Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. DS had NEVER been beaten before Apok Now. DS doesn't lie.
Of cpurse Darksied is a proven liar.
Why?
Becasue we all sAW hik get nearly beaten to death by Doomsday.
Cease with these ridiculous fantasies of yours.
Superman confirms with his silence, and also with his statement that on today he is stronger.
Superman not saying anything means nothing.
Superman being stronger than Darkseid is the only thing you can infer from Sueprman's stement.
DS avatar also didn't use the omega effect on DS. Now lets leave that alone for another thread.
Originally posted by panthergod
BWAHAHAHAHAHA.Of cpurse Darksied is a proven liar.
Why?
Becasue we all sAW hik get nearly beaten to death by Doomsday.
Cease with these ridiculous fantasies of yours.
LOL.
Superman not saying anything means nothing.
Superman being stronger than Darkseid is the only thing you can infer from Sueprman's stement.
no one cares what he did to himsself. the subject is Doomsday. and he did use them on Superman who merely deflected them with Eat Vision.
Your still here? LMAO. As if anyone takes you seriously or cares about your trollish ways. LMAO 😆 😆 😆
Originally posted by Sarutobi700
Surfer beats any incarnation of Supes badly. Curbstomp goes to SILVER SURFER
Pre-crisi Superman almost ended existance, and breached the barrier between life and afterlife with just speed alone... and he didn't even mean to... Surfer would get raped. And PC Superman wouldn't even mean to do that either.
All-Star Superman is out of the question. Surfer is outclassed in every
category when it comes to All-Star Superman.
And current Superman, that would be a good battle, I could see that going either way.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't say anything about a physical confrontation, nor does the thread limit specify it as such.
It doesn't matter, before Surfer got the chance to drain any of these, they would have already pounded several craters in his body.
Pre-Crisi Superman-
"Great Scott! The Power Cosmic! Now I'll have to use my Super-anti-reverse amplified power cosmic reflection belching power!"
Surfer- -wftpwned dead-
Originally posted by Sirius77
Pre-crisi Superman almost ended existance, and breached the barrier between life and afterlife with just speed alone... and he didn't even mean to... Surfer would get raped. And PC Superman wouldn't even mean to do that either.All-Star Superman is out of the question. Surfer is outclassed in every
category when it comes to All-Star Superman.And current Superman, that would be a good battle, I could see that going either way.
All Star Superman is stronger, and likely more durable than Surfer.
Doesn't mean anything when he can just hasten his death via solar amping.
Just because someone doesn't punch another character in the face, doesn't mean he lost the ownership papers.
PC Supes is above Norrin by far tho.
Originally posted by darthgoober
As impressive as PC Supes was, he was also notoriously vulnerable to K-nite and red sun radiation(unlike current Supes who's built up a resistance to both), which is why Surfer is able to pull some wins against him IMO. Hell, Surfer could actually create gold k-nite for an easy win.
If given time. Do you realize how fast Pre-Crisis Superman is?
Originally posted by darthgoober
1. And Supes going so fast he travels to Heaven makes sense how?
2. You're trying to bring in real world science, and that's a no go due to the on panel narration. Via the story it was a significant strength feat, so "real world" reasoning doesn't factor into it. Via "real world" science, it's impossible for someone to go faster than the speed of light, so does that mean that we disregard everyone's "faster than light movement" feats? In that case, Surfer is DEFINATELY equal to PC Supes in the speed department because both of them top out at just shy of lightspeed.
Superman enters hyperspace effortlessly
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc14ih6.jpg
Altered time without trying
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc17tk5.gif
Travelled Trillions of miles in a second as a child, effortlessly
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc1bc4.jpg
Supes easily threw a neutron star several light years away. He claims that the star weighed Trillions of tons and that it exerted a magnetic pull greater then Dozens of Super-Novas, but this didn't affect him in the slightest
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc2mw9.jpg
PC Flash beats up Specter, and searches the entire universe for him in moments
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...shvsspectre.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...=flashspeed.jpg
... But he's not faster than Pre-Crisis Superman
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc1cd9.jpg
Gets punched through time, and flies back
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8783709
People act like breaking the time barrier is a big deal, Pre-Crisis Superman did it... as a baby
http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superboy11904zn5.jpg
Superman crossing the distance of entire UniverseS
back to back nearly instantaneously:
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su2eq5.jpg
Superman reaches the ends of the Multiverse and keeps going further:
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su3uo8.jpg
Superman goes so far that Spectre has to stop him,
before he actually reaches Heaven:
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su4bj9.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su5al6.jpg
Superman doesn't quite understand and decides to attack Spectre
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su6qm6.jpg
Superman can't affect Spectre, (who was sent by the Presence)
so after Spectre toys with him for a while, he teaches him a final lesson:
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su7ea8.jpg
The Voice of the Presence speaks to Superman:
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su8lg0.jpg
Superman was threatening countless civilizations across all of Reality,
by shattering all of it's Universal barriers and nearly breaking into Heaven:
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su9vg2.jpg
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su10oj1.jpg
Oh, and just for the heck of it, here's Superman containing a Supernova
Takes an attack equal to the magnetic repulsion of a hundred galaxies
http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/5o5y/view-image/jimmyolsen-147--10-a-superman-in-supertown.html
Surfer doesn't have a chance.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Superman enters hyperspace effortlesslyhttp://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc14ih6.jpg
Altered time without trying
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc17tk5.gif
Travelled Trillions of miles in a second as a child, effortlessly
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc1bc4.jpg
Supes easily threw a neutron star several light years away. He claims that the star weighed Trillions of tons and that it exerted a magnetic pull greater then Dozens of Super-Novas, but this didn't affect him in the slightest
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc2mw9.jpg
PC Flash beats up Specter, and searches the entire universe for him in moments
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...shvsspectre.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...=flashspeed.jpg... But he's not faster than Pre-Crisis Superman
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc1cd9.jpg
Gets punched through time, and flies back
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8783709
People act like breaking the time barrier is a big deal, Pre-Crisis Superman did it... as a baby
http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superboy11904zn5.jpg
Superman crossing the distance of entire UniverseS
back to back nearly instantaneously:
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su2eq5.jpg
Superman reaches the ends of the Multiverse and keeps going further:
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su3uo8.jpg
Superman goes so far that Spectre has to stop him,
before he actually reaches Heaven:
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su4bj9.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su5al6.jpg
Superman doesn't quite understand and decides to attack Spectre
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su6qm6.jpg
Superman can't affect Spectre, (who was sent by the Presence)
so after Spectre toys with him for a while, he teaches him a final lesson:
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su7ea8.jpg
The Voice of the Presence speaks to Superman:
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su8lg0.jpg
Superman was threatening countless civilizations across all of Reality,
by shattering all of it's Universal barriers and nearly breaking into Heaven:
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su9vg2.jpg
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su10oj1.jpg
Oh, and just for the heck of it, here's Superman containing a Supernova
Takes an attack equal to the magnetic repulsion of a hundred galaxies
http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/5o5y/view-image/jimmyolsen-147--10-a-superman-in-supertown.html
Surfer doesn't have a chance.
And if I'm reading my countdown correctly, it looks like a blending of the Silver Age and current age into one.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Either way Surfer isn't beating Superman. That's what I was trying to get across.For Pre-Crisis Superman it would be child's play.
I dont' see surfer beating current superman without some plot device weakness. Surfer couldn't just out power superman. THat is for sure. None of the lanterns seem to be able to do it.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' see surfer beating current superman without some plot device weakness. Surfer couldn't just out power superman. THat is for sure. None of the lanterns seem to be able to do it.
agreed, if it came down to a match of just pure power against power supes would take it imo