Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
But, Wolverine cut her with claws. It shows she's vulnerable to piercing damage, nothing more.DP can destroy suns... I really don't see why you would bring up durability.
waz a typo whirly. I've seen you maik dem all the tiem.
So? That still doesn't mean he can do what Xorn did though, so it's highly irrelevant.
Who the hell is Whirly!!
Methinks though dost protest to much.......
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
But, Wolverine cut her with claws. It shows she's vulnerable to piercing damage, nothing more.DP can destroy suns... I really don't see why you would bring up durability.
waz a typo whirly. I've seen you maik dem all the tiem.
So? That still doesn't mean he can do what Xorn did though, so it's highly irrelevant.
That is the worse reasoning I've heard since Quanchi...
Just because she dies from piercing, that's all that she can
die from? Batman has never died. So, by your reasoning,
he must be immortal, right?
Also, destroying things has nothing to do with durability.
Cyclops can probably blow away bullets with his optic
blasy=ts, but does that mean that he can bounce them
off of his chest? Terrible reasoning.
Also, he doesn't need to do what Xorn did. Wolverine showed
us that.
Originally posted by Sirius77Obviously... 🙄
That is the worse reasoning I've heard since Quanchi...
Just because she dies from piercing, that's all that she can
die from? Batman has never died. So, by your reasoning,
he must be immortal, right?Also, destroying things has nothing to do with durability.
Cyclops can probably blow away bullets with his optic
blasy=ts, but does that mean that he can bounce them
off of his chest? Terrible reasoning.Also, he doesn't need to do what Xorn did. Wolverine showed
us that.
I mean, it's not like Phoenix hasn't taken attacks by Galactus, and the like... I mean, your reasoning would have Phoenix being utterly disintegrated if she fought Galactus.
Plus, she let Wolverine kill her, to my knowledge. And, she'll have her shields up here.
No, you brought up Superman's durability, so I brought up her destructive power. Learn how to read, before you sling insults.
Superman neither has teh clawz, or a massive EMP attack...
Originally posted by Sirius77By surprise?
In the movie. But in the comic, he caught her by surprise.Also, the Shia'r killed her once with a blast from a ship once.
Superman has survived Planetary-level blasts with ridiculous
nonchalantness.
Didn't she let them kill her with the laser?
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Obviously... 🙄I mean, it's not like Phoenix hasn't taken attacks by Galactus, and the like... I mean, your reasoning would have Phoenix being utterly disintegrated if she fought Galactus.
No, you brought up Superman's durability, so I brought up her destructive power.
Wolverine still shanked her.
The Shia'r army still disentigrated her.
Magneto still gave her a stroke.
The point of her power is not her durability, it's the fact that she
comes back so frequently. However, it takes a LONG time. Superman
doesn't have that kind of free time to wait for her to ressurrect for round two.
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
By surprise?
So, following forum battles, she will know she's in the battle, and thus, she can't be caught by surprise.Didn't she let them kill her with the laser?
Dunno, show me a scan. Point is, she's a powerful entity in a human shell. She still has the normal vulnerabilities of a normal human being, she can just use TK to make up for them. However, she still thinks as fast as a normal human being. Dark Pheonix isn't as powerful as her latter incarnations. Also, the battle between Pheonix andGalactus wasn't Jean. It was Rachel, and she had manifested the entire Pheonix force to do so. And she was way above Dark Pheonix.
Originally posted by Sirius77If she has her shields up, none of that is happening.
Wolverine still shanked her.The Shia'r army still disentigrated her.
Magneto still gave her a stroke.
The point of her power is not her durability, it's the fact that she
comes back so frequently. However, it takes a LONG time. Superman
doesn't have that kind of free time to wait for her to ressurrect for round two.
Originally posted by Sirius77Not going to look for anything right now, don't feel like it. 🙂
Dunno, show me a scan. Point is, she's a powerful entity in a human shell. She still has the normal vulnerabilities of a normal human being, she can just use TK to make up for them. However, she still thinks as fast as a normal human being. Dark Pheonix isn't as powerful as her latter incarnations. Also, the battle between Pheonix andGalactus wasn't Jean. It was Rachel, and she had manifested the entire Pheonix force to do so. And she was way above Dark Pheonix.
When has regular Phoenix shown as much as she did when she was Dark phoenix? Besides her most powerful form of course.
Also, she was as powerful as Jeanix would be, nothing more.
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
If she has her shields up, none of that is happening.Not going to look for anything right now, don't feel like it. 🙂
When has regular Phoenix shown as much as she did when she was Dark phoenix? Besides her most powerful form of course.
Also, she was as powerful as Jeanix would be, nothing more.
I was correcting you on the Galactus remark. That wasn't Dark Pheonix, that was the manifestation of Life. Pheonix's true form. She is abstract in this form. That was why she could take on Galactus. Galactus told her that every time she manifested herself like that, she was denying future generations birth. So, she stopped and he left. It wasn't Dark Pheonix.
Also, it's not that she can't do what Dark Pheonix can do, it's just that normal Pheonix restrains herself.
Also, I'm sure it's not impossible to breach Dark Pheonix's sheild. It's been reported that Gladiator killed the previous Pheonix himself.
Originally posted by Sirius77I know what you were doing, but DP to me anyway, is more powerful than Rachel or Jeanix.
I was correcting you on the Galactus remark. That wasn't Dark Pheonix, that was the manifestation of Life. Pheonix's true form. She is abstract in this form. That was why she could take on Galactus. Galactus told her that every time she manifested herself like that, she was denying future generations birth. So, she stopped and he left. It wasn't Dark Pheonix.Also, it's not that she can't do what Dark Pheonix can do, it's just that normal Pheonix restrains herself.
Also, I'm sure it's not impossible to breach Dark Pheonix's sheild. It's been reported that Gladiator killed the previous Pheonix himself.
Which Dark Phoenix doesn't restrain herself. Which, by all means, would make her more powerful.
With his sword... plus, I highly doubt that Phoenix was as powerful as Jeanix.
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
I know what you were doing, but DP to me anyway, is more powerful than Rachel or Jeanix.Which Dark Phoenix doesn't restrain herself. Which, by all means, would make her more powerful.
With his sword... plus, I highly doubt that Phoenix was as powerful as Jeanix.
How can you make that assumption?All Jean is is an avatar for the Pheonix. Just as that guy was. And he was Shia'r. So, by all rights, he should know more about the Pheonix force than Jean.
Originally posted by Sirius77Jean is more in tune with the Force than anyone else is, or has (besides that Rachel incident).
How can you make that assumption?All Jean is is an avatar for the Pheonix. Just as that guy was. And he was Shia'r. So, by all rights, he should know more about the Pheonix force than Jean.
Plus, he got killed by Gladiator... 😐