Originally posted by Endless Mike
Once they found out the Earth DBs couldn't be used Vegeta tried to get the ones on Namek. The whole point of the Namek saga was a 3 - way race for the Dragonballs between Vegeta, the Z-senshi, and Frieza's forces.Now as for you, carver, I am getting the impression that you are deliberately trying to ignore me by not responding point - by - point like I told you to do. It is actually quite simple. All you have to do is select a part of my argument that you want to respond to, and put quote tags around it [*quote] and [*/quote] (minus the *'s). This makes your posts much easier to follow and read and makes the discussion format much more efficient and logical.
A bullet fired from a gun made with unknown alien technology. You do know that's useless as a comparison, right?
Furthermore, it never actually hit him, so there's no proof it could have actually hurt him or he couldn't have dodged it.
Do you mean in the Four Horsemen of Apokolips arc? I don't know, but it's certainly possible. Black Adam is not a weak character by any means. However, you are missing the point of my argument. I am talking about scientific analysis of specific feats, such as the temperature of Superman's heat vision. Superman has never really gone all - out, so said scientists do not have the information to tell how powerful he truly is. However, they can measure what he is doing in the present. If he threw a punch that was strong enough to destroy a planet and they measured it, they could say with reliability that it was that strong.
Surely you realize the logical error you've made here, right? Read it over again and see if you can spot it.
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All of the properties of the moon doesn't mean that it doesn't have additional properties. If Batman had said it was completely identical to the moon in every way you would have a point, but he didn't. The newest computer models have all of the features of the old models plus new ones.
I already covered this, and you completely ignored my explanation.
[quote=me in the very post you responded to] Second of all, you are being dishonest by ignoring the particular events surrounding that situation, the Kryptonians had used some kind of technology to put a physics - warping forcefield around it, which obviously meant that the amount of physical force used to move it would not be the same, in fact physical force might not have had any effect at all, that's why the Thanagarians needed to use their Nth metal to disrupt the forcefield.
Try actually reading what I write next time.
Yes I can. It's a typical part of superhero comics or else it would be boring, like how the Flash doesn't just end all of his battles in 1 second. The full capacity rule of the forum means they will all battle to the best of their ability.
This is the exact same agument DBZ fans use to say why the villains don't just blow up the planet all the time.
No they didn't, and he was already at ligthspeed then. Darkseid has vastly faster than lightspeed reactions.
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Not to mention his speed is irrelevant in this instance since the Omega Beams will continue to follow the target regardless of its speed and they have crossed interstellar distances and dimensions and time before. You would know this if you had any knowledge of the character.
Now before you ask me to prove the speed of any more characters, I offer you a challenge: Prove that any canon DBZ character, outside of teleportation techniques, is even 1% of the speed of light. You won't be able to.
And how do we know this? Because they beat people who beat Frieza. Just like Konvikt beat the JLA who have greater feats too. Apply your own logic consistently.
Because Doomsday travels by jumping and you can jump farther on the moon
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Wrong. Just flying in space doesn't mean lightspeed, you have to have a quantifiable distance and time. Of course you understand nothing of physics or even basic arithmetic, so it's not unexpected that you would make this mistake.
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Measured by scientists. Doesn't get any clearer than that.
Yes I did. The only reason you fail to recognize it is because you are ignorant of basic physics. Should I bring up him moving the chains of Mageddon which were much larger than the earth? Moving a planet out of orbit takes a lot more energy than destroying it, BTW.
I showed him fighting from earth to the sun and back in 1 minute and 54 seconds. I showed him reaction to lightspeed things on earth twice. You are simply ignoring the evidence now.
Never happened.
Are you saying Frieza never used ki?
Panels are not a measure of time. Furthermore, Tony has built a time machine in the past, I wouldn't put FTL tech beyond him. Makes more sense than the idea that you can just ignore relativity if you're in space.
No timeframe given, but yes, Despero is fast. Your point?
How is that lightspeed? He's simply flying through space with no reference point. Not everything in space is automatically lightspeed or FTL. Maybe this is a shocking concept for your stunted brain to handle, but speed = distance / time. If a character travels a certain distance in a certain amount of time, and the product of the two is equal to or greater than the speed of light, then they are lightspeed or faster. That's all there is to it. Denying this is the same as denying basic logic and math, you might as well say that 2+2 = 5. Of course, considering your general demonstrated level of intelligence, I am not sure that you don't actually believe that. [/QUOTE]
LOL, riiiiiiight, so the bullet that was shot at Vulcan was light speed. 😆 That scan was a pretty clear showing that the bullet was going to hit Vulcan since, well, he didnt see it. 😕
You cant pick and choose, if the scientist stated that Black Adam is more powerful, deal with it. Its all hyperbole anyway.
I didnt make an error and the moral of the story is, Superman was koed by a moon busting attack.
The gems wasnt even activated when they moved the moon back into orbit. What are you talking about?
You cant use the flash to cover for Superman being tagged by Bricks since flash use his speed in EVERY fight that he is in. Then Superman and flash take hit different. People have to sneak attack flash in order to land a lick where Superman goes fist to fist with opponents that has koed him in the past. Then look at his fight against other people that has amazing space flight also, their fights is still in none super speed mode (Hulk like).
So in that scan that you put up with flash running from black racer, look very hard (you really dont have to look hard at all), when Flash come out of the portal and is running, the possessed humans are turning around looking at the flash. 😕 I guess they have light speed also. Stop picking and choosing those weak scans to prove that someone has light speed. I could easily go to a Surfer thread or Gladiator thread and find Quotes stating that they can react at light speed.
Prove that Superman can combat at 1% of the speed of light (you will never find it). Again, going by showings, it is pretty much safe to say that Goku is MUCH faster. Didnt flash recently leave Superman in the dust when he went light speed?
Yeah, you showed me Superman flying to the sun and back but again, people that doesnt even have the speed of sound combat speed has done this. Hell, Rogue has even flew threw space alongside Surfer passing planets easily. Is she anywhere close to Goku combat wise? NO.
Yes, Frieza used KI but most of his destuction came from physical attacks.
So Tony had a special suit built when he flew to the sun, PROVE IT because that suit looks like his regular ole suit.
Despero can go light speed also. 😆 Again, your argument fails. Phoenix (jean grey) has flown through the universe at many times faster than light speed, does that mean she has light speed reaction also because I have a lot of panel claiming you wrong? Ms. Marvel also have showings of flying through space at incredible speeds, flying past planets all the way to the skrull homeworld which is located in another Galaxy. Does she have light speed also?
LOL at you bringing up the mag feat. One Dumb OWNED that feat a while back and its over hyped. How about you look at those HUMANS that is pulling those chains along with Superman. Yeah, they are planet busters. 😆
Have a question, why are you using caculations for a comic book? Do you honestly believe that the writer is thinking about Caculations when writing their books? I'm not caculating nothing because its stupid and worthless since everything that is in a comic is made for a plot. Superman is meant to be in the areas that he is at, not because of caculations but its part of the story. If we go by caculations, then that would mean that grey hulk has faster than light reflexes since he was shot out of something going the speed of light and reacted fast enough to destroy a meteor that was twice the size of earth.
Combat speed wise, Goku>>>>>Superman and thats none super sayain goku.
