Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm desaad Thanos abandoned them becuz yes they were hard to control but this Thanos was definitely more of an antihero and never doubt a guy that becomes a supreme being more than once.
...What?
Look, from what was shown, Thanos spent years on the project and abandoned it for years. He couldn't deal with it. He couldn't control them.
If you want to argue that Thanos is going to unleash them as a force to cause trouble, thats fine, but you'd have to be prepared for the counter argument that they are going to go right back and attack Thanos --- just as they did in their first appearance in Infinity Abyss.
This is why I wouldnt like this debate. You would be out to prove that these clones wouldnt be controllable and then I would try to prove how desaad would and could sabotage Darkseid becuz his only true allegiance is to power.
Here is the difference between the clones and Desaad; We've seen that Desaad has been loyal to Darkseid for centuries. He helped Darkseid orchestrate the war between Apokolips and New Genesis. He killed Darkseid's mother. He is even now helping a powerless Darkseid get his powers back. Yes, in his many appearances we've seen him betray a totally beaten Darkseid once or twice...but we've also seen him try to keep Apokolips in his grasp while Darkseid is dead, for Darkseid's inevitable return.
ALL we've seen of the clones is that they can't be controlled by Thanos. That they won't follow his orders, and were apparently such a lost cause that he had to abandon all hope of the project and kill the majority of them. And that when they were free, they tried to kill him.
Bottom line is if you count all of Thanos clones and the forces who have worked with him before that we have seen and unleash them on apokolips you know apokolips goes down hard.
You know that isn't true. Even with the clones, I'm quite sure that Thanos would go down.
I'd be happy to set up a match with you to prove it, as we discussed. But I won't budge on the logic of what I am saying.
Otherwise, why not just allow Thanos to have all of MU's heroes help him (as they did in the End, Infinity War, Crusade and Abyss) and Darkseid have all of the DCU's heroes help him (As they asked for his help in Crisis on Infinite Earths, and OWAW and Cosmic Odyssey).
If you want to argue that people who have repeatedly followed Thanos can be brought in, you know I'm 100% behind that. Go ahead and talk about him bringing together the team he did during Secret Defenders.
And I'm not saying that the clones are off limits. But it would have to be a point of argument, because it is such a big one. You could let the judges decide who more effectively argued the point.
