Originally posted by quanchi112
Just becuz Thanos doesnt need an army to carry out his goals doesnt mean he couldnt raise one if he wanted to.
Thanos HAS needed an army to achieve his goals, and used to have a very extensive one, full of pirates and mercenaries.
I would hope that this would be part of your argument.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I still fail to see how Thanos is getting around a FULLY repowered DS who also has a portion of the ALE. able to power granny up to beat an entire pantheon of skyfathers. You prolly should catch up on the times and get your head out of the sandbox that is apokolips now.
For the record, for this debate Darkseid wouldn't have access to those things.
This would be much more straightforward. Just as Thanos wouldn't have access to the Infinity Gauntlet, Cosmic Cube, or Heart of the Universe.
Originally posted by Desaad
For the record, for this debate Darkseid wouldn't have access to those things.This would be much more straightforward. Just as Thanos wouldn't have access to the Infinity Gauntlet, Cosmic Cube, or Heart of the Universe.
Wouldn't have access to what the part of the ALE? DS still has been fully repowered by the time DOG starts. Takion even has highfather's staff. So we know DS is at his original power lvls.
Originally posted by DesaadOk i used Darkseid losses to illustrate my points. Doomsday and Superman with a little of Raker in for good measure. I believe a fight between the two of them would boil down to durability becuz I felt I proved that Thanos wouldnt go down early in the fight like nver tried to prove. But alas that debate is over. Dont forget you said I won the debate.
See, I'm willing to debate the idea that you get the clones or you don't get the clones. I'm not saying you do or don't get them. I'm saying that it is in contention.Is what YOU are saying that you don't really believe that you SHOULD get the clones, but you know that if you lose that pivotal piece that your whole argument is gone?
See, here is the difference between us; I'm willing to have an open discussion and debate on a subject that is extremely central and important to the main debate we are having.
You are not willing to even debate the subject, most likely because you know you don't really have a case, and if you can't effectively prove that you get them then you can't effectively win the debate.
Again; if you think you have what it takes to argue the point, you would take up the challenge. My way still leaves it up in the air. Only you are demanding an artificial leg up.
And again, this wouldn't be the "central" point of the debate. It would certainly be one of the arguments that gets brought up, but there are plenty of other, more straightforward ones that could be brought up. So don't fear that the entire thing is going to hinge on that one point (in the way that, say, you rested most of your debate on Superman/Darkseid).
Again, I urge you to give it a shot if you really believe you can make a good all around case.
If you do not, I totally understand, and I will stop asking you about it. But I would like you to give a straight answer.
I will accept this challenge as I never back down from a challenge. But we will have to iron out our rules and this will be in the future. I have a debate with someone else in the middle of november and want to relax for a few weeks after it becuz that first battlezone wore me out. All those damn scans. Sigh.
But why not dammit I feel Thanos has this in the bag but I know you are an excellent debater and that this will be most interesting.
Originally posted by DesaadYes early on he did. But after his upgrade he just kinda chilled on some barren planet for the most part by himself.
Thanos HAS needed an army to achieve his goals, and used to have a very extensive one, full of pirates and mercenaries.I would hope that this would be part of your argument.
Originally posted by Desaad
Yes, he would be at his normal, classic power levels.But no special items of power. Just more "conventional" resources such as what their technology allows, and their elite fighters.
One could summize that currently Apok tech is far superior to even that of new genesis. Based upon the fact that metron talks shit about new gen tech, but DS, on the other hand, actually is a bit ahead of metron in his analysis of what is killing the new gods, and the shift in the cosmic balance.
On a side note, I wonder what the 5th world is going to be like. I've been waiting for this for years.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok i used Darkseid losses to illustrate my points. Doomsday and Superman with a little of Raker in for good measure. I believe a fight between the two of them would boil down to durability becuz I felt I proved that Thanos wouldnt go down early in the fight like nver tried to prove. But alas that debate is over. Dont forget you said I won the debate.
Right, and I stand by it; on points, I think you won.
But that doesn't change the fact that you heavily focused on one aspect, which is what you are worried I'm going to do.
I was simply using that as a recent example of something I would NOT do.
But why not dammit I feel Thanos has this in the bag but I know you are an excellenet debater and that this will be most interesting.
Hmm, well okay.
What time are you talking about, then?
Originally posted by DesaadDecemberish. What about characters like Adam Warlock?
Right, and I stand by it; on points, I think you won.But that doesn't change the fact that you heavily focused on one aspect, which is what you are worried I'm going to do.
I was simply using that as a recent example of something I would NOT do.
Hmm, well okay.
What time are you talking about, then?
I just dont want it to turn into us attacking the loyalties of each others soldiers for the most part.
Originally posted by Desaad
Right, and I stand by it; on points, I think you won.But that doesn't change the fact that you heavily focused on one aspect, which is what you are worried I'm going to do.
I was simply using that as a recent example of something I would NOT do.
Hmm, well okay.
What time are you talking about, then?
you also thought he won before the votes were cast. 😉 What happened in actuality is what counts. 😱
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
One could summize that currently Apok tech is far superior to even that of new genesis. Based upon the fact that metron talks shit about new gen tech, but DS, on the other hand, actually is a bit ahead of metron in his analysis of what is killing the new gods, and the shift in the cosmic balance.
Well, I disagree with that. New Genesis and Apokolips technology has historically been at a stalemate, and I see no reason why this would be untrue now.
Darkseid might be ahead of Metron in his figuring out what is going on, but that doesn't mean his technology is ahead of him. In fact, we know that this isn't true; Metron has historically been the weaponer of Darkseid, building him the Boom Tubes as well as numerous weapons of war.
Darkseid is probably a better strategist than Metron, and as such is figuring things out faster. But in terms of pure technological advancement...no go. 🙂
On a side note, I wonder what the 5th world is going to be like. I've been waiting for this for years.
Low expectations on my part. Only if Morrison is 100% in charge of this could it possibly succeed (well...Morrison or Simonson).
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlThe judges voted for you but that doesnt mean everyone thought you won the debate. No sir. You already know I feel I won but lets drop it as it just flirts with a flame war.
you also thought he won before the votes were cast. 😉 What happened in actuality is what counts. 😱
Originally posted by quanchi112
Decemberish. What about characters like Adam Warlock?I just dont want it to turn into us attacking the loyalties of each others soldiers for the most part.
It really depends on what tact we take on this. I don't know that Adam would help to conquer a planet, but since its Apokolips he might. I'd be willing to basically say he would help, since he's helped a number of times (of course...he's also killed him...heh).
Also consider at what 'stage' you want to take Thanos. Right before he died in Annihilation?
I honestly think you'd be better off picking the guys who are 1. Absolutely loyal to him 2. Evil, and therefore there wouldn't be any sort of conflict of interest.
So the team that included Super Skrull and the Titanium Man and stuff, I think that is an absolute lock.
Also remember that while individuals can make a difference, I think ultimately the level of technology that they bring into play is going to make a bigger one. So it would behoove you to bring up his ships (Like the Dreadnaught) or his replica of Death's throne, stuff like that.
Originally posted by DesaadBut come on now you know he and Warlock have always respected each other and have worked together before to take on gret evil. He most certainly could have adam warlock and the infinity watchs support. He did in the infinity war and the crusade and there are others to. So I could most defnitely make a case for him to be an ally of Thanos in this situation. So I could bring dumb drax into play here. Warlock wouldnt screw him over and Darkseid is more of a villain than Thanos is anymore. So of course he would help Thanos here as he has in the past. I know I m going to have t bring up Thanos early appearances a lot. I actually could get terrax to maybe. Oh this could get interesting.
It really depends on what tact we take on this. I don't know that Adam would help to conquer a planet, but since its Apokolips he might. I'd be willing to basically say he would help, since he's helped a number of times (of course...he's also killed him...heh).Also consider at what 'stage' you want to take Thanos. Right before he died in Annihilation?
I honestly think you'd be better off picking the guys who are 1. Absolutely loyal to him 2. Evil, and therefore there wouldn't be any sort of conflict of interest.
So the team that included Super Skrull and the Titanium Man and stuff, I think that is an absolute lock.
Also remember that while individuals can make a difference, I think ultimately the level of technology that they bring into play is going to make a bigger one. So it would behoove you to bring up his ships (Like the Dreadnaught) or his replica of Death's throne, stuff like that.