Do you have telepathic or telekinetic powers?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
It's unfair, how come all the idiots get the special powers?

Shhsh 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Zebedee
Well you do believe in Karma and reincarnation right?

Karma is not supernatural.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=447678

Reincarnation could be considered to be supernatural, but I actually believe in simultaneous incarnation.I believe that simultaneous incarnation to be natural, but I cannot prove that.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Karma is not supernatural.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=447678

Reincarnation could be considered to be supernatural, but I actually believe in simultaneous incarnation.I believe that simultaneous incarnation to be natural, but I cannot prove that.

I think many would consider Karma to be supernatural Shaky.

Originally posted by Zebedee
I think many would consider Karma to be supernatural Shaky.

I dunno man, thats a matter of opinion isnt it?

Originally posted by Zebedee
I think many would consider Karma to be supernatural Shaky.

Did you read the thread?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Did you read the thread?

No because I know that no empirical data or scientific laws invovle Karma. I know no natural processes underoin it as a theory. Therefore if it is not part of the natural it is supernatural,

Originally posted by Zebedee
No because I know that no empirical data or scientific laws invovle Karma. I know no natural processes underoin it as a theory. Therefore if it is not part of the natural it is supernatural,

So if you cant prove if something exists its supernatural? I dont think people consider aliens to be superntaural, yeah you might find them in that section but an alien is just another lifeform.

Originally posted by Zebedee
No because I know that no empirical data or scientific laws invovle Karma. I know no natural processes underoin it as a theory. Therefore if it is not part of the natural it is supernatural,

I present to you the proposal that you have no idea what Karma is. Please read the first part of the thread above and you will see that I am correct. Try it, you might like it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So if you cant prove if something exists its supernatural? I dont think people consider aliens to be superntaural, yeah you might find them in that section but an alien is just another lifeform.

Tell me about these aliens. I'm sure if aliens are real they are based on scientificly explainable principles. Which have a basis in present ideas and theories.

What subatomic particle influences Karma and reincarnation?

Originally posted by Zebedee
Tell me about these aliens. I'm sure if aliens are real they are based on scientificly explainable principles. Which have a basis in present ideas and theories.

My point is that you cant prove wether aliens exist but you can prove logically that they may exist the samething could go for god.

Originally posted by Zebedee

What subatomic particle influences Karma and reincarnation?

Im not an expert on Karma.

Originally posted by Zebedee
Tell me about these aliens. I'm sure if aliens are real they are based on scientificly explainable principles. Which have a basis in present ideas and theories.

What subatomic particle influences Karma and reincarnation?

I can't speak for reincarnation, but Karma is straight forward. Karma is the flow and direction of cause and effect.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I can't speak for reincarnation, but Karma is straight forward. Karma is the flow and direction of cause and effect.

That means thought that your talking about hitherto undiscovered positive and negative energies which are somehow able to keep a cumulative tally of each other.

Some kind of "Force".

Originally posted by Alfheim
My point is that you cant prove wether aliens exist

in fact you can, we just have not

Originally posted by Alfheim
but you can prove logically that they may exist

correction: You can provide your own interpretations of the Drake equation, however, given that we only know of life occuring on one planet, we cannot "logically" say anything about life elsewhere. The best estimate would be based on the probability of variables we are very much unfamiliar with, and will always be subject to the Fermi Paradox.

Originally posted by Alfheim
the samething could go for god.

absolutly not

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I can't speak for reincarnation, but Karma is straight forward. Karma is the flow and direction of cause and effect.

I always thought you saw Karma as more of a metaphore for social interaction...

Or maybe thats what I just read into it...

Originally posted by inimalist
in fact you can, we just have not

You could say the samething about God. So why havent we proved that alens exist?

Originally posted by inimalist

correction: You can provide your own interpretations of the Drake equation, however, given that we only know of life occuring on one planet, we cannot "logically" say anything about life elsewhere.

The best estimate would be based on the probability of variables we are very much unfamiliar with, and will always be subject to the Fermi Paradox.

Define logic for me please. I thought Cause and Effect was a theory that used logic to prove that God may exist.

Originally posted by inimalist

absolutly not

Right ok, are you going to go any further and explain why not? I was under the impression that Cause and Effect was a logical concept used that may logically prove the existance of god

Originally posted by Zebedee
You can prove that, can you? The CIA believed in it,

Sleep paralysis is scientifically proven.

Sleep paralysis is a condition characterized by temporary paralysis of the body shortly after waking up (known as hypnopompic paralysis) or, less often, shortly before falling asleep (known as hypnagogic paralysis).

Physiologically, it is closely related to the paralysis that occurs as a natural part of REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, which is known as REM atonia. Sleep paralysis occurs when the brain awakes from a REM state, but the bodily paralysis persists. This leaves the person fully aware, but unable to move. In addition, the state may be accompanied by hypnagogic hallucinations.

More often than not, sleep paralysis is believed by the person affected by it to be no more than a dream. This explains many dream recountings which describe the person lying frozen and unable to move. The hallucinatory element to sleep paralysis makes it even more likely that someone will interpret the experience as a dream, since completely fanciful, or dream-like, objects may appear in the room alongside one's normal vision.

I've experienced it many times, most often when I was using drugs recreationally and suffering from sleep deprivation. When I did sleep, it was fitfully and waking up was always difficult. Not to mention that before falling asleep I often believed I had stopped breathing. Pretty nasty, but not supernatural 😉

Originally posted by debbiejo
I'm somewhat empathic.

Originally posted by Zebedee
What am I feeling now?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Stupid.

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Originally posted by Syren
Sleep paralysis is scientifically proven.

Sleep paralysis is a condition characterized by temporary paralysis of the body shortly after waking up (known as hypnopompic paralysis) or, less often, shortly before falling asleep (known as hypnagogic paralysis).

Physiologically, it is closely related to the paralysis that occurs as a natural part of REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, which is known as REM atonia. Sleep paralysis occurs when the brain awakes from a REM state, but the bodily paralysis persists. This leaves the person fully aware, but unable to move. In addition, the state may be accompanied by hypnagogic hallucinations.

More often than not, sleep paralysis is believed by the person affected by it to be no more than a dream. This explains many dream recountings which describe the person lying frozen and unable to move. The hallucinatory element to sleep paralysis makes it even more likely that someone will interpret the experience as a dream, since completely fanciful, or dream-like, objects may appear in the room alongside one's normal vision.

I've experienced it many times, most often when I was using drugs recreationally and suffering from sleep deprivation. When I did sleep, it was fitfully and waking up was always difficult. Not to mention that before falling asleep I often believed I had stopped breathing. Pretty nasty, but not supernatural 😉

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Yes, but no one disagreed about sleep paralysis. The disagreement was that if that accounted for all out of body experiences. Which of course it doesn't. Sorry to hear about your sleep problems though. Your lack of breathing may be sleep apnia. If it is the doctor will get you a machine to solve it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You could say the samething about God. So why havent we proved that alens exist?

Define logic for me please. I thought Cause and Effect was a theory that used logic to prove that God may exist.

Right ok, are you going to go any further and explain why not? I was under the impression that Cause and Effect was a logical concept used that may logically prove the existance of god

lol, we have had this argument before. Your example has been used since the dawn of philosophy to try and prove the existence of God.

The answer is that using the law of "cause and effect" (which isn't a real law, more of short hand for the laws of thermodynamics...) we can say that, as far as the evidence shows, the universe must have had a start.

To assume that the start of the universe is somehow supernatural or that God had to start it is not a logical jump, it is actually the logical fallacy of "argument from personal incredulity" (I can't imagine a natural cause for the beginning of the universe, so therefore it must be supernatural).

For God to be a logical answer to the question of "where did the universe come from" or "what started the universe", there would need to be some evidence that alludes to a supernatural vs natural universe. What evidence do you know of that shows our universe was clearly supernatural in origin, and not natural?

I do not have any sort of special powers. I do, however, have the ability to make a mean grilled peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

I don't think the concept of karma needs necessarily to include supernatural forces within its definition.