Mr. New Poster for 5 months was actually commenting on What if... and batdude since they were debating on that dazzler scan I commented on and were going off on the "you're the guy trolling the magneto respect thread" or whatnot.
Although I have noticed a lot of personal insults from a lot of people here. I don't check this forum enough to remember who said what and to whom but there is a lot of it and I just wanted to keep my bases safe and try not to offend anyone. Guess I just opened up another can of worms though.
Originally posted by bobbi
Mr. New Poster for 5 months was actually commenting on What if... and batdude since they were debating on that dazzler scan I commented on and were going off on the "you're the guy trolling the magneto respect thread" or whatnot.Although I have noticed a lot of personal insults from a lot of people here. I don't check this forum enough to remember who said what and to whom but there is a lot of it and I just wanted to keep my bases safe and try not to offend anyone. Guess I just opened up another can of worms though.
You didn't offend anyone. Sorry for using your statement to back up my point.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Is he stronger than her? Faster? Can he get around her defenses? What her his defenses like against, Speed, her strength, her weapons, her skill?
Does he have a forcefield, yes. Does he have enough speed and have he used his speed to counter attacks from speedsters, yes. Does he have a scream that could wipe all the skin off of wonderwoman and has matter manipulate powers and shoot a electron blast and create black holes and have a master blow that could take wonderwoman out, yes. Is he overall more powerful than wonderwoman, yes. Wonderwoman only chance to win a battle against him is speed and we dont even know if that would work since he has overcame and used his master blow against numerous of speedsters.
Blackbolt 6or7/10
Originally posted by carver9
Does he have a forcefield, yes. Does he have enough speed and have he used his speed to counter attacks from speedsters, yes. Does he have a scream that could wipe all the skin off of wonderwoman and has matter manipulate powers and shoot a electron blast and create black holes and have a master blow that could take wonderwoman out, yes. Is he overall more powerful than wonderwoman, yes. Wonderwoman only chance to win a battle against him is speed and we dont even know if that would work since he has overcame and used his master blow against numerous of speedsters.Blackbolt 6or7/10
How often does he have said forcefield? Is it greater than hers? could she not block his scream with lil effort. And push it back upon him? Is he over all more powerful? Prolly not. Would his master blow even connect with her? Is it more powerful than a sun amped superman's blows? Has he ever fought a speeder with her speed, skill, strength, and resistance?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How often does he have said forcefield? Is it greater than hers? could she not block his scream with lil effort. And push it back upon him? Is he over all more powerful? Prolly not. Would his master blow even connect with her? Is it more powerful than a sun amped superman's blows? Has he ever fought a speeder with her speed, skill, strength, and resistance?
Ill comment on that tomorrow, yall have a good nite.
Originally posted by bobbi
K, i'll break down my statements further. I didn't want to get into your "You're an idiot, your opinion is meaningless, insert personal attacks based on previous posts" which you guys were heading into before. I just wanted to have some input into the discussion.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by bobbi
If my context wasn't clear, I meant INCLUDING those 2 panels. Panels are a snapshot of time. Someone doesn't say an entire paragraph in a nanosecond. It takes time. Therefore all the actions within that panel can occur anywhere within that range of time. Since magneto was not shown in panel 2 he could have been doing anything in the second it took for her to say those lines. as well there is time between the end of panel one and beginning of 2 where magneto could be doing anything.
Thanks, but I don’t really need the breakdown of a panel explained to me.
In the first panel’s dialogue, she’s building up her energy, correct? And as she’s accumulating power, Magneto does NOT have a force field up. Then, she yells “never again!!!” while the blast is already directed towards him. And that’s completely obvious from the scan in question.
If you’re trying to suggest that Magneto put up the shield before the blast was fired, then it would’ve had to have happened sometime between her motions downward and the actual energy blast that was fired. Regardless, the energy could also have been streaming from her hands prior to her arms being fully extended. Meaning, the energy could have been headed in Magneto's direction before the arms were all the way down and stretched outward. And you have to take into consideration that Magneto was only about five feet away.
Originally posted by bobbi
You have no reason to say she said "never again" with her blast just as we have no reason to assume she said it before. both situations are plausible. what we DO know is that she has to lower her arms to make that blast and THAT would be blatantly obvious to magneto. Like I said before, magneto should notice that someone who seems pissed off and is lowering her arms in an attack mode should probably be ATTACKING soon.
Actually I do have a reason for it, considering that’s what was shown in the scan. Nothing other than that. Suggesting otherwise is reaching for a conclusion that certainly isn’t backed up by what’s shown.
Though I do understand where you’re coming from. However, in this instance, I like to take what’s shown in the second panel at face value. As the blast is in progress, she yells at him.
Originally posted by bobbi
Since she wasn't firing her energy there was no need at that point(of course we can always assume the "shields aren't shown unless they're being attacked thing. but thats not relevant to this specific aspect)
Correct.
Originally posted by bobbi
..Like magneto can't keep his shield up indefinitely? All he has to know is that she seems to be attacking. The pose she made was a good assumption for him to put it up and keep it up at least for a few seconds. since he's not on panel its complete speculation when he put the shield up. But if we assume magneto isn't an idiot (which I hope we don't), he'd put up a shield in anticipation. (I guess you can assume magneto knows his reaction is so fast this isn't needed, but that's an assumption with no basis so far, as oppose to the one that magneto isn't an idiot)
This is just as much of an assumption.
And why is so outrageous for Magneto to be able to put his shield up after the blast was fired?
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thexmenvstheavengers042xb7.jpg
At least acknowledge that he’s capable of it.
Originally posted by bobbi
Again, its not obvious since we're having this discussion. And the scan is a picture trying to depict movement and a period of time. Just think of what the page would look like if it happened the way I'm explaining it. would the artist really make a panel of her screaming, then another of her lowering her arms, then another of magneto putting up his shield then another of her releasing the blast, then the final one of it hitting his shield? that would be rather difficult to show without totally changing the tone of the scan. Same situation if he wanted to show it the way you're saying it would turn out. What he did was condense those actions to the simplest most aesthetic form. If he wanted to make a point about magnetos speed he MAY have broke it down further. The fact that he didn't kind of points to the fact that he just wanted us to see magneto's shield casually pushing her attack aside (if he had a point besides it just being part of the story).
Once again, this is an assumption.
It’s called differing of interpretations.
Originally posted by bobbiI agree. What happened in-between there is anyone’s guess. However, all the second scan depicted was her blast. And at the end of the first scan, he was “shieldless,” for lack of a better word. Hence why I think he could’ve gotten the shield up after the energy was fired. 🙂
True, her scream and her blast could have occurred at any point, starting together, one starting then the other starting. one starting in the middle of the other, I was just giving an example showing that the panel is NOT clear on any of it. Maybe you can give a reason besides "it's obvious" to why they START at the same time, but even if you do the fact that she had to lower her hands into an attack pose and we have no idea what magneto is doing after the end of the first panel to the beginning of the 3rd panel is far more important.
Originally posted by batdude123
Fair enough.Thanks, but I don’t really need the breakdown of a panel explained to me.
In the first panel’s dialogue, she’s building up her energy, correct? And as she’s accumulating power, Magneto does NOT have a force field up. Then, she yells “never again!!!” [b]while
the blast is already directed towards him. And that’s completely obvious from the scan in question.If you’re trying to suggest that Magneto put up the shield before the blast was fired, then it would’ve had to have happened sometime between her motions downward and the actual energy blast that was fired. Regardless, the energy could also have been streaming from her hands prior to her arms being fully extended. Meaning, the energy could have been headed in Magneto's direction before the arms were all the way down and stretched outward. And you have to take into consideration that Magneto was only about five feet away.
Actually I do have a reason for it, considering that’s what was shown in the scan. Nothing other than that. Suggesting otherwise is reaching for a conclusion that certainly isn’t backed up by what’s shown.
Though I do understand where you’re coming from. However, in this instance, I like to take what’s shown in the second panel at face value. As the blast is in progress, she yells at him.
Correct.
This is just as much of an assumption.
And why is so outrageous for Magneto to be able to put his shield up after the blast was fired?
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thexmenvstheavengers042xb7.jpg
At least acknowledge that he’s capable of it.
Once again, this is an assumption.
It’s called differing of interpretations.
I agree. What happened in-between there is anyone’s guess. However, all the second scan depicted was her blast. And at the end of the first scan, he was “shieldless,” for lack of a better word. Hence why I think he could’ve gotten the shield up after the energy was fired. 🙂 [/B]
