christians where persecuted ( for their beliefs as well).

This was the point I made in one of my posts you didnt get it either.

i dunno about those, i was only referring to individual psychics.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i dunno about those, i was only referring to individual psychics.

Well im talking about the real world. The OTO and IOT are actually freemasonry organisations that teach the occult. Wether or not they actually have superhuman powers I dont know for sure but they do exist and they claim to teach people magick.

There may be some grain of truth in what im saying in the fcat that when you join there are certain things you cant tell people. There is one occultist called Carl McCoy who whenever asked about the occult refused to talk about it either hes full of **** or its because he doesnt want to reveal anything. When you think about it logically if you did have superhuman powers you could get yourself into big trouble depending on how you conduct yourself.

no, no, im talking about the REAL world too. i know individual psychics exist in the real world. however i do not know whether the paronormal ORGANISATIONS you speak of are authentic practitioners of paronormal phenomenon or not.

n i do know that a few of those individuals do tell other people who are close to them. n some even do go into the fortune telling business/consultation etc etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

Originally posted by inimalist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

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The only thing I wonder about is if that guy knew he was a fake or really thought he had powers.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i know individual psychics exist in the real world.

Care to elaborate?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
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The only thing I wonder about is if that guy knew he was a fake or really thought he had powers.

I don't know, i think there was probably some mass delusions going on there, but I could be wrong.

There is another video, I haven't seen it, of a guy who believes he can use chi energy to block a shortsword from slicing into his arm.

So, he domonstrated on TV and had his friend embed a sword in his forearm down to the bone.

Maybe I shouldn't laugh at anothers misfortune, but its sooooo funny.

There are paranormal experiences. I've experienced some of them as do others I know also.

Originally posted by debbiejo
There are paranormal experiences. I've experienced some of them as do others I know also.

such as?

Getting direction when you ask, if you listen.

Originally posted by inimalist
I don't know, i think there was probably some mass delusions going on there, but I could be wrong.

There is another video, I haven't seen it, of a guy who believes he can use chi energy to block a shortsword from slicing into his arm.

So, he domonstrated on TV and had his friend embed a sword in his forearm down to the bone.

Maybe I shouldn't laugh at anothers misfortune, but its sooooo funny.

I found a great website that has all kinds of "instructions manuals" for telekinetic and/or telepathic effects. Chi is mentioned liberally. Then they have "real" videos of people spinning cell phones and such telekinetically. I was going to try them sometime just for the sh*t of it (not because I actually believe in any of them) but I haven't gotten around to it.

The kicker was that they mentioned spoon-bending as one of their primary activities. It's a popular mind-over-matter excercise, and people usually end up legitimately thinking they are influencing the bending process with their minds, not just their physical strength. Spoon-bending has been debunked by a number of popular sources, so it was a bit disappointing to see they didn't really do their homework before posting it.

http://www.psipog.net/home.html

Originally posted by debbiejo
Getting direction when you ask, if you listen.

Direction for what? Life decisions and such, like when Christians ask God for a sign or guidance? If there is a "response" it would presumably have to come from some sort of paranormal sentience, though not necessarily the god of any religion. I would have a hard time with that, only because where did this sentience come from? What are your grounds for believing in it? And is it more likely that you simply formulated the response on your own through some sort of intuition, but aren't attributing the answer to yourself but to something else?

...it's like a Oigia (sic) board, but for adults.

And if you get rid of the idea of sentience, and are just tapping into....I dunno what exactly, maybe an energy field. Then how would such a non-personified force create enough semblance in its being to give a person direction in their life?

I can understand attuning oneself to your surroundings, and as a result being able to think more clearly and discern things you wouldn't otherwise be able to. But that's just a thought-meditation, and is entirely intrinsic.

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Dumb men...lol
Are you left brained too?

You do have to understand that you need to tap into your right brain to experience this, right?

I also think people want to believe in the paranormal, and are willing to put aside their critical thinking to believe it. Or, more likely, they just don't have access to dissenting opinions, so they believe it tacitly because there's no rational alternative.

Many people are upset if their belief is debunked. I'd see it as a gradual process of educating oneself, so it's hard for me to see the negative in, say, having psychic readings debunked. We understand a bit more about the world around us and also the people that we share the planet with (because the reasons people believe in things and the techniques used often make for a delicious character study).

Originally posted by debbiejo
Dumb men...lol
Are you left brained too?

You do have to understand that you need to tap into your right brain to experience this, right?

I took a right/left quiz one time, but I forget the results. I think I'm mixed. As rigid and rational as I seem on this forum, I'm an English teacher (eventually, at least), where subjectivity and creativity is the name of the game.

But does this explain your point? Maybe it's because I'm a dumb man ( 😛 ) but I can't find the connection.

Nah, you're not dumb at all.......I was just kidding. But it is said that left brained people cannot experience such things because they are too analytical for it. Some try exercises to train their minds to experience more of the right brained experiences. I, myself have always been very right brained, so maybe that is why I see things differently. Sometimes I am forced to see things more dramatically from the other side..i.e. left brained. I can, though I am not comfortable in that place. To me, it lacks fun and spontaneity and wonder. People of this sort, though I don't mean it to apply to all, seem very reserved, too cautious, too worried.

They need to loosen up, and have fun with things.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Nah, you're not dumb at all.......I was just kidding. But it is said that left brained people cannot experience such things because they are too analytical for it. Some try exercises to train their minds to experience more of the right brained experiences. I, myself have always been very right brained, so maybe that is why I see things differently. Sometimes I am forced to see things more dramatically from the other side..i.e. left brained. I can, though I am not comfortable in that place. To me, it lacks fun and spontaneity and wonder. People of this sort, though I don't mean it to apply to all, seem very reserved, too cautious, too worried.

They need to loosen up, and have fun with things.

KMC Digi is very right-brained. But that's because I'm either dealing with problems in the comic forums or debating with theists here.

The trend in my life has probably been gradually toward right-brain. But I just re-watched Moulin Rouge and had a conversation with a friend about crying during the last episode of Dawson's Creek (that's right, b*tches, and damn proud). Then I ate cheeze-its while watching football all day and didn't have 1 intelligent thought all day. I'm not sure if that balances out right/left, but it's something.

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Originally posted by inimalist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

Originally posted by DigiMark007
KMC Digi is very right-brained. But that's because I'm either dealing with problems in the comic forums or debating with theists here.

The trend in my life has probably been gradually toward right-brain. But I just re-watched Moulin Rouge and had a conversation with a friend about crying during the last episode of Dawson's Creek (that's right, b*tches, and damn proud). Then I ate cheeze-its while watching football all day and didn't have 1 intelligent thought all day. I'm not sure if that balances out right/left, but it's something.

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personality is NOT controlled by either brain hemisphere. It comes from the interaction of many brain regions in both hemispheres.

The idea that people are either right or left brain dominant is not real psychology or even just not real period.

Originally posted by inimalist
personality is NOT controlled by either brain hemisphere. It comes from the interaction of many brain regions in both hemispheres.

The idea that people are either right or left brain dominant is not real psychology or even just not real period.

Well, yes there's interaction between areas of the brain. But there is a clear division between opposite sides of the brain, and the connective tissue between them deteriorates unless used (using both "sides" of the brain). Women have thicker connective tissue, which makes men more at risk for becoming one-tracked to one side or the other.

In either instance, both sides are still used, but there is a definite trend toward one side or the other depending on our thought patterns. People probably read too much into it, but it's not entirely pseudo-science.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
but it's not entirely pseudo-science.

correction, it is ENTIRELY pseudoscience

There are hemespheric dominances, much like people can be right or left handed, and there are some functions that are specialized to each side of the brain. However, when talking about personality differences between individuals (and ESPECIALLY for men and women) you are NOT talking about left vs right brain. It is entirely bunk. There is absolutly no evidence to support it.

In fact, from a strict neurological perspective, saying an individual is either left or right brained has no real meaning. There is no possible mechanism for how one hemisphere could "dominate" the other so ambigiously.

Originally posted by inimalist
personality is NOT controlled by either brain hemisphere. It comes from the interaction of many brain regions in both hemispheres.

The idea that people are either right or left brain dominant is not real psychology or even just not real period.