Originally posted by Sirius77
Runner is basically marvel's Flash. All except
he doesn't job like the Flash does.
Technically, if the Flash were to not job, no one
would beat him under HIGH level cosmic, because
he is too fast for anyone to even touch. But
people do.
Don't look at it as Flash jobbing, but rather bounded by mortal constraints. The runner not only does not have those constraints, but has some other nifty powers too. He obviously takes this match.
Originally posted by tkitna
The Runner isnt just Marvels answer to the Flash. Besides being that fast, he is an elder and contains the power primordial (basically the power cosmic).He beats Superman to death easily everytime.
You tend to exaggerate. The Runner is powerful, but he won't
walk away from this unscathed and Superman will most likely
survive. He'll just be ko'ed.
The Flash would win this one. Especially current.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Don't look at it as Flash jobbing, but rather bounded by mortal constraints. The runner not only does not have those constraints, but has some other nifty powers too. He obviously takes this match.
The Flash runs at trillions of times the speed of light. Easily.
To say that he is not jobbing to when someone like Superman
(though Superman is waaaaay faster than light) could tag him
is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Sirius77
You tend to exaggerate. The Runner is powerful, but he won't
walk away from this unscathed and Superman will most likely
survive. He'll just be ko'ed.The Flash would win this one. Especially current.
A nonjobbing Runner should beat Superman everytime and be unscathed.
As for the Flash, I cant comment as I dont read him, but it seems like DC made him second only to Jesus in power according to this forum.
Originally posted by Sirius77
You tend to exaggerate. The Runner is powerful, but he won't
walk away from this unscathed and Superman will most likely
survive. He'll just be ko'ed.The Flash would win this one. Especially current.
Why wouldn't he be unscathed superman would have to hit him and that's not to say he could not take a punch from supe's
According to Wiki Flash run slightly faster than light speed, this is still imressive, but it does not state that he can move millions of times faster than light speed. All the same, I think Superman would beat the hell out of the Runner, just because he was able to defeat Surfer when they first met does not mean anything. Also I thought that Surfer fought him again and won.
Originally posted by Sirius77
The Flash runs at trillions of times the speed of light. Easily.To say that he is not jobbing to when someone like Superman
(though Superman is waaaaay faster than light) could tag him
is ridiculous.
According to the nuclear bomb feat? The same could be said for Surfer in the IG saga. Logic has to step in at some point, as it obviously is not what the writers wanted. I will freely admit that the flash is a PIS-heavy character, but I simply put his getting tagged down to the fact that he isn't always at top speed all the time, and that although he possesses superhuman speed of thought, it is still bounded by human rationality.
Superman has also raced with flash (different incarnations) and tied most of the time, with a couple of speedforce losses. The flash has the potential to hit ridiculous speeds, but his median showings negate that. It could have been jobbing in his getting hit by SM, but he has been hit by far less on average showings.
None of that matters with the Runner. A much higher base power, energy blasts and his ability to affect emotions give him the match.
Originally posted by Sirius77
No, I give credit where credit is due, and believe me, Superman is
one of the fastest characters in DC, but he's just not faster than the Runner. Syaing that he is faster than Runner would mean that he is faster than the Flas, which is not so. Superboy-Prime was faster than all of the Flashes, but I think that we can both agree that Superman (or ANYONE else for that matter) even mildly keeping up with Superboy-Primes movements, much less speedblitzing him into the Red sun is pis and jobbing on Superboy-Prime's part.
Superman did as well as any of the speedforce guys at keeping up with Superboy prime. PIS or not in your opinion. It happened and it's canon. Superman is that fast.