Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Well, that's only one way of interpreting it.It doesn't have to be some intangible entity sitting there keeping a score card.
(Newton's Third Law)
Ahh, but how does the bad Karma get decided upon. I don't see Karma as eqaul and opposite reactions as in many examples Karma doesn't appear cumulative. For instance if I was a multiple rapist but I saved two peoples lives. How does the fictional positive and negative energy tally? Does it have a shelf life? Say I raped someone 10 years ago and saved someones life 15 years ago, how are they ofset? I'm afraid your definition doesn't work under Newtons third law really, to many subjective elements. It requires a definitive definition of positive and negative in all situations.
Originally posted by Zebedee
Ahh, but how does the bad Karma get decided upon. I don't see Karma as eqaul and opposite reactions as in many examples Karma doesn't appear cumulative. For instance if I was a multiple rapist but I saved two peoples lives. How does the fictional positive and negative energy tally? Does it have a shelf life? Say I raped someone 10 years ago and saved someones life 15 years ago, how are they ofset? I'm afraid your definition doesn't work under Newtons third law really, to many subjective elements. It requires a definitive definition of positive and negative in all situations.
I was being flippant with the Newton thing.
It isn't a scientifically measurable thing, though that's not what I said.
It's just common sense that if you go round acting like a ****, it is likely to come back on you in some way, at some time. Not definitely, but probably. That's not supernatural, it's perfectly explainable.
I only said it needn't be a supernatural idea.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I was being flippant with the Newton thing.It isn't a scientifically measurable thing, though that's not what I said.
It's just common sense that if you go round acting like a ****, it is likely to come back on you in some way, at some time. Not definitely, but probably. That's not supernatural, it's perfectly explainable.
I only said it needn't be a supernatural idea.
I would agree with a lot of that. Although true karmic definitions are supernatual. I hoped you were being flippant with Newtons name. Did you know Newton himself was prone to rages and a little schitzo maybe. He also acted like a dick a lot. Newton also spent most of his time doing alchemy and not physics. That's true by the way and not something dodgy from the internet.
Originally posted by Zebedee
Ahh, but how does the bad Karma get decided upon. I don't see Karma as eqaul and opposite reactions as in many examples Karma doesn't appear cumulative. For instance if I was a multiple rapist but I saved two peoples lives. How does the fictional positive and negative energy tally? Does it have a shelf life? Say I raped someone 10 years ago and saved someones life 15 years ago, how are they ofset? I'm afraid your definition doesn't work under Newtons third law really, to many subjective elements. It requires a definitive definition of positive and negative in all situations.
Is there such a thing as bad cause and effect?
There is no positive or negative energy tally in Karma.
Cause and effect are simultaneous.
Karma has nothing to do with Justus.
If you are going to talk about Karma, please learn something about it.
If cause and effect is the water; Karma is the river.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Is there such a thing as bad cause and effect?There is no positive or negative energy tally in Karma.
Cause and effect are simultaneous.
Karma has nothing to do with Justus.
If you are going to talk about Karma, please learn something about it.
If cause and effect is the water; Karma is the river.
Cause and effective is he issue how do you tally cause and effect. Is it cumulative, what's it's shelf life.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no shelf life; cause and effect are simultaneous. I think I already said that. Do you understand what the word simultaneous means?
In Karma cause and effect are not simultaneous though are they. Cause and effect also does not have to be similtaneous, causuality can be deffered, or cause does not have to engender effect at all. E.g. the person who smokes for 50 years and never gets cancer.
Originally posted by Zebedee
In Karma cause and effect are not simultaneous though are they. Cause and effect also does not have to be similtaneous, causuality can be deffered, or cause does not have to engender effect at all. E.g. the person who smokes for 50 years and never gets cancer.
Cause and effect are very small things. Cancer is not the effect of the smoking; Smoking sets off a multitude of causes and effects that cascade through a person’s life. However there are countless other causes in that person’s life, that also have effects. A person getting cancer or not is determined by that person’s Karma, not cause and effect. Remember, cause and effect is the water; Karma is the river.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Cause and effect are very small things. Cancer is not the effect of the smoking; Smoking sets off a multitude of causes and effects that cascade through a person’s life. However there are countless other causes in that person’s life, that also have effects. A person getting cancer or not is determined by that person’s Karma, not cause and effect. Remember, cause and effect is the water; Karma is the river.
Let's use another then as you don't like the cancer example. Cause of a speeding ticket = speeding no cop around to see it = no effect. By getting away with this have I built up bad Karma no I win the lottery the next day. However the week before I murdered a family in there beds. What's your point?
Originally posted by Zebedee
Let's use another then as you don't like the cancer example. Cause of a speeding ticket = speeding no cop around to see it = no effect. By getting away with this have I built up bad Karma no I win the lottery the next day. However the week before I murdered a family in there beds. What's your point?
You are confusing things. Lets stay with the speeding only. You speed and you get away with it. You have created Karma in your life that will make it more likely that you will speed again. The more you speed, the more risk you take in your driving habits. If you get a ticket or loose your life in a car accident, you only have yourself to blame for the Karma in your life.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are confusing things. Lets stay with the speeding only. You speed and you get away with it. You have created Karma in your life that will make it more likely that you will speed again. The more you speed, the more risk you take in your driving habits. If you get a ticket or loose your life in a car accident, you only have yourself to blame for the Karma in your life.
So Karma causes speeding?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Did I say that?The things you do manifest in your life. If you kill someone; that action manifests its self in your life.
You are trying to place Christian ideas onto Karma, and it will not work.
What if you kill and rape people but only bad people and you save good people. What happens then.
And yes you did say that.
Originally posted by Zebedee
What if you kill and rape people but only bad people and you save good people. What happens then.And yes you did say that.
No, I did not say that Karma causes speeding.
You are confusing things. Lets stay with the speeding only. You speed and you get away with it. You have created Karma in your life that will make it more likely that you will speed again. The more you speed, the more risk you take in your driving habits. If you get a ticket or loose your life in a car accident, you only have yourself to blame for the Karma in your life.
I said that getting away with speeding creates Karma in your life. That Karma makes it more likely that you will speed again. Karma creates paths in your life; it is always up to you to choose your path.
Again you are trying to place Christian ideas onto Karma. There are no bad or good people. Only the things that people do can be considered to be good or bad, and that is relative.
Originally posted by Zebedee
The CIA believe in it, don't they?http://www.subversiveelement.com/Mind_Control_Star_Gate.html
You're talking about a government that tried to make a gay-bomb.