Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Yeah cuz you really need speed when fighting Thanos. His movements, his reflexes... just amazing. He's known for that.
Hes known for being extremely dangerous. Didnt Thanos train the most dangerous women in the universe? In H2H he doesnt seem as fast as Gamora but they were only sparring, as far as I know he did actually kille her once so that could possibly indicates he can be faster than her when he wants to.
Furthermore he beat Thing and Thor at the same time. Thor may not be know for speed but he can use speed when hes desperate like when he fought Moongoose another very dangerous speedster.
At the end of the day The Fallen One feat still happened. Some peoples speed feats vary.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Like when him and gamora where fighting and she made him bleed and he kept missing her. He was so fast there.
Thanos did he kille her once didnt he? Are you talking about when they were sparring.
Originally posted by Juntai
You must be slow. Let me try this again....I was clearly making those points with INTENDED use of similar ABC logic, scoffing at what you and others were doing. The faults in the logic you were using a couple pages ago. Telling me I'm doing that very thing is definately moot, because it's fully intendedThey would be classified under specifically powered up versions of the character, Thanos doesn't have those items in a thread, it is irrelivent to the discussion here. Thanos can't do that under normal circumstances in a forum thread battle unless specifically given the powerup by the thread starter. It's an outside force, not a feat performed by Thanos' character. No one tries to argue that Hal Jordan is the reality wiping Zero Hour version whenever "Green Lantern" is put into a thread. Him smashing groups of GLs on the way to the battery? Feats. Him obtaining ultimate power? Not so much, when considering what is debatable material on the forum. You're just going way off base and making this tiresome very quickly with backwards debating.
Prep might be Thanos' greatest tool, but he doesn't/wouldn't have any, unless specifically given some. He is merely his base character. Show me Thanos matching Superman's strength, speed, agility, and combat prowess on the fly should the two meet randomly. What are his feats in these areas not involving prep or tech that he wouldn't have in a forum scenario? For every showing you could come up with, likely Superman has one similar to it, or one better. Regular Superman just cutting off the mental blocks - especially given the bloodlusted rule. And that's exactly my point about him not being head and shoulders over Superman. And Runner certainly doesn't have the feats for me to believe he is either.
You must not have done very well in comprehension tests. ABC logic only applies if I say that Runner > Surfer who is > Superman due to his manipulation abilities. There is of course a line between that and saying that the feats runner has establishes a level in which I expect him to operate. See the difference? If not, I could recommend you some courses.
No one here is arguing that Thanos is powered up by external objects, but to say that it is not within his character to go bring a Gauss gun to a h2h battle is simply not allowing his character to function at his full level. Thanos simply does what he must to achieve his end goal. It is in his nature as much as it is in Superman's to be the consumate hero. Saying that Thanos' best feats are not his achieving ultimate power no less than thrice is saying that Doom is just a guy in a knockoff iron man suit with second rate magical powers. I'm not arguing that he will go and get the IG mark II in every thread, but I am saying that those ARE his feats, and they are a hell lot higher than anything Superman has achieved, despite having fewer appearances.
You skirted around my question. Where is Superman's average level? Is that higher than runner's average level thus far? It isn't so much backwards debating as you failing to acknowledge points that have been placed forward by myself.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Logical claims can be proved. I can't say that from your claim however.I'm still waiting for some solid proof. And don't gimme that "You have to prove he wasn't going that fast", because I clearly wrote I don't know his speed.
How can I prove something I just don't know ?
You on the other hand are convinced he was going insanely fast, so I guess it can't be that difficult to prove it, no ?
Don't be silly. Something being logical means that it exists on the plane of realistic plausibility. It does not mean that it can be proved exactly. My saying that the dinosaurs were wiped out by a meteor is logical. Saying that an ice age wiped them out is logical. Neither can be absolutely proved. Millions of other examples exist to prove you wrong on that.
Waiting for proof? As am I. I have already said that from the context, it is only logical to lean towards the argument that the fallen one was indeed going very very quickly. The arguments have been presented. Simply put, the burden of proof is on you to show everyone that the fallen one was NOT going quickly.
Once again, you are repeating yourself. For your sake, I shall do the same. If I were forced to take a side, I would venture that fallen one was moving very quickly. Logic dictates that. Superman's turning of the mageddon wheels is a great strength feat because we know how huge the object was. Thor's lifting of the world serpent was a great feat because of the size of the object once again. We don't know for sure if they are heavy, because for all we know the world serpent could have been simply filled with air, but logic simply dictates that their weight is likely to be very substantial due to their size. Same thing applies here. Are you still going to claim short-sightedness? Tell me, do you accept or deny that Mageddon/world serpent were great strength feats?
Currenty Supes can reach 99% the speed of light. Just a step or two behind Flash overall. Superman said once about Wally West that..."Wally is fast enough to see it coming but not fast enough to do anything about."
Let's not forget sundipped Superman's power would be far beyond normal Supes. Which means sundipped Superman will be even faster than 99% the speed light, more invunerable, stronger etc.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well me obviously, but thats another story. Seriously though, PC supes had cartoonish speed and strength. Like the dude destroyed a star system...with a sneeze for crying out loud. The Runner isnt going to outrun or overpower PC supes guys.
Runner wins this pretty easily. He's beaten an enraged Surfer and would have probably killed Thanos if he hadn't stopped to listen. His speed compared to Superman is ridiculous. If you have seen how fast Surfer has been seen to fly then imagine a man who can actually run faster then this.
Seeing as how he is indestructible I doubt a man who can only punch and use laser vision will do much to a guy who has taken the full effect of the power cosmic.
So to say Superman wins this is really means you don't know runner or your more along the lines of Superman type fans. This is to basically any one note the one quoted. If Zoom can take out Supes its most definitely that Runner can do this.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes traversed the entire span of the universe in a instant, PC supes has crazy speed feats that make surfer look slow....I and PC supes could throw a galaxy worth of planets. I dont see The Runner being faster or hitting harder.
Really? Last time I checked Superman can go above light speed anymore so for him to transverse the universe in and instant sounds rather stupid. Its also a little stupid since the feat you just named was done by Runner, and Silver Surfer.
Even PC Supes was seen struggling to catch a Supergirl in her sleep going at light speeds or faster. Yet they weren't going through the universe in an instant because Spectre stopped him pretty easily.
Also that was Superboy pulling planets by a chainat light speeds. Runner, and Surfer don't waste time pulling planets by chains because one the chain would probably destroyed the planet anyway and two it is a complete waste of time when all your really doing is calling galactus to come to you. Who wants this?
Originally posted by kakuzu
Really? Last time I checked Superman can't go above light speed anymore so for him to transverse the universe in and instant sounds rather stupid. Its also a little stupid since the feat you just named was done by Runner, and Silver Surfer.
When was the last time you "checked"?
Originally posted by kakuzu
Really? Last time I checked Superman can go above light speed anymore so for him to transverse the universe in and instant sounds rather stupid. Its also a little stupid since the feat you just named was done by Runner, and Silver Surfer.Even PC Supes was seen struggling to catch a Supergirl in her sleep going at light speeds or faster. Yet they weren't going through the universe in an instant because Spectre stopped him pretty easily.
Also that was Superboy pulling planets by a chainat light speeds. Runner, and Surfer don't waste time pulling planets by chains because one the chain would probably destroyed the planet anyway and two it is a complete waste of time when all your really doing is calling galactus to come to you. Who wants this?
Current Superman Flew from Earth to the End of the universe.
Wally west listed Superman as one of the fastest Beings on the planet. All of the flashes can hit light speed and beyond when they tap into the speed force. So for superman to be one of the top five after Flash, Especially in running speed, is saying something.
Originally posted by kakuzu
Runner wins this pretty easily. He's beaten an enraged Surfer and would have probably killed Thanos if he hadn't stopped to listen. His speed compared to Superman is ridiculous. If you have seen how fast Surfer has been seen to fly then imagine a man who can actually run faster then this.Seeing as how he is indestructible I doubt a man who can only punch and use laser vision will do much to a guy who has taken the full effect of the power cosmic.
So to say Superman wins this is really means you don't know runner or your more along the lines of Superman type fans. This is to basically any one note the one quoted. If Zoom can take out Supes its most definitely that Runner can do this.
I pretty much agree with what was said above.