Son Goku Vs God Enel

Originally posted by Kento
And yet Freeza was hurt by much less. And stronger characters than Freeza have been killed by planet busting only, and hurt by far less than moon busting attacks.

I dont think it was less. It had more power but its not like every blast that is shot in DBZ will destroy a planet, that is just stupid to think otherwise.

Hell, Odin and Thanos was fighting in asgard and it did no damage to the area but Thanos STILL dropped. Is that saying that Thanos cant take city level blast since he got dropped by a blast that did no damage at all to the area.

Just like Superman, Superman got one shotted by Doctor light and the blast didnt do anything to the surrounding area, so I guess Superman cant survive a room busting blast.

All blast doesnt have to destroy a planet to be just as strong as a planetary blast, that is stupid to think otherwise. There is a such thing as concentrated energy and explosive energy. Example, you have one instance where Surfers blasts can level a planet and you have another instance where Surfer is fighting a powerful being and giving it his all but the blasts that he is hitting the person with isnt even doing anything to the area that they are fighting in but it is affecting the person that is being hit by it. Its pretty obvious that this person can tank planet explosions but its doing nothing to the planet. Is it safe to say that the high herald or skyfather that Surfer was fighting against wasnt tanking a blast that can level a planet that they cant survive a planet destroying blast.

It is stupid to think every blast is meant to destroy a planet when its not. A none planetary blast can be just as powerful or more powerful than a planetary blast. Just ask odin this.

Originally posted by Kento
😐 I'm saying it takes a whole lot less than moon busting attacks to hurt or kill Z characters. Which is proven over and over again in Z. Even in DB it takes less than moon busting attacks to kill and hurt characters stronger than Roshi. Roshi and Piccolo's feats are inconsistent with everything else.

It takes more than a planetary blast to hurt a DBZ character.

Originally posted by Kento
You act like it takes more than that to hurt Gokou...

It does take more than a moon busting to hurt Goku.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont think it was less. It had more power but its not like every blast that is shot in DBZ will destroy a planet, that is just stupid to think otherwise.

Then again I'm not really sure tanking ki blasts is so much durability as something else entirely.... Which would explain why Vegeta was able to let Krillen blast through him, and weak attacks from stronger characters harm people who took much stronger attacks from weaker characters.

Originally posted by carver9
It does take more than a moon busting to hurt Goku.

Originally posted by carver9
It takes more than a planetary blast to hurt a DBZ character.

Originally posted by Kento
The fact they have to charge up their ultimate attacks, the ones used to destroy planets, means that the normal ki blasts don't have anything close to the power. So yea, no.

Then again I'm not really sure tanking ki blasts is so much durability as something else entirely.... Which would explain why Vegeta was able to let Krillen blast through him, and weak attacks from stronger characters harm people who took much stronger attacks from weaker characters.

No, it doesn't.
No, since all is needed is a planet busting attack to kill them. It takes a lot less to hurt them.

When did they have to charge up a planetary level blast? Buu shot one easily and if you are talking about frieza, 😕 , he was just getting his a** whipped by a Super Saiyan. All blast that is shot doesnt have to blow up a planet in order for it to be more powerful than a planetary blast. Look at this scan with Ironman shooting Superman injuring him, since it didnt destroy a planet but it hurt Superman, I guess Superman can survive a building level blast.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/fs_im2.jpg

By the way, where are you getting that it takes nothing but a planetary level blast to kill them?

Originally posted by carver9
When did they have to charge up a planetary level blast? Buu shot one easily and if you are talking about frieza, 😕 , he was just getting his a** whipped by a Super Saiyan. All blast that is shot doesnt have to blow up a planet in order for it to be more powerful than a planetary blast. Look at this scan with Ironman shooting Superman injuring him, since it didnt destroy a planet but it hurt Superman, I guess Superman can survive a building level blast.

By the way, where are you getting that it takes nothing but a planetary level blast to kill them?

Buu's normal ki blast was obviously not planet busting....

....Out of ANY hundreds of scans you can pick from canon of Superman hurt by attacks weaker than stuff he has tanked you pick something non-canon why? Not to mention Superman fluctuates in power because different writers, and plot. The same can't be said for DBZ.

The fact that...a planet exploding was all it took to kill the strongest non-fused character in Z. And the only blast that is every proved to bust a planet scared Gokou and Vegeta. The only other two attacks shown destroying a planet was chain reaction.

The fact that...a planet exploding was all it took to kill the strongest non-fused character in Z. And the only blast that is every proved to bust a planet scared Gokou and Vegeta. The only other two attacks shown destroying a planet was chain reaction.

Before Buu used a bigger blast, He wanted to destroy the planet with a smaller blast but Vegeta managed to stop it. And then he used a bigger blast so Goku and Vegeta won't stop it. It's not a normal planet busting attack.

Originally posted by Kento
😬 I'm talking about Saiyan Saga Vegeta, USSJ Vegeta, FPSSJ Gokou, SSJ2 Gohan, and Perfect Cell. Even Freeza in Bardock special had to power up his blast, and he wasn't getting beaten by anyone.

Buu's normal ki blast was obviously not planet busting....

....Out of ANY hundreds of scans you can pick from canon of Superman hurt by attacks weaker than stuff he has tanked you pick something non-canon why? Not to mention Superman fluctuates in power because different writers, and plot. The same can't be said for DBZ.

The fact that...a planet exploding was all it took to kill the strongest non-fused character in Z. And the only blast that is every proved to bust a planet scared Gokou and Vegeta. The only other two attacks shown destroying a planet was chain reaction.

I know what you are talking about but again, they dont need to power up to bust a planet. I dont know where you are getting this from.

Kid buu shot a small blast from his hand and EASILY at that and it was meant to destroy the planet. Vegeta stopped it which resulted in BUU bringing a bigger, more destructive blast that was MUCH more powerful than that planet destroying blast Buu first used.

I can post HUNDRED of scans with Superman being injured by normal blast and even getting koed by blast that did no damage at all to the surrounding area by the way, that scan that I showed you with Ironman, it is cannon. It was made cannon a long time ago. Have you ever heard of high end feats? Everyone has them, including Superman. Wolverine has taken a Nuke to the face point blank, Spiderman walked out of an exploding building unharmed. Grey Hulk, a 70 tonner, busting up a meteor that was twice the size of earth with one punch and the list goes on. We go by normal, average showings and if we look at the norm theeeeeeeeennnnnn, he isnt tanking a planet destroying blast when we have instances of him being dropped by Doctor light with one shot and him dehydrating when getting hit with a nuclear blast.

It was more than a planet destroy blast that took out the Z fighters. The first blast Kid buu shot was a planet destroying blast, the second one was many times more powerful than that. There was NOTHING left of the planet, not even rubble, it desintegrated everything.

Didn't Cell stated that Goku's Kamehameha would destroy Earth if it was directed to it? I talk about the Instant Transmission one.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Before Buu used a bigger blast, He wanted to destroy the planet with a smaller blast but Vegeta managed to stop it. And then he used a bigger blast so Goku and Vegeta won't stop it. It's not a normal planet busting attack.

For that matter, was it even in the manga? Cannot recall.

Also, it only destroyed the planet. It is a planet destroying blast. Destroyed nothing more, can be proven to be nothing more.

Originally posted by Kento
Do you mean the Kamehameha struggle or when Gohan first went ssj2?

The struggle where Cell even stated that if no one attempts to stop him the blast will destroy everything.

Originally posted by Bentley
Didn't Cell stated that Goku's Kamehameha would destroy Earth if it was directed to it? I talk about the Instant Transmission one.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Was the smaller blast stated to be able to destroy the planet?

For that matter, was it even in the manga? Cannot recall.

Yes it was in the manga.

Originally posted by carver9
I know what you are talking about but again, they dont need to power up to bust a planet. I dont know where you are getting this from.

Kid buu shot a small blast from his hand and EASILY at that and it was meant to destroy the planet. Vegeta stopped it which resulted in BUU bringing a bigger, more destructive blast that was MUCH more powerful than that planet destroying blast Buu first used.

It was more than a planet destroy blast that took out the Z fighters. The first blast Kid buu shot was a planet destroying blast, the second one was many times more powerful than that. There was NOTHING left of the planet, not even rubble, it desintegrated everything.

Exactly, Vegeta blasted something, making it explode. That was supposedly planet destroying. And nothing happened.

For Cell and Gohan to have been solar system busters, and nothing weaker than Cell could hurt Gokou and Vegeta, and definitely not Gohan, Buu's blast should have been easily deflected back, or tanked. Yet, all it did was destroy Earth. Doesn't do a single thing past that.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Before Buu used a bigger blast, He wanted to destroy the planet with a smaller blast but Vegeta managed to stop it. And then he used a bigger blast so Goku and Vegeta won't stop it. It's not a normal planet busting attack.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/7.html

Such power.....

Originally posted by SpadeKing
The struggle where Cell even stated that if no one attempts to stop him the blast will destroy everything.

Originally posted by Kento
😬 Which, nulls pretty much anybodies outrageous claim that they can control their energy that earth destroying blasts can be compressed to crater causing blasts. Not to mention...there still not any proof it wouldn't just do what Freeza did since the only planet busting was from somebody much stronger, and they couldn't deflect the attack. Gokou, and Vegeta said Buu was trying to destroy the planet when they stopped it, and called him suicidal. But then it blows up, and does nothing at all except create a small explosion when Vegeta blasts through it.

Yes it was in the manga. Oh, I don't know. The fact EVERY single blast that people say threaten the Earth is powered up. And if they had such great control that they can put the power of Earth destroying blasts into mere crater causing blasts like you claim then nobody would be freaking out over Vegeta's Final Flash or Gokou's Warp Kamehameha.

Exactly, Vegeta blasted something, making it explode. That was supposedly planet destroying. And nothing happened.

For Cell and Gohan to have been solar system busters, and nothing weaker than Cell could hurt Gokou and Vegeta, and definitely not Gohan, Buu's blast should have been easily deflected back, or tanked. Yet, all it did was destroy Earth. Doesn't do a single thing past that. The blast exploded because it hit Vegeta's. If it was a planet busting attack it would've done a lot more than it did..Which was nothing.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/7.html

Such power..... That blast also went into space, and didn't explode. And the two beams were shaking the entire planet. I say combined those beams were extremely powerful, but Cell said he had the power to destroy the entire solar system....which was a lie.

Concentrated energy.

Just because someone can bust universes doesnt mean that they can deflect universe destroying blasts. Where are you getting your info?

Buu blast wasnt meant to destroy everything but again, it was more than a planetary blast.

Originally posted by Bentley
Didn't Cell stated that Goku's Kamehameha would destroy Earth if it was directed to it? I talk about the Instant Transmission one.

It would have if Goku hit the earth with it but Cell body took ALL of that power.

Originally posted by carver9
Concentrated energy.

Just because someone can bust universes doesnt mean that they can deflect universe destroying blasts. Where are you getting your info?

Buu blast wasnt meant to destroy everything but again, it was more than a planetary blast.

Super Pefect Cell's 'solar busting' Kamehameha wouldn't do anything to Buu Saga Vegeta or Gokou. Even before Vegeta became ssj2/Majin he was stronger than Cell. If you believe Cell had the power to bust solar systems then Buu's blast would be nothing... And um...kinda does mean you can deflect universe destroying blasts if you're stronger than somebody who...well did.

Buu's blast was meant to destroy Earth. Which wouldn't be that big a deal when he was facing two people who were stronger than Cell, who claimed his Kamehameha had the power to destroy the Solar System..... And there is no way you can claim Kid Buu used concentrated energy. Buu didn't care, he was just out to destroy.

Originally posted by Kento
The blast exploded because it hit Vegeta's. If it was a planet busting attack it would've done a lot more than it did..Which was nothing.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/7.html

Such power.....

You know, I prefer Goku's and Vegeta's words than yours since they can sense the danger of the blast and they are more experienced in battle than you.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Was the smaller blast stated to be able to destroy the planet?

For that matter, was it even in the manga? Cannot recall.

Also, it only destroyed the planet. It is a planet destroying blast. Destroyed nothing more, can be proven to be nothing more.

Yes, it is a planet destroying blast.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/7.html

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
You know, I prefer Goku's and Vegeta's words than yours since they can sense the danger of the blast and they are more experienced in battle than you.

Originally posted by Kento
Cause something that can destroy a planet won't harm anything when exploding very close to the surface of the planet...

Didn't you read their words? DBZ planet-destroying blasts are attacks that can leave craters. Clearly, causing a crater >>>>>> destroying a planet.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Didn't you read their words? DBZ planet-destroying blasts are attacks that can leave craters. Clearly, causing a crater >>>>>> destroying a planet.

Concentrated energy yet again. Its pretty obvious that Z fighters has control of their energy and when did a planet destroying attack ever hit earth (ONLY earth, not an enemy or hero) and not destroy it.

Please show me the scan or episode that this happened in.

Originally posted by Kento
Such power..... That blast also went into space, and didn't explode. And the two beams were shaking the entire planet. I say combined those beams were extremely powerful, but Cell said he had the power to destroy the entire solar system....which was a lie.

Concentrated attacks, otherwise Goku's spirit bombs would've destroyed everyplace that he used it at. ermm

How could you be sure it was a lie if he never got the chance?

I believe interfering with Buu's attack should have been obvious enough as to how it wasn't able to destroy the planet or do much afterwards anyway. Aside from that Buu was only attempting to destroy the planet and nothing else, afterwards he just went planet to planet to find Goku and Vegeta still destroying nothing more than just the planets, when he found them he could've just blew up the Kai planet of course, so obviously he did care somewhat to fight them.

And also Frieza held back on his energy when attempting to destroy the planet, hell he did a stronger death ball that destroyed a planet instantly when reflected