Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You've answered your own question .It is stated that it was caught unpreppared .
It was stated that it was uprepared for SUCH an ASSAULT"
Again:
"Fate has caught the Entity UNPREPARED for such an assault"
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By saying "it was caught by surprise"
You're trying to make it seem as though the ALE didn't see Fate coming.
And that's False,
for the ALE had just pummeled Fate & company into the ground:
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
If someone catches you unpreppared,
isn't it the same as being taken by surprise ?
No.
If you get into a boxing match and you don't train,
you've been caught un-prepared.
If you get into a card game,
and the guy next to you punches you in the face while you're not looking,
you've been caught by surprise.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And where did you get the ideea that the Anti-Life attacked first ?It was pretty obvious in that scan that the Anti-Life entity didn't attack
and the attack's source was actually Dr Fate .
Really? Is that what you saw?
I'll post them in a linear order as the pages are turned:
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Page 13- 14: (Dr Fate recruits Darkseid & Etrigen)
At this point Fate has not attack the ALE at all,
he only pulled DS & ET away from the ALE:
(anyone is free to read Cosmic Odyssey for themselves) This book 4.
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Page 15: (The ALE looks at Fate & Co. and ATTACKS FIRST)
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Page16: (Fate & Co. aren't phased by the ATTACK, and strike back)
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Page17: (Fate & Co. strike again, driving the ALE back AGAIN)
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Then they escape and destroy the Dimension between their Universe,
and the ALE's Realm.
That's it.
Cosmic Odyssey #1-4 pick up copies if you wish.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
The point was that the Anti-Life Entity soon recovered and overpowered Dr Fate so he resorted to destroying the dimension and returning to the main reality. That doesn't really seem like a win, more like a defeat seeing as how the Anti-Life was overpowering him and he run from there.
The point also is that the ALE attacked Fate & Co. directly FIRST,
and Fate & Co. were Not harmed,
then Fate & Co. blasted the ALE back Twice.
THEN ... they escaped.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Omnipotent = All PowerfullLT > IG
IG = Omnipotent so then
Lt > Omnipotence ?
LT? = even more Omnipotent than the IG ... in Marvel that's the way it works.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I really don't want to start the different levels of Omnipotence here also .
That's not even a debate.
EVERYONE knows Marvel has different levels of Omnipotence,
You yourself know this, but you can't bring yourself to accept this fact.
There's nothing funnier than me posting the scans
that clearly without any space for speculation state in plain english,
"Do we not posses Infinite Power"
"Yes, Our might is Infinite"
"But THERE are LEVELS of INFINITY"
Then you coming back saying,
"that doesn't say that, I already explained what that really means" LOL!
Just like right now,
"It was pretty obvious in that scan that the Anti-Life entity didn't attack
and the attack's source was actually Dr Fate"
(Unbelievable) LOL!
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And you have no proof that the power Fate was having could be overpowered by the IG.
Fate destroyed a Universe (that's the only feat we have to go by)
IG .. actually forget the IG,
4 Gems a truly INCOMPLETE IG ...
Creating UniverseS back to back, one after another.
There, stomped.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Yet it was still inferior to Lt while the Anti-Life Entity wasn't shown to be inferior to anybody .
"Anybody?"
You mean Fate-Darkseid-Etrigen, Highfather and Orion?
😂
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Did you miss his reaction to the Anti-Life's power ? He was shocked and a tear appeared on his face . And nothing points out that the experience wasn't him seeing Anti-Life , experiencing and then going back.
Dude, so proof is shown to you and yet you continuously deny it.
What's the point of debating with you?
You're proven wrong, and then you re-post nonsense, no offense but it's nonsense.
I just showed you how Metron became comatose with the scans,
and you're gonna sit there and return with seriousness and say,
"And nothing points out that the experience wasn't him seeing Anti-Life , experiencing and then going back"
(You must be yankin my chain)
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
My point is that he saw the Anti-Life and due to it's power he was in shock and felt insingnificant.
There we can agree.
Metron was indeed in awe of the ALE.
But that's not what made him comatose.
Heck he managed to get out of there and even punch in sequences in his chair.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You mean Darkseid saying that something is more powerfull than he even [b]dared dream doesn't say anything to you ? [/B]
Exactly.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
The Anti-Life equation didn't attack first, it was attacked and replied only after Fate caught it [b]unpreppared. You haven't proven anything wrong , the Anti-Life Entity was unpreppared for the attack thus was taken by surprise. [/B]
😆
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Actually they didn't survive an attack from the ALE because the ALE wasn't the one that attacked them first. And their attack took the ALE unpreppared and when it finally started responding, Fate realized it would overpower them and isolated the Ale and ran.
rofl2
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Actually no , you haven't really shown anything new.
liar
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Weren't we talking about if it can beat the Anti-Life Entity and not about if it can destroy its dimension ?And why would Galactus use the UN to destroy that dimension, [b]if
he could ?What issue was this ? I want to check it our for myself.
Ok, now I'm really off. [/B]
I assume destroying its dimension = killing the damm thing.
Because it would kill the Anti-life
It was in X-Men: The Chaos Engine Trilogy
Note: Master reads it like the CC only would gradually be capable of destroying the Omniverse I read it differently.
Sure you are 😈
To no avail though,as you saw even with the proof the man is in denial.
With what proof ?
And in denial with what ?
And then you spill blabbering about how I'm trying to make you look bad. You know how this kind of people are called right ?
It was stated that it was uprepared for SUCH an ASSAULT"Again:
"Fate has caught the Entity UNPREPARED for such an assault"
..............................................................................By saying "it was caught by surprise"
You're trying to make it seem as though the ALE didn't see Fate coming.
And that's False,
for the ALE had just pummeled Fate & company into the ground:
No.
If you get into a boxing match and you don't train,
you've been caught un-prepared.If you get into a card game,
and the guy next to you punches you in the face while you're not looking,
you've been caught by surprise.
Actually surprised and unpreppared have the same meaning here.
It is stated that the ALE was caught unpreppared for such an attack.
Thus she didn't know that they could muster such a powerfull attack.
Thus the power of the attack took the ALE by surprise.
Is that really that hard to comprehend ?
Really? Is that what you saw?I'll post them in a linear order as the pages are turned:
...............................................................................................Page 13- 14: (Dr Fate recruits Darkseid & Etrigen)
At this point Fate has not attack the ALE at all,
he only pulled DS & ET away from the ALE:
(anyone is free to read Cosmic Odyssey for themselves) This book 4................................................................................................
Page 15: (The ALE looks at Fate & Co. and ATTACKS FIRST)
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Page16: (Fate & Co. aren't phased by the ATTACK, and strike back)
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Page17: (Fate & Co. strike again, driving the ALE back AGAIN)
...............................................................................................
Then they escape and destroy the Dimension between their Universe,
and the ALE's Realm.That's it.
Cosmic Odyssey #1-4 pick up copies if you wish.
The point also is that the ALE attacked Fate & Co. directly FIRST,
and Fate & Co. were Not harmed,
then Fate & Co. blasted the ALE back Twice.THEN ... they escaped.
What are you seeing exactly ? Where is there any evidence that the Anti-Life entity attacked Dr Fate and the company in any way?
1.Dr Fate appears
2.He makes the "Cinque of Cosmic Power"
3.The Anti-Life Entity approaches them
4.Dr Fate blasts it (taking the ALE unpreppared by the attack)
5.Soon the Anti-Life starts overpowering them
6.Dr Fate blasts the dimension that isolates the Entity.
Is this hard to see also ?
I'm really starting to question your comprehending ability. You have a problem comprehending a lot of things.
LT? = even more Omnipotent than the IG ... in Marvel that's the way it works.
I just saved that 😆
Seriously, that just slaps logic.
That's not even a debate.EVERYONE knows Marvel has different levels of Omnipotence,
You yourself know this, but you can't bring yourself to accept this fact.
There's nothing funnier than me posting the scans
that clearly without any space for speculation state in plain english,"Do we not posses Infinite Power"
"Yes, Our might is Infinite"
"But THERE are LEVELS of INFINITY"
Then you coming back saying,
"that doesn't say that, I already explained what that really means" LOL!
Just like right now,
"It was pretty obvious in that scan that the Anti-Life entity didn't attack
and the attack's source was actually Dr Fate"
(Unbelievable) LOL!
I already explained to you what the scans meant.
You refuse to accept and go on with your illogical claims thinking that you are right.
That summarises pretty much all our discussions on this subject.
Fate destroyed a Universe (that's the only feat we have to go by)IG .. actually forget the IG,
4 Gems a truly INCOMPLETE IG ...
Creating UniverseS back to back, one after another.There, stomped.
We don't know how big the dimension was, for all we know it could have been as big as Marvel's Multiverse/Omniverse or even bigger so it's an assumption on your part.
We don't know how powerfull Fate was so you using the fact that he destroyed just this dimension, without knowing how big the dimension is nor Dr Fate's true destruction abilities, and then using it to backup that IG is stronger than him is an assumption also.
There, stomped.
🙂
"Anybody?"You mean Fate-Darkseid-Etrigen, Highfather and Orion?
laughing out loud
Did you just say that ALE was weaker than them ?
😆
You really have a comperehension problem.
Did you just miss the fact that Dr Fate stated that they are inferior to it and that even the narator stated that they are inferior to it?
I should really stop the discussion right here.
There we can agree.Metron was indeed in awe of the ALE.
But that's not what made him comatose.
Heck he managed to get out of there and even punch in sequences in his chair.
My bad, I must have been more specifical. Comatos as in meaning shock and being in tears after seeing the ALE,not necesarilly the condition he was after seeing the ALe and exiting it's realm.
This is irrelevant anyway because that was not the point I was focusing at,more to the point that he felt insignificant and was in tears after witnessing it's power.
Exactly.
Wierd
As for the other posts, you just replied with smilies as usual so there's no point in replying to them.
I assume destroying its dimension = killing the damm thing.Because it would kill the Anti-life
It wouldn't, it would just isolate it from the main reality.
It was in X-Men: The Chaos Engine Trilogy
I'll check it out
Note: Master reads it like the CC only would gradually be capable of destroying the Omniverse I read it differently.
Okay
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
With what proof ?And in denial with what ?
I'm convinced you're just playing around.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And then you spill blabbering about how I'm trying to make you look bad.
You tried, but instead it backfired into your own corner.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You know how this kind of people are called right ?
Who cares, but I do know what lots of cats are calling you, and justifyingly so.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Actually surprised and unpreppared have the same meaning here.It is stated that the ALE was caught unpreppared for such an attack.
Thus she didn't know that they could muster such a powerfull attack.
Thus the power of the attack took the ALE by surprise.
Is that really that hard to comprehend ?
The ALE wasn't taken by surprise, Dr Fat & Co. were right in it's face,
Dr fate & Co. had just survived a full DOUBLE FISTED bash into the ground,
UNHARMED!!!
Then while being BURIED for an instant, Fate & Co. Boom bashed the ALE BACK.
That's what "surprised" the ALE, that Fate & Co. were able to blow it back with one blast.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
What are you seeing exactly ?Where is there any evidence that the Anti-Life entity
attacked Dr Fate and the company in any way?1.Dr Fate appears
2.He makes the "Cinque of Cosmic Power"
3.The Anti-Life Entity approaches them
----- (Right HERE ... belongs the PART you're in DENIAL about) ----
4.Dr Fate blasts it (taking the ALE unpreppared by the attack)
5.Soon the Anti-Life starts overpowering them
6.Dr Fate blasts the dimension that isolates the Entity.
Is this hard to see also ?
Everyone ... notice between 3. and 4.
how this cat consciously and deliberately ignores what takes place On Panel,
to keep his fallacious point as the word of truth.
I'll use YOU'RE own numbering system to make the fallacy shine!
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At this point Fate has not attack the ALE at all,
he only pulled DS & ET away from the ALE:
(anyone is free to read Cosmic Odyssey for themselves) This is book 4.
Page 13- 14:
1.Dr Fate appears ... 2.He makes the "Cinque of Cosmic Power"
...............................................................................................
Page 15:
3.The Anti-Life Entity approaches them
And then what? (According to you nothing, Fate just decided to attack.
But the FACT is:
(The ALE looks at Fate & Co. and ATTACKS FIRST)
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^^^ This is not an attack yall ... this the ALE giving Fate & Co. a body massage.
😆
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Page16:
4.Dr Fate blasts it (taking the ALE unpreppared by the attack)
Yea ok,
Although it just DOUBLE FIST pounded Fate & Co. into the ground,
it somehow had no idea Fate Co. were even there.
hysterical
The FACT!
(Fate & Co. aren't phased by the ATTACK, and strike back)
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Page17: (Fate & Co. strike again, driving the ALE back AGAIN)
And then they escape, fin.
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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I'm really starting to question your comprehending ability.You have a problem comprehending a lot of things.
I think from the above illustration, everyone knows what is going on here.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I just saved thatSeriously, that just slaps logic.
I already explained to you what the scans meant.
You refuse to accept and go on with your illogical claims thinking that you are right.
That summarises pretty much all our discussions on this subject.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The question is,DOES MARVEL HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INFINITY?
(who cares if it's illogical blah, blah, blah ahh shut up)DOES MARVEL HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INFINITY?
..............................................................Kubik says,
"Our power is as nothing to the Celestials"
Kosmos replies,
"But Kubik, do we not possess Infinite Power (Omnipotence)
Kubik retorts,
"Yes, Our might is Infinite. But there are Levels of Infinity"
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It doesn't really say that, It was I that drew that issue and did the lettering. 😆
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CONTINUES ...
Kubik finishes,
"Thus are demonstrated TWO LEVELS of INFINITY,
there are of course, an INFINITE number MORE"
whistling
Yea, you explained them, I know Kubik didn't just say,
Although his power is Infinite .... there are LEVELS of INFINITY"
That's just the imgination of us all.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
We don't know how big the dimension was, for all we know it could have been as big as Marvel's Multiverse/Omniverse or even bigger so it's an assumption on your part.
So now the ALE's realm (A Realm within the DC Reality)
may be bigger than all of Marvel on its own. 😆
Oh goodness, this is getting saved.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Did you just say that ALE was weaker than them ?You [b]really
have a comperehension problem.Did you just miss the fact that Dr Fate stated that they are inferior to it and that even the narator stated that they are inferior to it?[/B]
Yea and try and wiggle your way around and controt the what was really said in an attempt to save face after the ridiculous interpretations your guilty of.
I said:
Originally posted by Mr Master
IG was stated to make one god, by Two writers narrating the story.And Infinite?
Forget it, to many cats to mention that claimed that about the IG.
The IG is supposedly Omnipotent
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrYet it was still inferior to Lt
while the Anti-Life Entity wasn't shown to be inferior to anybody
Originally posted by Mr Master
"Anybody?" (as in no one defeated it?)You mean Fate-Darkseid-Etrigen, Highfather and Orion?
😂
those were the ONLY cats that ever challenged the ALE.
Unlike the IG that took out the entire Marvel Cosmic Hierarchy (of 616 no less)
Which possess the power of the full power of Multiverse!
And yea, being below the LT shows how weak you are. dontgetit
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
My bad, I must have been more specifical. Comatos as in meaning shock and being in tears after seeing the ALE,not necesarilly the condition he was after seeing the ALe and exiting it's realm.
Uhh, no, you actually meant it the other way.
You repeated it like 5 times,
and in the Respect thread you made you also mentioned it.
Along with the other fallacy,
claiming the ALE was taken by surprise. LOL!
I'm convinced you're just playing around.
?
You tried, but instead it backfired into your own corner.
What the hell ?
You like making stuff up or something ?
Who cares, but I do know what lots of cats are calling you, and justifyingly so.
A lot of cats ? There are only a few trolls who do so.
I didn't have any problems with any of the users on this board except you and a few idiots who aren't even worth mentioning.
The ALE wasn't taken by surprise, Dr Fat & Co. were right in it's face,
Dr fate & Co. had just survived a full DOUBLE FISTED bash into the ground,
UNHARMED!!!
The while being BURIED for an instant, Fate &Co. Boom bashed the ALE BACK.That's what "surprised" the ALE, that Fat & Co. were able to blow it back with one blast
Did you just miss the explination as to why it was taken by surprise ?
You ignored it .
And started spilling blabbering about how the ALE attacked them and such, trying to change the subject.
It's kinda funny seeing you subtly trying to change the subject.
It doesn't work really since I've dealt with many of your kind 😉
Everyone ... notice between 3. and 4.
how this cat consciously and deliberately ignores what takes place On Panel,
to keep his fallacious point as the word of truth.I'll use YOU'RE own numbering system to make the fallacy shine!
...............................................................................................At this point Fate has not attack the ALE at all,
he only pulled DS & ET away from the ALE:
(anyone is free to read Cosmic Odyssey for themselves) This is book 4.Page 13- 14:
1.Dr Fate appears ... 2.He makes the "Cinque of Cosmic Power"
...............................................................................................
Page 15:
3.The Anti-Life Entity approaches them
And then what? (According to you nothing, Fate just decided to attack.
But the FACT is:
(The ALE looks at Fate & Co. and ATTACKS FIRST)
...............................................................................................
^^^ This is not an attack yall ... this the ALE giving Fate & Co. a body massage.laughing
...............................................................................................Page16:
4.Dr Fate blasts it (taking the ALE unpreppared by the attack)
Yea ok,
Although it just DOUBLE FIST pounded Fate & Co. into the ground,
it somehow had no idea Fate Co. were even there.The FACT!
[/I](Fate & Co. aren't phased by the ATTACK, and strike back)
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Page17: (Fate & Co. strike again, driving the ALE back AGAIN)
And then they escape, fin.
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So you're practically repeating everything you said already, trying to make me look bad as if I have a comprehending problem ?
This would be funny.
If it wouldn't be so pathetic.
You have no proof that the Ale entity attacked them.
I already explained to you what happened but as usual, you go on with your blabbering.
Dr Fate forms the cinque of power.
Ale approaches them.
Fate blasts it.
The Ale Entity didn't attack them.
But I guess it's hard for you to understand.
I think from the above illustration, everyone knows what is going on here.
The illustrations above show what I've been saying.
So stop spilling nonsense because you're making a fool of yourself.
As for the different levels of infinity issue, I'm not even going to adress it again since you obviously can't comprehend it anyway.
Point is that the Ale hasn't shown to be inferior in power to anybody while the Infinity Gauntlet was. Period.
So now the ALE's realm (A Realm within the DC Reality)may be bigger than all of Marvel on its own. laughing
Oh goodness, this is getting saved.
Actually I was not saying that it was bigger than Marvel, what I was ilustrating is that you guaging Fate's power based on the fact that he destroyed the dimension, without knowing how big the dimension is, implies assumptions .
But you have comprehending problems so I'm not surprised really.
Yea and try and wiggle your way around and controt the what was really said in an attempt to save face after the ridiculous interpretations your guilty of.
My post :
" Yet it was still inferior to Lt while the Anti-Life Entity wasn't shown to be inferior to anybody ."
Your reply :
""Anybody?"
You mean Fate-Darkseid-Etrigen, Highfather and Orion?"
Thus, you implied that the cinque of power was superior to the ALE .
They aren't.
So you are wrong.
Simple 😄
Uhh, no, you actually meant it the other way.You repeated it like 5 times,
and in the Respect thread you made you also mentioned it.Along with the other fallacy,
claiming the ALE was taken by surprise. LOL!
I was reffering to the reaction Metron had to the Anti-Life Entity, since that was one of my arguments. I should have been more specific when reffering to the comatose.
The rest is lunacy.
this too, but it's especially funny. 🙂
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrYou have no proof that the Ale entity attacked them.
I already explained to you what happened but as usual,
you go on with your blabbering.
Dr Fate forms the cinque of power.
Ale approaches them. (And as we can see the ALE does nothing)
(DOUBLE FISTED pummeling is not really happening)Fate blasts it.
crazy
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrThe Ale Entity didn't attack them.
But I guess it's hard for you to understand.
durznuts
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrThe illustrations above show what I've been saying.
So stop spilling nonsense because you're making a fool of yourself.
🙄
I can't believe this is going on.
The ALE had a hard time with the combination of Dr Fate, Etrigan, Darkseid, Highfather, and Orion. It's initial attack (and it's CLEARLY an attack, looking at that scan) did nothing. It was even hurt and taken offguard by their assault.
The Infinity Gauntlet ONE SHOTTED Death, Eternity, Infinity, Galactus, Chaos, Order, The Inbetweener, The Stranger, Several Celestials, Love, Hate, and several others that escape me at the moment simultaneously
There was nothing any or all of them could do against it. Only the tribunal's reversing time (or undoing the action, whatever you wish to call it) saved them. Are you seriously comparing the power of the cinque to every abstract in marvel combined, and then some?
If so, you need to read more comics.
Not Infinity Man.
The Infinite Man is probably one of the most powerful beings in comics.
The wiki profile I found downplays his use of his powers, but other sources show what he can do.
The Infinite Man draws his power from "ALL OF TIME". Period.
All the energy and everything within is his.
Infinite Man is my "sleeper".
Originally posted by Horrificus
The Infinite ManNot Infinity Man.
The Infinite Man is probably one of the most powerful beings in comics.
The wiki profile I found downplays his use of his powers, but other sources show what he can do.The Infinite Man draws his power from "ALL OF TIME". Period.
All the energy and everything within is his.Infinite Man is my "sleeper".
One problem. The Infinite man isn't in Marvel. Nice find though.
I'm confused on this whole debate. When fate pooled the power of the cinque, it was already stated that etrigan alone could tap almost infinite power. Dr. Fate used DS and HF and ORION to tap the power of the SOURCE. And then Fate taps Nabu's own power. Nabu is a multiversal being. The source is omniversal. Etrigans power is mystical and supernatural. DR. Fate basically was wielding Probably the most power any being in DS has ever had besides the upper upper tiers alike mxy and ps and spectre. And yet he could't really beat the ALE. People need to really start thinking. Highfather alone can rip Time, space, and reality with a wave of a wand. DS creates alter realities. Of course fate was tapping the full power of Nabu as he was trying to save the DCU proper. It's rediculous to think anything Less than an Omniversal power would be able to actually beat the full power of the ALE. And that is only one showing of the ALE. there are others.
