Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlLook, Classic Beyonder was made to be a be-all end-all omnipotent character, above the entire pantheon, and MM was the only one who could possibly have a chance.
Then that would mean, that you can't compare the classic MM to the Actual LT, you can only use what the MM did in the story.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Look, Classic Beyonder was made to be a be-all end-all omnipotent character, above the entire pantheon, and MM was the only one who could possibly have a chance.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He didn't steam roll Classic MM, Gave up a good portion of his power to kill death, couldn't ressurect her unless someone willing gave up thiers for hers ect.
Actually Nvr, that is not quote true. The reason he killed Death was because he wanted to be a Champion to life and he thought that was what everyone wanted. After MM tried to destroy the flower and told him what a bone-headed thing it was to kill Death he went about bringing her/him back.
In order to bring Death back he had to kill someone to bring the Death manifestation back however, he was still sticking with the champion for life thing. The reason that the person had to be "willing" is that he wanted it to be their choice. I forget whom he was with but that person volunteered to be the sacrificial lamb as it were, to be a somebody.
My point is that the person did not necessarily have to be a willing person, only the Beyonder wanted them to volunteer for it so as to not go against his morals at that time. I would bet money that if the situation was different and he abandoned his morals he would not have had any more trouble in killing him than if he had volunteered.
Originally posted by Cubicks
Actually Nvr, that is not quote true. The reason he killed Death was because he wanted to be a Champion to life and he thought that was what everyone wanted. After MM tried to destroy the flower and told him what a bone-headed thing it was to kill Death he went about bringing her/him back.In order to bring Death back he had to kill someone to bring the Death manifestation back however, he was still sticking with the champion for life thing. The reason that the person had to be "willing" is that he wanted it to be their choice. I forget whom he was with but that person volunteered to be the sacrificial lamb as it were, to be a somebody.
My point is that the person did not necessarily have to be a willing person, only the Beyonder wanted them to volunteer for it so as to not go against his morals at that time. I would bet money that if the situation was different and he abandoned his morals he would not have had any more trouble in killing him than if he had volunteered.
He still used up a great portion of his power killing death. He also didn't just snap his finger and blink MM out. He also wasn't smart. At ALL.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well the spectre without a host is an outright buffoon.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlSee what I mean its like you just argue even though he was easily fooled. I mean he was going to try to kill himself and he didnt even know that magic cant be completely destroyed. He was doing more harm than good. The guys an imbecile. He needs a host becuz he gets confused.
Not so much of a bafoon that he figured out that he would beat everyone eventually. And he figured out how to out right beat the unbeatable PS and Mxy. He was tricked by a being who was older than he was. If you count that as a bafoon, that would mean that everyone thanos beat thru prep are idiots cuz thanos ain't even an abstract.
Originally posted by quanchi112
See what I mean its like you just argue even though he was easily fooled. I mean he was going to try to kill himself and he didnt even know that magic cant be completely destroyed. He was doing more harm than good. The guys an imbecile. He needs a host becuz he gets confused.
You mean a hostless spectre is easily tricked by the former wrath of god? a being as old as sin itself? There isn't anyone that eclipso can't trick or manipulate given time. Unless you actually know she's trying to pwn you. And a hostless spectre is just that. Pure raw power. No guidance. You actually think that Being tricked by Eclipso makes someone an idiot. Now that is idiotic. Given who eclipso is. I could see if the spectre got tricked by The joker.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlWell the joker did cage the spectre but thats another story. 😆
You mean a hostless spectre is easily tricked by the former wrath of god? a being as old as sin itself? There isn't anyone that eclipso can't trick or manipulate given time. Unless you actually know she's trying to pwn you. And a hostless spectre is just that. Pure raw power. No guidance. You actually think that Being tricked by Eclipso makes someone an idiot. Now that is idiotic. Given who eclipso is. I could see if the spectre got tricked by The joker.
Ok eclipso is one of Darkseid's creations and it doesnt seem like she can trick him now does it? I dont care who tricked the spectre its the logic that was used against spectre. I mean anyone could have figured it out but he was so brainwashed and confused he blindly was deceived. The wrath hostless can be easily manipulated is all I am saying. If yo get someone intelligent in there its a different story but on his own hes a moron with a lot of power. The guy wanted to kill himself after he destroyed all magic even though the tard didnt realize he couldnt destroy all magic.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well the joker did cage the spectre but thats another story. 😆Ok eclipso is one of Darkseid's creations and it doesnt seem like she can trick him now does it? I dont care who tricked the spectre its the logic that was used against spectre. I mean anyone could have figured it out but he was so brainwashed and confused he blindly was deceived. The wrath hostless can be easily manipulated is all I am saying. If yo get someone intelligent in there its a different story but on his own hes a moron with a lot of power. The guy wanted to kill himself after he destroyed all magic even though the tard didnt realize he couldnt destroy all magic.
And thanos beating the elders was purely idiotic. most of those tricks he used where moronic and they fell for it. You get what I'm saying? I could have beaten thanos in any one of those situations. You see how easy that is. Eclipso's powers dont' work on DS becuz like it or not, Darksied is a bad mother ****er.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlEclipso doesnt work on Darkseid becuz he created her and thats it. Why punish Thanos for outthinking characters. Spectre is a dolt just accept it. Hes one powerful dolt on his own.
And thanos beating the elders was purely idiotic. most of those tricks he used where moronic and they fell for it. You get what I'm saying? I could have beaten thanos in any one of those situations. You see how easy that is. Eclipso's powers dont' work on DS becuz like it or not, Darksied is a bad mother ****er.
Darkseid isnt a bad motherfukcer anymore.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Eclipso doesnt work on Darkseid becuz he created her and thats it. Why punish Thanos for outthinking characters. Spectre is a dolt just accept it. Hes one powerful dolt on his own.Darkseid isnt a bad motherfukcer anymore.
Yeah. LOL. That is why granny goodness was powered up beyond skyfather lvl to beat the greek pantheon. You dont' believe me? There is a whole discussion on it from countdown writers in this months wizard. It pays to read wizard sometimes.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Eclipso doesnt work on Darkseid becuz he created her and thats it. Why punish Thanos for outthinking characters. Spectre is a dolt just accept it. Hes one powerful dolt on his own.Darkseid isnt a bad motherfukcer anymore.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I do but if I start then it will be Quan vs all of the Ds backers. Im not in the mood for the same repetitive argument tonight. I mean they conveniently ignore what they dont like.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlBecuz all of the feats you describe are exaggerated ones. I mean who gives a shit if he survived a blast from High fathers staff. Name me one powerful character that it oneshotted?
and you ignore what you don't like. So stop with the bullshit.
you never mention the fact that DS has created actual realities, Destroyed a fifth of one, took a solar system destroying blast from the ALE aspect, withstood an attack from highfather's staff, ect. You just down play them. Your bullshit knows no limits. But you only see others. you make me 😘
Face it without manipulation and the ale Darkseid is Kal'el's bich.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Becuz all of the feats you describe are exaggerated ones. I mean who gives a shit if he survived a blast from High fathers staff. Name me one powerful character that it oneshotted?Face it without manipulation and the ale Darkseid is Kal'el's bich.