Originally posted by Soljer
I'm not touchy about it.Yeah, I download comics. Every single comic I own, I've downloaded as well.
If I hear something on the forums about "OMG in BS comics 1299, so and so did XXXX," I'll likely go verify.
I support the industry. I just make light of it because I think it's hilarious how much you parallel your previous socks, yet still haven't been banned.
I think you seem touchy.
What socks?
Originally posted by Soljer
Same here.Plus, their scans look a lot prettier than me taking my hard copies to kinkos.
For sure. Someone else spent a lot of time scanning their comics, so why would I waste my time scaning my own, when I can download a comic a full comic in 30 seconds? It would take more time to scan a single page.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
For sure. Someone else spent a lot of time scanning their comics, so why would I waste my time scaning my own, when I can download a comic a full comic in 30 seconds? It would take more time to scan a single page.
Perhaps because scanning your own, unless you redistribute them is not illegal, wheras downloading is. Just a thought, just putting it out there, you know.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Most of the comics I DL are ones that I own. I DL them for the scans and easier reading. I do DL comics that I can't find, or comics to see if they are good.
So you break copyright "a bit" Ptr...... Can we say gray areas exist? Can you murder someone a little? Complicated......
Originally posted by Dexter_Morgan
Perhaps because scanning your own, unless you redistribute them is not illegal, wheras downloading is. Just a thought, just putting it out there, you know.
I'm pretty sure its not illegal if you own the comic you are downloading.
Sides p2p downloading is legal in Canada. You can download all you want, it's legal, uploading on the other hand is illegal.
Originally posted by llagrok
" I download because I live in a nation like Norway"Stop harassing me
I was giving you a justification and not an harrassment. I understand that where things are not available legally a black market will thrive. That is how supply and demand works. In this case the internet provides you with a free source of the product you crave. Not such much a black market, but a victimless crime as you are unable to buy the product easily anyway.
So we can have grey areas. Let's expand..........
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm pretty sure its not illegal if you own the comic you are downloading.Sides p2p downloading is legal in Canada. You can download all you want, it's legal, uploading on the other hand is illegal.
It's illegal in Canada to put the stuff on..... It's a strange law. It would still be a breach of copyright and perhaps intellectual ownership.
I think it would still be illegal even if you owned the product. Because it would not be that version you were downloading and it is that which would lead to the distinction.
Originally posted by Dexter_Morgan
It's illegal in Canada to put the stuff on..... It's a strange law. It would still be a breach of copyright and perhaps intellectual ownership.I think it would still be illegal even if you owned the product. Because it would not be that version you were downloading and it is that which would lead to the distinction.
Technically it's illegal to distribute copyright material... but the Surpreme Court said in order for you to distrupt copyright material you need to actively announce that you have copyright material avialable for copy, like sending out advertisment and such. You can still have a share file with copyrighted material on p2p network.
Canada rocks. 🙂
I download all of my comics and don't feel bad about it in any way, shape, or form. I do have a few hard copy's from back when I was a teenager but it's been somewhere in the area of 10 years since I last paid money for a comic book. The way I see it, the companies lose ZERO dollars from my downloads for one very simple reason...I'm too poor to buy them. I'm married with a kid and live month to month as far as the bills go, so if I didn't download any comics I wouldn't GET any comics(which is why there's a 9 year gap between my last purchase and when I started downloading a year or so ago). Thus the comic industry doesn't lose any money from my downloading because they wouldn't get the money anyway due to the money going to bills and such. If I ever have throwaway cash that isn't already allocated to necessities I'll consider forking over the bucks for a few issues but for now I'm forced to make do with what's economical.
Originally posted by darthgooberI understand your point of view and having a family myself (some days of the week) I can see how you would have priorities which come first. Don't you consider you are getting someone elses "work" and "intellectual property" for nothing. Not trying to make you feel bad but you wouldn't steal food from a supermarket would you.
I download all of my comics and don't feel bad about it in any way, shape, or form. I do have a few hard copy's from back when I was a teenager but it's been somewhere in the area of 10 years since I last paid money for a comic book. The way I see it, the companies lose ZERO dollars from my downloads for one very simple reason...I'm too poor to buy them. I'm married with a kid and live month to month as far as the bills go, so if I didn't download any comics I wouldn't GET any comics(which is why there's a 9 year gap between my last purchase and when I started downloading a year or so ago). Thus the comic industry doesn't lose any money from my downloading because they wouldn't get the money anyway due to the money going to bills and such. If I ever have throwaway cash that isn't already allocated to necessities I'll consider forking over the bucks for a few issues but for now I'm forced to make do with what's economical.
Originally posted by Dexter_Morgan
I understand your point of view and having a family myself (some days of the week) I can see how you would have priorities which come first. Don't you consider you are getting someone elses "work" and "intellectual property" for nothing. Not trying to make you feel bad but you wouldn't steal food from a supermarket would you.
That's a very bad analogy.
Because food is much more important than comics.
If I were so poor that I couldn't afford to buy food, I'd steal from super markets and not feel a bit of remorse about it.
If I were so poor that I couldn't afford comics, I'd drop a few titles and deal with it.
Originally posted by Soljer
That's a very bad analogy.Because food is much more important than comics.
It's an extreme analogy not a bad one. It carries the sentiment that theft is theft is theft.
Originally posted by Soljer
That's a very bad analogy.Because food is much more important than comics.
If I were so poor that I couldn't afford to buy food, I'd steal from super markets and not feel a bit of remorse about it.
If I were so poor that I couldn't afford comics, I'd drop a few titles and deal with it.
Not really..... You'd just download more, we've already established you're a theif.
Originally posted by Dexter_Morgan
I understand your point of view and having a family myself (some days of the week) I can see how you would have priorities which come first. Don't you consider you are getting someone elses "work" and "intellectual property" for nothing. Not trying to make you feel bad but you wouldn't steal food from a supermarket would you.
Before I started downloading if I wanted to know what was going on in the realm of comics the only option available to me was sitting in a store somewhere and reading issues without buying them. Now as careful as I was when I was doing that very thing, sometimes shit just happens and as a result there were several instances of my accidentally damaging the issue I was reading at the time(via sneezing, drink spilling, turning the page too quickly from excitement and bending/tearing them, ect.). So I cost the company more money when I WASN'T downloading because then the store was left with a book that no one wanted and ended up getting thrown away/recycled rather than bought.
Don't get me wrong, if you CAN afford to buy(and have access to) comics then I think that you should, but if not then so be it.
Originally posted by Dexter_Morgan
I understand your point of view and having a family myself (some days of the week) I can see how you would have priorities which come first. Don't you consider you are getting someone elses "work" and "intellectual property" for nothing. Not trying to make you feel bad but you wouldn't steal food from a supermarket would you.
That analogy is horrible.
Comics aren't essential to getting by.
Originally posted by darthgoober
If I steal food from the supermarket, the supermarket actually has to replace the stolen food and therefor actually LOSES money. If I download a comic, the company doesn't lose anything because because all I've done is copy data over the Internet that was already available.
Exactly
Originally posted by Dexter_Morgan
It's an extreme analogy not a bad one. It carries the sentiment that theft is theft is theft.Not really..... You'd just download more, we've already established you're a theif.
I think you're using the world Thief a little too loosely. If the law can't get 'im, you have no right to call him or anyone a thief. Downloading a comic isn't any worse than reading it at your friend's house.
Originally posted by llagrokI think you're using the world Thief a little too loosely. If the law can't get 'im, you have no right to call him or anyone a thief. Downloading a comic isn't any worse than reading it at your friend's house.
Actually the law could get him. Yes downloading is worse because you are creating a copy in an electronic storage device and in most countries it's copyright theft.