is killing animals alright?{vegetarianism/buddhism etc}

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
"defenseless" 😂 Claws, teeth, horns and antlers....those are all for defense.

If you have to ask "Where's the thrill" then hunting obviously isn't for you, I guess you don't like roughing it. It's actually not that easy; they can hear you before you hear them, and they can smell you long before you even catch a whiff. It's not like you can get 20 kills on every outing, quite the opposite.

Speaking of bears, I actually prefer predators, because they're smarter and more elusive than grazing animals. Idaho has some of the best bear hunting in the nation. Just a bowie knife? Hmm.....

Like a deer, duck or other game animal has much of a chance against a well armed hunter... Sure there are cases where the animal wins, but that isn't the norm.

No, I stated that hunting isn't for me. Camping is fine/fun, if that's what you mean by "roughing it". I'm sure it takes skill to hunt; I have no doubt of that, I just don't see the fun in killing an animal, just because I can.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Suffering is the problem. Death is natural, and the need to eat is also natural.

I personally try not to kill anything, but I am not a vegetarian. However, causing suffering is even worse then killing. So, if I do step on something, I hope that it does not suffer.

I agree.

Death is natural, you can't create a vaccine for it, and it will happen to every living thing regardless of what they do. All one can do is posepone it.

Animals eat eachother. There's nothing in nature that suggests we "shouldn't" eat another animal, unless they are poisonous.

However, suffering is the problem. You don't need to make an animal suffer to kill it, and you don't need to make it suffer to feed on it.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I agree.

Death is natural, you can't create a vaccine for it, and it will happen to every living thing regardless of what they do. All one can do is posepone it.

Animals eat eachother. There's nothing in nature that suggests we "shouldn't" eat another animal, unless they are poisonous.

However, suffering [b]is the problem. You don't need to make an animal suffer to kill it, and you don't need to make it suffer to feed on it. [/B]

Suffering is natural, you can't create a vaccine for it, and it will happen to every living thing regardless of what they do. All one can do is decrease it.

Animals hurt eachother. There's nothing in nature that suggests we "shouldn't" hurt another animal, unless they can beat the shit out of us afterwards.

However, death is the problem. You don't need to kill an animal to make it suffer and you don't need to kill it to enjoy its suffering.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
"defenseless" 😂 Claws, teeth, horns and antlers....those are all for defense.

They're also natural.

Hunt a bear with nothing but your hands and then you can talk about fairness. If a bear could handle a rifle as well as a human could, there'd be less bear hunting wouldn't there?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They're also natural.

Hunt a bear with nothing but your hands and then you can talk about fairness. If a bear could handle a rifle as well as a human could, there'd be less bear hunting wouldn't there?

-AC

Teach the animal in question how to handle an assault rifle, THEN it'd be a sport.

Maybe for food if all body parts are used.I would hate to think it is being wasted now that would be wrong.I am against hunting so I think no.Not a vegetarian just don't like shooting anything alive.
When I go target shooting it is not shooting at anything alive but just a thing instead.jm

Let me tell you something.. if a deer COULD use a high powered assualt rifle.. it would be human season year round.

my dad used to hunt deer and elk, and he said it had to be done to "regulate the population."

Is it me, or have two of you just pretty much copied exactly what AC said?

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Is it me, or have two of you just pretty much copied exactly what AC said?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
is killing animals alright?

Killing is necessary.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They're also natural.

Hunt a bear with nothing but your hands and then you can talk about fairness. If a bear could handle a rifle as well as a human could, there'd be less bear hunting wouldn't there?

-AC

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I don't see why a gun is unnatural. We evolved the ability to use tools in the same way that they evolved claws. Our tools and creations are as much a part of the "nature" of humans as teeth and fangs are to tigers.

Originally posted by inimalist
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I don't see why a gun is unnatural. We evolved the ability to use tools in the same way that they evolved claws. Our tools and creations are as much a part of the "nature" of humans as teeth and fangs are to tigers.

So would you say tools are a part of evolution?

Originally posted by chithappens
So would you say tools are a part of evolution?

with out a doubt

Wonder how that would work in a classroom - explaining tools as an evolution of sorts

Originally posted by inimalist
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I don't see why a gun is unnatural. We evolved the ability to use tools in the same way that they evolved claws. Our tools and creations are as much a part of the "nature" of humans as teeth and fangs are to tigers.

Originally posted by chithappens
Wonder how that would work in a classroom - explaining tools as an evolution of sorts

memetics, or the theory of memes actually tries to explain tools and human culture in an evolutionary system. I find it very attractive as a concept, but my tendency is to just rant about it, so if you want me to go over it, hit me with a PM, or check out Susan Blackmore's website: http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/memetics/index.htm

Blackmore herself talks extensively about "meme-gene coevolution" in her book The Meme Machine. meme-gene coevolution is exactly what you are talking about. Its really interesting to think about how tools and whatever not only evolved, but what impact they must have had on our own genetic evolution 🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's about "playing" the "sport" on an even field. Have the hunter arm himself with only a knife/machete,axe/whatever and wearing camo, force him to stalk the animal in question, take it on face to face instead of being hidden hundreds of yards away.

I misunderstood the argument then. 🙂

Originally posted by inimalist
memetics, or the theory of memes actually tries to explain tools and human culture in an evolutionary system. I find it very attractive as a concept, but my tendency is to just rant about it, so if you want me to go over it, hit me with a PM, or check out Susan Blackmore's website:

Blackmore herself talks extensively about "meme-gene coevolution" in her book The Meme Machine. meme-gene coevolution is exactly what you are talking about. Its really interesting to think about how tools and whatever not only evolved, but what impact they must have had on our own genetic evolution 🙂

I misunderstood the argument then. 🙂

In summertime, hunters hang a 55 gallon barrel from a tree that drops corn to the ground once a day. when winter comes along and deer season opens, the deer are used to the free food source. the hunter is in a stand some feet in the air, and when the deer come to feed, POP.

pretty chicken shit.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I dont know how familiar you guys are with deer hunting, but heres how it works most of the time.

In summertime, hunters hang a 55 gallon barrel from a tree that drops corn to the ground once a day. when winter comes along and deer season opens, the deer are used to the free food source. the hunter is in a stand some feet in the air, and when the deer come to feed, POP.

pretty chicken shit.

wow, I agree...

Up in Northern Ontario they send a bunch of guys into a bush to scare them toward a point where others are waiting to shoot them. A little more creative, though that was probably 30 years ago (my Dad grew up up there lol)

That artificial feed stuff is BS

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They're also natural.

Hunt a bear with nothing but your hands and then you can talk about fairness. If a bear could handle a rifle as well as a human could, there'd be less bear hunting wouldn't there?

-AC

Well I already know that you're gun-phobic, so I would expect something like that out of you.

Originally posted by inimalist
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I don't see why a gun is unnatural. We evolved the ability to use tools in the same way that they evolved claws. Our tools and creations are as much a part of the "nature" of humans as teeth and fangs are to tigers.

That's what I'm saying, ey. Humans don't have fangs and talons, so ancient man needed to do something about catching game and fending off predators, so he put his mind to work. So the gun, is simply the evolutionary point we reached from hand-held sharpened flint rocks.