Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlPre-Crisis Firestorm?
And it matters not, PC firestorm doesn't exist any long and niether does the feat.
As far as I know, FS taps his powers from a completely different plane of reality, [the Firestorm-Matrix].
Thus,
The only way to have 'altered' FS himself, is to have somehow affected the Matrix -- Have you evidence that the Matrix was mucked with during the Crisis?
And FYI,
That feat is still canonical to Darky. 😉
Originally posted by Galan007
Pre-Crisis Firestorm?As far as I know, FS taps his powers from a completely different plane of reality, [the Firestorm-Matrix].
Thus,
The only way to have 'altered' FS himself, is to have somehow affected the Matrix -- Have you evidence that the Matrix was mucked with during the Crisis?
And FYI,
That feat is still canonical to Darky. 😉
Then DS in true form can still lay a smack down to the likes of PC superman. Which means he is Thanos's Superior. Going by averages, DS is leagues above thanos in strength, if we are using PC feats.
Originally posted by Galan007
You didn't answer my question. ermmhappy
I dont' even know if there was a concept of Firestorm matrix in the pre crisis days. But since the NEW FS seems more powerful than even the old, and got pwned with a reach, I'd say that the matrix is different somehow. Do I have evidence, no. But thier encounters just seem vastly differnt.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
powerscalingSuperman is stronger then almost anybody in the marvelverse
Darkseid is stronger then supes
Originally posted by darthgoober
Just a couple of things wrong with that. See Supes isn't THAT far behind DS physically, Hell a case could even be made of their being right on par with each other in that department. Thanos on the other hand, has always been shown to be league's ahead of Thor strength wise. Thanos was actually manhandling Thor way back in the day, and Thanos has since had two major upgrades since then. Supes may be stronger than Thor, but it's not by THAT much so I fail to see an actual indication of DS being stronger than Thanos.
Dan Jurgens, the writer of Hunter prey, says that Superman is Millions of times more powerful than thor. So you know what he thinks about Doomsday's strength lvl, and Also DS. Puts things in perspective doesn't it.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I Don't think so. mangog yes. Thanos. no. On par with. Maybe slightly on the average. But superman has the far superior feats between thanos and he.
I believe Thanos to be physically superior because of the way he’s taken out Surfer with a couple of punches while Surfer was pretty much unaffected by punches from the Hulk. Thanos also went toe to toe with Thor with the Power Gem, and I’m sure that there are several other instances where Thanos was shown to be physically superior to top-tiers.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Just a couple of things wrong with that. See Supes isn't THAT far behind DS physically
Hell a case could even be made of their being right on par with each other in that department. Thanos on the other hand, has always been shown to be league's ahead of Thor strength wise.
Thanos was actually manhandling Thor way back in the day, and Thanos has since had two major upgrades since then. Supes may be stronger than Thor, but it's not by THAT much so I fail to see an actual indication of DS being stronger than Thanos.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
The problem with that is that A writer ho has written BOTH characters stated that superman was millions of time stronger then thor. All of this while thanos is consistently only about 3-7 times stronger.
That’s just a writers opinion, and it really doesn’t amount to shit in the Vs. forum.
We go by on-panel feats and showings, and on-panel Thor has shown to be Superman’s equal in physical strength.
Joe Casey who wrote the Juggernaut storyline Eight Day, has said that Superman would beat Juggernaut, Galactus, etc.
He went as far as to say that Superman was unbeatable and had no limits whatsoever. He also said Darkseid would never beat Superman. But we all know that’s bullshit, which is why we go by on-panel showings and not what writers say during interviews.
And, I'd like to see where this writer said Superman was more powerful than Thor.