Originally posted by Devil King
I find I tend to treat burnt albums with less care than I do the ones I've spent money on in the store. So, 9 times out of 10, I end up having to buy the album anyway, to replace the one I burned that's been scratched or lent out.
Then there's everyone you've burned it for/lent it to, the people they've possibly burned it for/lent it to etc.
It's just better to not even let the cycle begin in my opinion.
Originally posted by chithappens
There is an underground rapper from California named Aynetee (white guy with a nice flow and good message) who does not even sell his albums and just puts them on the internet for download.Pretty damn cool. Wish more people actually loved music.
That's up to him.
I'm not entirely sure I understand this post.
Is the implication that people love music more if they're pro-illegal downloading?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's up to him.I'm not entirely sure I understand this post.
Is the implication that people love music more if they're pro-illegal downloading?
-AC
I mean as an artist he is making the music because he loves to do it. Not about the money. All of the tracks are not great but it is pure and not guided by corporate suggestion
Originally posted by chithappens
There is an underground rapper from California named Aynetee (white guy with a nice flow and good message) who does not even sell his albums and just puts them on the internet for download.Pretty damn cool. Wish more people actually loved music.
Artistic integrity isn't really at the heart of the matter.
Two things come with being a successful music artist. Fame and money. One isn't dependant on the other.
You gays and your AIDS.
If only there were some kind of digital condom.
Originally posted by chithappens
I mean as an artist he is making the music because he loves to do it. Not about the money. All of the tracks are not great but it is pure and not guided by corporate suggestion
Fame and corporate suggestion/control also do not go hand in hand.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You gays and your AIDS.If only there were some kind of digital condom.
There are copyright files that do not allow you to listen to the music if you do not own it. Of course, if you put it on your PC and then put it up for download the license is not the same.
ITunes try to fix this by making sure the PC is the same which does not allow for Ipods to download from multiple libraries on different PCs. There are ways around this for the tech savvy but there is no way to stop it completely.
And the artist thing is more a moot point but I guess I meant to say that people who really love music often try to buy the music of those they feel are "pure" so to speak.
Every album that I actually listen to, I buy. If I'm interested in an artist whose music I encounter out in the world, I'll download them. If I down load 5 or 6 of their songs, and there's still only one I like, I'm done with the artist. I don't pass on music I don't like. So I keep the 1 song i like and it eventually gets dumped onto a compliation disc.
I'm very anal about my CD collection. Everything has it's place and everything should be in it.
Originally posted by chithappens
There are copyright files that do not allow you to listen to the music if you do not own it. Of course, if you put it on your PC and then put it up for download the license is not the same.
It also depends what you take the music off your CDs with. If you use iTunes they have no license, if you use WMP, they do for some reason.
Originally posted by chithappens
ITunes try to fix this by making sure the PC is the same which does not allow for Ipods to download from multiple libraries on different PCs. There are ways around this for the tech savvy but there is no way to stop it completely.
My whole point is that illegal downloading will never stop, so I think it should be damage limitation, which is largely the listener's responsibility. Something I think lots of people lack, but that's my opinion. I just think music should ultimately be paid for.
Originally posted by chithappens
And the artist thing is more a moot point but I guess I meant to say that people who really love music often try to buy the music of those they feel are "pure" so to speak.
I buy the music I feel I want to hear. I don't see any artist as worthy of stealing from and others not so. I don't really have enough interest in the new Velvet Revolver album, I own their first, but it doesn't mean I'm gonna just steal it. I don't want it at all.
Music I want, even a little bit, I buy. Music I don't want, I don't own.
-AC
Originally posted by Devil King
So, how do you know you don't want it?
Because I can tell from their debut, which wasn't amazing as it is, that they're not really going to achieve any sound or any collection of songs that are enjoyable to me.
I can usually tell from an album if the band is worth following through albums or if they're not.
Like Foo Fighters or RHCP, I can tell from their last albums that I'm not going to want whatever it is that they do next, because they simply do not have enough in them to hold my interest.
For VR, it lasted an album.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because I can tell from their debut, which wasn't amazing as it is, that they're not really going to achieve any sound or any collection of songs that are enjoyable to me.I can usually tell from an album if the band is worth following through albums or if they're not.
Like Foo Fighters or RHCP, I can tell from their last albums that I'm not going to want whatever it is that they do next, because they simply do not have enough in them to hold my interest.
For VR, it lasted an album.
-AC
That seems remarkably contrary to the open-minded approach to music you profess to have.
Originally posted by Devil King
That seems remarkably contrary to the open-minded approach to music you profess to have.
It's not. I followed Foo Fighters through six albums, I know when I've had my fill of them. I've simply lost interest, they're not a band, to me, who can push forward enough to hold me there and keep me listening.
I'm not saying every band I listen to is some genre-pushing innovation machine, I listen to Converge for example. Every new album is basically just a new Converge album, but they continue to write songs that I enjoy and know I will enjoy based off their previous works.
That's why I'm rarely disappointed with any album I buy, because I only really stick with bands I can rely on. No matter what tier I place them on. I'm not gonna spend money on, or steal, any album I simply have no interest in.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because I can tell from their debut, which wasn't amazing as it is, that they're not really going to achieve any sound or any collection of songs that are enjoyable to me.I can usually tell from an album if the band is worth following through albums or if they're not.
Like Foo Fighters or RHCP, I can tell from their last albums that I'm not going to want whatever it is that they do next, because they simply do not have enough in them to hold my interest.
For VR, it lasted an album.
-AC
Dude, just register at rhapsody and you can hear 25 full complete songs a month from anything in their database. Anything. It is perfectly legal. If you like the song, buy from anywhere or buy the whole album. It isn't hard at all to listen to a full song legally before you buy it. (OR buy the whole album if you want to.)
In other words, there is not excuse for illegal downloads for the purpose of deciding if you want to purchase it later.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not. I followed Foo Fighters through six albums, I know when I've had my fill of them. I've simply lost interest, they're not a band, to me, who can push forward enough to hold me there and keep me listening.I'm not saying every band I listen to is some genre-pushing innovation machine, I listen to Converge for example. Every new album is basically just a new Converge album, but they continue to write songs that I enjoy and know I will enjoy based off their previous works.
That's why I'm rarely disappointed with any album I buy, because I only really stick with bands I can rely on. No matter what tier I place them on. I'm not gonna spend money on, or steal, any album I simply have no interest in.
-AC
Are you speaking for you, personally?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Dude, just register at rhapsody and you can hear 25 full complete songs a month from anything in their database. Anything. It is perfectly legal. If you like the song, buy from anywhere or buy the whole album. It isn't hard at all to listen to a full song legally before you buy it. (OR buy the whole album if you want to.)In other words, there is not excuse for illegal downloads for the purpose of deciding if you want to purchase it later.
Nah, I'm fine. Thanks, though.
Originally posted by Devil King
Are you speaking for you, personally?
Of course. The moral side of my argument against illegal downloading will always be my opinion, I can't expect others to forcefully agree.
-AC