Originally posted by Violent2DopeAgain he never lifted a fleet, its never proven. He was never there when nihilus dragged his ship out of the gravity well
Like what? If you mean lifting the fleet, that is still debatable, and it can be understood to get confused by Tobin. Sion is also pretty overrated.
If he did draw the sith interdictors out of the gravity well(Other ships in telos), they would surely show obvious exterior damage because those ships who got caught by the MSG were very very badly damaged or destroyed.
Now take a look at these:
This is what an undamaged sith interdictor looks like
Here are the sith inderdictors along side the ravager which shows no damage at all :
Heres some more
Originally posted by Manslayer...I wasn't debating for or against it, I was just saying, it would be more of a misunderstanding than overration.
Again he never lifted a fleet, its never proven. He was never there when nihilus dragged his ship out of the gravity wellIf he did draw the sith interdictors out of the gravity well(Other ships in telos), they would surely show obvious exterior damage because those ships who got caught by the MSG were very very badly damaged or destroyed.
Now take a look at these:
This is what an undamaged sith interdictor looks like
Here are the sith inderdictors along side the ravager which shows no damage at all :
Heres some more
Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
Some stupid book said he was the most powerful force user in history, when he got his ass kicked by Mace, Yoda, Vader, and Luke
Luke never kicked sidious ass, nor did vader, nor did yoda for that matter as it was a stalemate.
And the mace windu fight? Vaapad gave him an advantage, so did his shatterpoint, so did sidious not using the lightsaber or force powers for 13 years
Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
Some stupid book said he was the most powerful force user in history, when he got his ass kicked by Mace, Yoda, Vader, and Luke
Excuse me?
First, no book ever declared Sidious to be the most powerful Force user in history, and he's not.
Second, Yoda never kicked his ass. It was a stalemate at best. Mace? He was equipped with innate advantages against dark siders. Luke? Apparently, he was boosted by Leia's battle meditation and had assistance in separating Sidious from his Force Storm. Third, Vader never kicked Sidious's ass -- unless you're referring to him dropping him down a reactor shaft -- which wasn't so much of an ass kicking as it was a surprising move which, yeah, Vader ended up dying from as a result.
So the only person who gave him an "ass kicking" was Mace. If that even qualifies.
Originally posted by caedusrulesall
Thanks.
It's true though, a lot of characters such as Anakin Skywalker, Padme Amidala, Darth Maul and General Grievous get really overrated. Especially Maul.
How so? If anything, Anakin is constantly underrated by people who personally don't like him. How can the Chosen One be overrated? Padme has nothing to be overrated about, Maul is and isn't - all depends on who's talking about him. He was called one of the most deadly sith apprentices ever, so that should say something for him.
GG to me was over-hyped, but what can you do.
But ancient Sith, Bane and all them...overrated. Same with the post ROTJ characters. Its easy to make someone Uber in a book without looking stupid like it would in a movie.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
How so? If anything, Anakin is constantly underrated by people who personally don't like him. How can the Chosen One be overrated?
Quite easily. Because someone has the potential to be something great doesn't imply their power. Anakin should be the strongest person in the SW Universe, uncontested. However, there a many PT Era Jedi that can contend with him. Hell, at his peak, he's only what, 80% of Sidious? Just because he is the Chosen One implies only one thing, potential, not pure combat prowess or strength.
80% of Sidious is mech Vader's peak, Anakin had more raw power than that, it just wasn't refined to the point where it would be effective. Anakin was still able to do things that his "peers," should they be called that, couldn't. GL says that during the AOTC commentary when he jumps out of the speeder. His power in uncanny, and by ROTS, he could destroy virtually anyone around him when he's in his proper mind-state. If anything, people underrate him cause of his lack of patience as a teen and his loss to OB1 via blinding rage. Had he been in the same mental state as he was with Dooku, Ob1 wouldn't have left Mustafar.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
80% of Sidious is mech Vader's peak, Anakin had more raw power than that, it just wasn't refined to the point where it would be effective. Anakin was still able to do things that his "peers," should they be called that, couldn't. GL says that during the AOTC commentary when he jumps out of the speeder. His power in uncanny, and by ROTS, he could destroy virtually anyone around him when he's in his proper mind-state. If anything, people underrate him cause of his lack of patience as a teen and his loss to OB1 via blinding rage. Had he been in the same mental state as he was with Dooku, Ob1 wouldn't have left Mustafar.
While you are true about Anakin limiting himself with his emotions, you can't forget that it is a character trait within him. He always lets his emotions fuel his actions, and it can result in victory, like his duel with Dooku, or his defeat, like his duel with Obi-Wan. It's funny how people always say that Anakin would have one again Obi-Wan had he not had emotion, yet he won using his emotion against Dooku. It's a double-edged sword for him.
Uh....how is Bane overrated? I've never heard anybody say any ridiculous statements about him; the eradication of the Brotherhood of Darkness and the Army of Light wasn't luck, it was masterstroke. He also gained greater insight into the ways of the Force through his studies and his actions. Am I overrating him by saying that?
I have to say, IMO, from an in-universe perspective, wouldn't it make sense for half of these characters to be overrated in some way? Thousands of years, billions of people, millions of stars....legends, both from true and dubious sources, are bound to crop up and cloud the truth of the matter.
If anything, instead of Revan-hating or the like, I think the one thing that people should be clamouring against would be the entire Legacy storyline. WTF? It renders the entire saga completely pointless.
