Classic Molecule Man vs Ultimator and all of 5d Imps

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This is the only part the concerns me. In that Setting the LT would win.
And what setting is the LT currently in? Being in God's favor.

I agree, if we put current LT vs current MM or Beyonder, then current LT wins.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl

The Two classic beings,

even at thier classic power lvls, can't beat the LT.

Not while he's in God's favor.

Here I disagree though friend,
cause if they're at their "classic levels" then they are above the LT,
they can't both be in "god's favor" simultaneously.

So we know from experience,
that during Beyonder's and MM's "classic levels" Toaa/god had preference for them,
so,
when we gauge on panel historical facts,
we land at,
if Pre-retcon Beyonder and MM are in a book with the LT, then they are more powerful,
because from experience and evidence,
Toaa/god prefers them over the LT.

Bottom line is MM wins this as he was more powerful than the Lt. Lets not all bring the writers or editors into this. Of course they can do whatever they want and have aunt may ko either if they so choose to.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree, if we put current LT vs current MM or Beyonder, then current LT wins.

Here I disagree though friend,
cause if they're at their "classic levels" then they are above the LT,
they can't both be in "god's favor" simultaneously.

So we know from experience,
that during Beyonder's and MM's "classic levels" Toaa/god had preference for them,
so,
when we gauge on panel historical facts,
we land at,
if Pre-retcon Beyonder and MM are in a book with the LT, then they are more powerful,
because from experience and evidence,
Toaa/god prefers them over the LT.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree, if we put current LT vs current MM or Beyonder, then current LT wins.

Here I disagree though friend,
cause if they're at their "classic levels" then they are above the LT,
they can't both be in "god's favor" simultaneously.

And hence the retcon either moved them down or moved LT up?

Originally posted by Mr Master
So we know from experience,
that during Beyonder's and MM's "classic levels" Toaa/god had preference for them,
so,
when we gauge on panel historical facts,
we land at,
if Pre-retcon Beyonder and MM are in a book with the LT, then they are more powerful,
because from experience and evidence,
Toaa/god prefers them over the LT.

Its why I was initially saying that 2=2

They were the favored back then. LT is the favored now.

Lt of back then loses, MM and beyonder of now lose.

So the question is who'd win of the two from then against the lt of now?

And on the reverse the LT of then with the MM and beyonder of now?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wasn't TOAA not mentioned back then?
So they were pretty much operating under their own power?

I agree,
but since it was sorta revealed that Toaa/god (in Marvel)
is the avatar on panel of the writers & artists in the real world,
I guess it's ok for us to assume that though we never heard about Toaa/god,
he was there, drawing in his studio everything that takes place in Creation
as depicted in FF #511.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And hence the retcon either moved them down or moved LT up?

I'd say they moved down, LT stayed in place.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which is why he demoted them?

Its why I was initially saying that 2=2

They were the favored back then. LT is the favored now.

I agree.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Lt of back then loses, MM and beyonder of now lose.

I agree.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So the question is who'd win of the two from then against the lt of now?

The current thread running elsewhere as we speak.

I'd say since Toaa/god still shows preference for others equal or over the LT even now,
ie. Scathan, Protege, Reed's mind, THOTI, Mankind,
I don't see why Toaa/god wouldn't show them (Beyonder/MM) preference again.

I say this because it's what happened historically,
from experience and evidence we know that the Beyonder/MM of that specific era,
were portaryed as being above the LT,
(who's always been second to Toaa/god ...
or an equal entity with no name as depicted)

That was 18 years ago ... I believe Thor meant Toaa/god.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And on the reverse the LT of then with the MM and beyonder of now?

LT would win this.

Classic MM beats current LT. Current LT is not backed up by TOAA. His only superior is TOAA however. TOAA wrote Classic MM and Beyonder stronger than LT during retcon days. Classic MM stomps this team as well.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Classic MM beats current LT. Current LT is not backed up by TOAA. His only superior is TOAA however. TOAA wrote Classic MM and Beyonder stronger than LT during retcon days. Classic MM stomps this team as well.

The Ultimator is superior to even Mxy. And the entire host of imps. Mxy has done more on panel than the classic beyonder. You are trying to use ABC logic to justify pre retconns winning. That wont' work. That is why we dont' use it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree,
but since it was sorta revealed that Toaa/god (in Marvel)
is the avatar on panel of the writers & artists in the real world,
I guess it's ok for us to assume that though we never heard about Toaa/god,
he was there, drawing in his studio everything that takes place in Creation
as depicted in FF #511.

I'd say they moved down, LT stayed in place.

I agree.

I agree.

The current thread running elsewhere as we speak.

I'd say since Toaa/god still shows preference for others equal or over the LT even now,
ie. Scathan, Protege, Reed's mind, THOTI, Mankind,
I don't see why Toaa/god wouldn't show them (Beyonder/MM) preference again.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I say this because it's what happened historically,
from experience and evidence we know that the Beyonder/MM of that specific era,
were portaryed as being above the LT,

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Ultimator is superior to even Mxy. And the entire host of imps. Mxy has done more on panel than the classic beyonder. You are trying to use ABC logic to justify pre retconns winning. That wont' work. That is why we dont' use it.

Nvr everybody on this board knows Classic MM wins. Classic MM was shown and stated to be more powerful than LT on panel. LT is greater than 5th and 10th dimension. There is only one TOAA and current LT is not backed up by TOAA. Classic MM and Beyonder were. Classic MM wins in a curbstomp.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Nvr everybody on this board knows Classic MM wins. Classic MM was shown and stated to be more powerful than LT on panel. LT is greater than 5th and 10th dimension. There is only one TOAA and current LT is not backed up by TOAA. Classic MM and Beyonder were. Classic MM wins in a curbstomp.

everyone on this board does not. Actually more people agree with me. Just a few marvel fan atics who think that shouting it loudly will change the fact that the LT is superior.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because showing them preference would be to use the LT of back then, and not the LT of now. If you use the LT of now, he is favored.

The LT of that era. Not the LT of today.

Current LT is not backed up by TOAA.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
everyone on this board does not. Actually more people agree with me. Just a few marvel fan atics who think that shouting it loudly will change the fact that the LT is superior.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Nvr everybody on this board knows Classic MM wins.

The popular bvote had Wolverine beat Lobo and Storm beat wonderwoman.

Popular doesn't mean correct.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Classic MM was shown and stated to be more powerful than LT on panel.

Originally posted by Air Legend
LT is greater than 5th and 10th dimension. There is only one TOAA and current LT is not backed up by TOAA.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Classic MM and Beyonder were. Classic MM wins in a curbstomp.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Didnt mr master say that MM wins. 😆

Mister master is just one opinion of many.

Originally posted by Air Legend
There is only one LT and the LT has never been retconned. WTF are you trying to say?

Current LT is not backed up by TOAA.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I don't buy any of this bull. It does not interest me.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I don't buy any of this bull. It does not interest me.

You see what I deal with. And yet I'm called nvrhadaclue and other names. It's like talking to a brick wall.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Mister master is just one opinion of many.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You see what I deal with. And yet I'm called nvrhadaclue and other names. It's like talking to a brick wall.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You see what I deal with. And yet I'm called nvrhadaclue and other names. It's like talking to a brick wall.