Originally posted by The MISTER
The psychic detectives program seems credible. When I googled "psychic helps police" the search produced some convincing evidence.
It may not have anything to do with psychic ability. Just the fact that they have someone outside the "box", look at the information, could lead to the same results. That is why you can't say it works without a control.
Originally posted by The MISTER
The psychic detectives program seems credible. When I googled "psychic helps police" the search produced some convincing evidence.
Well there's certainly several shows that exist with that premise but that's not evidence of psychic powers.
What's more interesting is actual studies of psychics. Take Sylvia Browne, one of the best psychic detectives in the business. She's worked on 115 cases and has a success rate of 85%! Incredible right?
Except that the 85% number comes from Sylvia. When people sat down to study her work they found that in 25 cases she predicted almost the exact opposite of the truth (so 21% of the time she does as badly as it is concievably possible to do). Of the remaining cases most lacked enough information to investigate but in 14 the police of family members described her as useless or otherwise unhelpful.
So Sylvia Browne, the best psychic money can buy, is ineffective or worse at least 33% of the time.
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/psychic_defective_sylvia_brownes_history_of_failure/
They also note that she tends to tell families horrible things when she gets her stuff wrong. In one instance telling a woman her grand daughter had been sold into a child sex slave ring.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonMy question is are the individuals consistent. Pshycic connections may actually be physical rather than paranormal but whether they do conclusively exist is what I wonder. Considering that the police would likely prefer not to have to depend on someone who calls themselves a psychic, their praise is pretty convincing. Especially if they're willing to go on record that it was not simply a case of someone thinking of an angle that they hadn't thought of. I can see how that might be the case for some sort of con artist but I feel that conning the trained detectives consistently is probably not all that easy.
It may not have anything to do with psychic ability. Just the fact that they have someone outside the "box", look at the information, could lead to the same results. That is why you can't say it works without a control.
Originally posted by The MISTER
My question is are the individuals consistent. Pshycic connections may actually be physical rather than paranormal but whether they do conclusively exist is what I wonder. Considering that the police would likely prefer not to have to depend on someone who calls themselves a psychic, their praise is pretty convincing. Especially if they're willing to go on record that it was not simply a case of someone thinking of an angle that they hadn't thought of. I can see how that might be the case for some sort of con artist but I feel that conning the trained detectives consistently is probably not all that easy.
My opinion on the subject of Psychics:
There are two types:
1. Con-artists.
2. Delusional people.
Sometimes both types are right, and sometimes the most respected people believe them.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well there's certainly several shows that exist with that premise but that's not evidence of psychic powers.What's more interesting is actual studies of psychics. Take Sylvia Browne, one of the best psychic detectives in the business. She's worked on 115 cases and has a success rate of 85%! Incredible right?
Except that the 85% number comes from Sylvia. When people sat down to study her work they found that in 25 cases she predicted almost the exact opposite of the truth (so 21% of the time she does as badly as it is concievably possible to do). Of the remaining cases most lacked enough information to investigate but in 14 the police of family members described her as useless or otherwise unhelpful.
So Sylvia Browne, the best psychic money can buy, is ineffective or worse at least 33% of the time.
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/psychic_defective_sylvia_brownes_history_of_failure/
They also note that she tends to tell families horrible things when she gets her stuff wrong. In one instance telling a woman her grand daughter had been sold into a child sex slave ring.
As soon as I hear that she's extremely high priced I put her credibility in question. Miss Cleo comes to mind. 😮💨
Originally posted by The MISTER
As soon as I hear that she's extremely high priced I put her credibility in question. Miss Cleo comes to mind. 😮💨
It shouldn't alter her credibility. After all if psychics are really effective then the best ones would also be the most expensive to hire. Unless you ad some bizarre factor like "effectiveness decreases by 1% per $10,000 of net worth" into the way psychic powers work.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonIf none of them are consistent then I'd have to agree. As it stands for the moment I leave room for the possibility that psychics exist. I wonder about the instances where psychics go on record about explaining detailed events about the deaths of people in supposed haunted houses. Especially if the psychic is not privy to the history of the home. Understandably if the history of the area is common knowledge then I see the potential for a con.
My opinion on the subject of Psychics:There are two types:
1. Con-artists.
2. Delusional people.Sometimes both types are right, and sometimes the most respected people believe them.
Originally posted by The MISTER
If none of them are consistent then I'd have to agree. As it stands for the moment I leave room for the possibility that psychics exist. I wonder about the instances where psychics go on record about explaining detailed events about the deaths of people in supposed haunted houses. Especially if the psychic is not privy to the history of the home. Understandably if the history of the area is common knowledge then I see the potential for a con.
*sigh* Wasn't going to get involved but heres some interesting stuff.
http://www.sheldrake.org/Articles&Papers/papers/telepathy/index.html
Originally posted by The MISTER
If none of them are consistent then I'd have to agree. As it stands for the moment I leave room for the possibility that psychics exist. I wonder about the instances where psychics go on record about explaining detailed events about the deaths of people in supposed haunted houses. Especially if the psychic is not privy to the history of the home. Understandably if the history of the area is common knowledge then I see the potential for a con.
I am only closed to the possibility because some years back I studied the topic. I learned about cold reading and even used it. People were convinced I was a psychic. An old friend of mine still thinks I'm a psychic even though I told him I was using cold reading. So, I'm not closed minded for no reason.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am only closed to the possibility because some years back I studied the topic. I learned about cold reading and even used it. People were convinced I was a psychic. An old friend of mine still thinks I'm a psychic even though I told him I was using cold reading. So, I'm not closed minded for no reason.
Cool story bro.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It shouldn't alter her credibility. After all if psychics are really effective then the best ones would also be the most expensive to hire. Unless you ad some bizarre factor like "effectiveness decreases by 1% per $10,000 of net worth" into the way psychic powers work.
Or that there is some sort of random chance or secondary factor involved in deciding the "top" psychics, so that your rule may be true for most psychics, except for the ones that somehow got their ass unnaturally well exposed.
Lol...exposed ass.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosThe worlds best is not always the worlds most highly paid. McDonald's is the worlds most successful restaurant but who would argue that McDonalds is providing quality meals. On the other hand some of the best food you will ever eat will probably be home-made and not cost you anything at all. When money is concerned presentation is more important than quality. That's why I think that expensive psychics are more than likely just successful con-artists that are very good at putting on convincing airs.
It shouldn't alter her credibility. After all if psychics are really effective then the best ones would also be the most expensive to hire. Unless you ad some bizarre factor like "effectiveness decreases by 1% per $10,000 of net worth" into the way psychic powers work.
Originally posted by The MISTER
The worlds best is not always the worlds most highly paid. McDonald's is the worlds most successful restaurant but who would argue that McDonalds is providing quality meals. On the other hand some of the best food you will ever eat will probably be home-made and not cost you anything at all. When money is concerned presentation is more important than quality. That's why I think that expensive psychics are more than likely just successful con-artists that are very good at putting on convincing airs.
If you go to a restaurant and want good food you'll have to pay a lot more than McDonalds charges, food made at home is a red herring.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosI see what you're saying so let me put it like this...
If you go to a restaurant and want good food you'll have to pay a lot more than McDonalds charges, food made at home is a red herring.
McDonalds' food is not the best simply because Mcdonalds makes the most money. Likewise high-priced food is not always considered tastier than the cheap stuff at McDonalds.
The main point would be that McDonald's is not as interested in serving amazing food as it is interested in making amazing profits. They have targeted children for years to get where they are today.
imo The expensive psychic you spoke of seems more likely interested in making money and putting on a good show than being a psychic that just wants to provide assistance for a police force or person in need.
Originally posted by The MISTER
I see what you're saying so let me put it like this...McDonalds' food is not the best simply because Mcdonalds makes the most money. Likewise high-priced food is not always considered tastier than the cheap stuff at McDonalds.
The main point would be that McDonald's is not as interested in serving amazing food as it is interested in making amazing profits. They have targeted children for years to get where they are today.
imo The expensive psychic you spoke of seems more likely interested in making money and putting on a good show than being a psychic that just wants to provide assistance for a police force or person in need.
*sigh*
If you look at things on the whole "the best" almost always costs more, no one has ever said that McDonalds produces the best food anyway (so I'm not sure where you're going with that), just that they're the most popular and that is mainly because they're cheap. We can use people as an even more salient example. Free clinics don't have doctors that are as good as an expensive private practice.
Or cars. I can get a crappy car for like $2000 or I can spend a half million and get some ultra-luxury sports car. Or houses. Or horses. Or computers.
So if psychic detectives have any merit we should see high quality among the most costly (if they can save people then their time is valuable and thus they'll be able to charge more, on the other hand if they fail especially often their time is not valuable and they can't charge much). Instead what we see is that psychics are about equally effective no matter how popular they are. Either this means that all people with psychic powers have them at almost exactly the same level or that none of them have psychic powers or that even the best powers are uselessly imprecise.
Fake psyching is very very simple.
It includes the following steps :
If subject is female,
-check hair
-check makeup level [from natural to Joker]
-check clothes
-check purse
-check fingernails
-check ring finger
- check shoes.
Look for brand names and knock offs. Is hair cut/makeup high maintenance? How long are fingernails? Are they well shaped? Look at cuticle care. Any nail polish? What color?
Look at clothes : check top for neckline and jewelry. Check bottom for hemline. Legs - are they shaved? Shoes - Are they sneakers? ****-me pumps? Flip-flops? Pedicure?
.... bleh. it goes on and on. You just have to know a teeny tiny bit about pop culture.
Originally posted by DeadlineThat is interesting.
...heres some interesting stuff.http://www.sheldrake.org/Articles&Papers/papers/telepathy/index.html
Ever come across any psychic studies done with yogis, eg, as subjects, or shaolin monks?
Originally posted by siriuswriter😂
-check makeup level [from natural to Joker]