Originally posted by JustFrame
Lol, you should hear me preach Street Fighter IRL, lol, I could go on for hours on end, non-stop with my buddies and I.Yes, Ryu is my main, he has always been my main since almost the beginning from when I first started back in 91. To tell you the truth, the very first time I played SFII, I actually liked Ken more, it was however more so that back then, my favorite color was Red, and Ken wore a red gi, so I liked him more, lol.
During SFII:WW, I almost alway switched between Ryu and Ken is, because well...they both played exactly the same. However when Champion Edition came around, and I started to notice the differences between Ryu and Ken, I switched over to Ryu because his playstyle suited me far more. Ever since then, through out SFII, Alpha Series and the III series, and yes, now IV, it's always been Ryu.
I do also like to play Chunli a heavy amount, and Claw to a high degree, and Guile to a lesser extent. However Ryu is always my go to guy, only within the VS series, like like MvC2, do I chose others instead of Ryu, and in CvS2 I still play as Ryu whenever I choose C-Groove or N-Groove.
So, would you still like the Street Fighter franchise if Ryu was kicked off for a bizarre reason?
Originally posted by Mr.blanka
I remember hearing that there will be an "bonus stage" (beat-up cars I think he said) in the home version. I believe Ono, the director of SF4 that said it.
That's great.
Originally posted by JustFrameSo what version of Sagat is the best? I hear the CVS2 version.
Sagat is just strong, but not broken, in fact, Sagat is strong along the lines of the likes of Hyper Fighting Ryu. Yes, Sagat does fight either even, or else has the advantage over other characters, however he doesn't have super overpowered tactics.Actually in comparison, to other Top-Tier versions like CvS2 Sagat, CE. and O. Sagat, he's a puppy in comparison. So no worries, he's strong, but not overpowered.
No your not being a fanboy, however, I'll explain it right here again, since the last time I did it was like...4-5 months ago, lmao.
Originally posted by JustFrameLOL, I really was kinda young at that time. I thought that his ShoRyuKen was beefed up like that in the newer versions of SFII, I had no idea he was that strong wit it back then.
[B]Prepare for a Long explained PostWithin the real SF series (excluding all the vs and what not), Ryu has actually been the better character overall, let me list it, and by the real series I'm talking SFII series, Alpha series and III series.
Ken has the Mother of all Shoryuken's, the FP version of this baby did like nearly 40% damage alone, no joke there. Ken also had crazy glitches with his hurricane kick too..[/B]
Originally posted by JustFrameWow, for a game to be that old yet have Ryu and Ken so different is amazin'. I thought they would play more similar back then.
Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting : Ryu>Ken, this was Ryu's game without a question, with the nerfing of CE. Bison, Guile's Sonic Boom slightly, and the tone down of Sagat's Tiger Shots. Ryu instantly became the best character in the game, he is basically everything CE. Ryu was, but now he has the aerial hurricane kick, and does far better with the faster speed of pace for the game. He also still has his invincible start up hurricane kick from CE, which when used right can punish all other forms of attacks other then invincible ones. Ken actually is still around #5 or #6 in this game respectively, he's really no different from CE. Ken other then the fact that he now has the aerial hurricane kick which can do some more crazy combos with it.
Originally posted by JustFrameI kind figured that Ken was better in the Alpha games. My friend would kick my ass all the time. I would have to pick Ken to beat Ken. If I played wit ken he would usually play wit Ryu and vise versa. Altho I really thought ken was better in Alpha 3. But I'm so used to playin' the PSP version and he's got the Shoryuken set to 1 button so that's prolly why he seemed so good.
Street Fighter Alpha 1 : Ken>Ryu, in this, Ken edges out Ryu, for both of them where incredibly powerful, I really forgot why Ken was better, since it's been so long, however all the shoto's in here where Top (besides Dan of course), however...Guy still owned this game.Street Fighter Alpha 2 : Ken>Ryu... now Ken is supposed to be better, because he has one of the greatest Custom Combos in the game, only Chunli is better, great Hadouken game, and the single best Alpha Counter in the game (when Alpha Counters where super good!). Ryu was still top-tier, however Viscant who is one of the Top Street Fighter players in the US back then, and even today has stated that Alpha 2 Ryu within the right hands is the single best character in the game. I asked him why, since I was confused, because it has always been noted that Ken, Chunli, and Rose where better then Ryu.
However Viscant states that only four people in the world could make Ryu the elite monster that he's capable of. I'm quite confident 2 out of those 4 people are John Choi, and the Alpha 2 Emperor himself, Alex Valle who did infact play a monster Ryu (btw, Alex Valle destroyed all comers in the game of Alpha 2, yes, he even went to Japan and mopped the floor with ALL of Japan's best, in fact, in Alpha 2 it was USA>>>>Japan).
Street Fighter Alpha 3 : Ryu>Ken, without a question, since Ryu was at the lower end of Top, and definitely no worse then Upper-Tier. V-Ism Ryu was wrecking machine, with tons of damage potential, even off of his regular combo sets. Ken on the other hand did not have any of these potential and thus was set to Middle-Tier.
Originally posted by JustFrameThanx, yo. That was pretty damn informative.
Ken is without a doubt #3 in this game, while Ryu is like #8 or #9.So if you look at it all the differential is this...
Ryu - 5 (CE, HF, ST, A3, 2I)
Ken - 3 (A1, A2, and 3S)
While the rest they where equal, so overall, Ryu has been the better overall character. What has always made Ryu better in most games was simply because he could space better then Ken, and he usually had greater versatility over Ken.
Hope this helps...whew, I'm beat 😆
I got one question tho. My sister is REALLY good wit ken and Cammy and I can't beat her wit ANBODY but Shin Akuma. She says that it's cheatin', is it? I mean that double Zanku hadouken is really the only reason I use'im and his defense is better. IDK if you ever played the console version wit World Tour Mode but I feel like if you can take a character to World Tour and beef'em up then they should be legal. Right?
Originally posted by Man of...
I got one question tho. My sister is REALLY good wit ken and Cammy and I can't beat her wit ANBODY but Shin Akuma. She says that it's cheatin', is it? I mean that double Zanku hadouken is really the only reason I use'im and his defense is better.
In my opinion.. Shin Aku takes soooo much damage in return for his perks that she can probably kill you in 2 supers
but it probably also depends if you're playing ratio or not
Originally posted by Man of...
So what version of Sagat is the best? I hear the CVS2 version.
There where alot of extremely powerful Sagats. If you want my take on it, CvS2 Sagat is beastly, however I would give the edge to either CE. Sagat or O. Sagat. Both of those guys do like nearly 40% damage with their Tiger Uppercuts alone, all the while CvS2 Sagat would need to do a super combo do deal that kind of damage.
CE. Sagat and O. Sagat did huge damage off of everything they did, and their tiger shots where the fastest, plus they did huge damage on hit. CE. Sagat imo probably even edges out O. Sagat because he has the old CPS-1 chains and can dizzy at a much faster rate then O. Sagat could.
Originally posted by Man of...
LOL, I really was kinda young at that time. I thought that his ShoRyuKen was beefed up like that in the newer versions of SFII, I had no idea he was that strong wit it back then.
Yep, CE. Ken had the most spectacular Shoryuken of all time, that thing had a huge hitbox, 100% complete invincibility from start to all the way up, only vulnerable on the way down(a trademark for all shoto's back in those days), and it did untold damage. It was insane, to how you could be winning a match, and Ken could land a Shoryuken, and it would bring the match up pretty close again, lol.
Originally posted by Man of...
Wow, for a game to be that old yet have Ryu and Ken so different is amazin'. I thought they would play more similar back then.
Yeah, the only SF games in which Ryu and Ken played the same where Street Fighter 1, and Street Fighter II World Warriors, beyond that, they changed from each other significantly, from Hadouken speed and recovery, to shoryuken, hurricane kicks, then different throw sets, attacks, etc, etc.
Originally posted by Man of...
I got one question tho. My sister is REALLY good wit ken and Cammy and I can't beat her wit ANBODY but Shin Akuma. She says that it's cheatin', is it? I mean that double Zanku hadouken is really the only reason I use'im and his defense is better. IDK if you ever played the console version wit World Tour Mode but I feel like if you can take a character to World Tour and beef'em up then they should be legal. Right?
Shin Akuma is definitely overpowered in any version he is in, however it depends on which version you are playing as well. If it's Alpha 3 then Shin Akuma in there is ridiculously overpowered, since he has dual air fireballs, his hurricane kick leads to huge damage potential, even more so then regular Akuma. All of his shoryuken's are 3 hits, regardless of strength, his Raging Demon is faster, quicker and travels much further, all of his combos do far more damage, as well as his supers.
So yes, she does have very reasonable statements against you using Shin Akuma. Also, if your just playing for fun, then yes, it's perfectly okay to play with your World Tour beefed up characters (make sure the other player has one too). However in a real tournament play, you would not be allowed to use them, only the stock original characters, simply because if one person plays a beefed up WT character, while the other player doesn't have that same privilege then it is unfair, because WT characters have way more advantages.
So if you want to play as close to the legit Alpha 3 as possible, then yes, you shouldn't be using your beefed up WT characters.
Originally posted by JustFrameI don't play wit the WT guys, I just pick regular Shin and she pics Ken or Cammy. Is the regular Shin Akuma in Alpha 3 still too powerful? If he is, then I need to find away to get pass 1 button specials wit someone else, mainy Ken's HP Shoryuken. I vowed to never use 1 button specials cuz it would take the challenge outta winnnin'.Shin Akuma is definitely overpowered in any version he is in, however it depends on which version you are playing as well. If it's Alpha 3 then Shin Akuma in there is ridiculously overpowered, since he has dual air fireballs, his hurricane kick leads to huge damage potential, even more so then regular Akuma. All of his shoryuken's are 3 hits, regardless of strength, his Raging Demon is faster, quicker and travels much further, all of his combos do far more damage, as well as his supers.
So yes, she does have very reasonable statements against you using Shin Akuma. Also, if your just playing for fun, then yes, it's perfectly okay to play with your World Tour beefed up characters (make sure the other player has one too). However in a real tournament play, you would not be allowed to use them, only the stock original characters, simply because if one person plays a beefed up WT character, while the other player doesn't have that same privilege then it is unfair, because WT characters have way more advantages.
So if you want to play as close to the legit Alpha 3 as possible, then yes, you shouldn't be using your beefed up WT characters.
I would never use my WT Shin Akuma, his super gauge charges in like 5 secs, he can chain all types of moves together like he is usin' V-ism even tho it isn't even activated, he can kill you wit 2 LP Shoryukens. He fights usin' A-ism but can activate V-ism as well and he's got REALLY HIGH deffense. I worked hard on him and I think he's pretty much unbeatable.
If only you could take Final Bison through WT.
I just picked up one of the new control pads for this game from the local best buy. Very happy with it, nice control pad (the 360 one is garbage) and the buttons are nice and big. I'd recommend it to anyone who isn't happy with the default 360 controller but doesn't want to shell out $100 bucks for one of the joysticks.