The argument that surfer has no good combat speed or reaction time is absolutely ridiculous. How can it be explained that a character who fights
multiple starships moving at multiple times the speed of light, has been able to calculate the trajectory of a being that instantaneously teleports
and hit him at his point of landing during battle and Simultaneously fly to and BLAST nearly every capital city in the world in seconds does not have good combat speed. This idea is extremely laughable as the surfer has proved time and time again that he has fantsastic combat speed and reaction times. Just because the surfer has gotten hit by characters like thing and hulk does not mean he has no combat speed as even superman has gotten hit by extremely slow characters and yet i hear no one quqestioning his combat speed. Just like superman, when the surfer has had to use his speed in combat he has used it, the problem is that he hardly ever has to use it because of his uncountable number of other powers but this does not mean that he does not have it. Superman can never beat a surfer that uses his powers to their full potential, this idea is simply absurd
Originally posted by horrorwolf
🙄 You dont know much about Silver Surfer.the speed he amps through his board...he can do with with ANY of his abilities. that would include speed....again, he only needs energy sources to do so. and he CAN do it BEYOND Superman levels. Either you are a Superman fanboy, or you dont know what the hell you are talking about.
And again he won't even have to touch Superman physically, he could just drain his solar energies....or even easier screw with his Kryptonian makeup for any number of desired effects.
My friend, you are not understanding that it takes time to do anything. SS doesn't have prep here. So when the bell sounds SS will be out for the count with no chance to amp or even blink (if he even has eyelids).
P.S. I have read many many SS comics in my life.
And if you have too then you will agree that his reflex and battle speed sucks a$$.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
The argument that surfer has no good combat speed or reaction time is absolutely ridiculous. How can it be explained that a character who fights
multiple starships moving at multiple times the speed of light, has been able to calculate the trajectory of a being that instantaneously teleports
and hit him at his point of landing during battle and Simultaneously fly to and BLAST nearly every capital city in the world in seconds does not have good combat speed. This idea is extremely laughable as the surfer has proved time and time again that he has fantsastic combat speed and reaction times. Just because the surfer has gotten hit by characters like thing and hulk does not mean he has no combat speed as even superman has gotten hit by extremely slow characters and yet i hear no one quqestioning his combat speed. Just like superman, when the surfer has had to use his speed in combat he has used it, the problem is that he hardly ever has to use it because of his uncountable number of other powers but this does not mean that he does not have it. Superman can never beat a surfer that uses his powers to their full potential, this idea is simply absurd
Sorry but starships in comics don't fight moving anywhere near the speed of light.
There is no such thing as trajectory in teleportation. Please show a scan of what you are talking about.
SS has never proved anywhere (not even 1 time) that he has very great reactions or combat speed. Pull that crap on someone who hasn't read a lot of SS comics. Any SS fan who has read a lot of SS will tell you that both his reactions and battlespeed sucks. And this is a fact.
Originally posted by h1a8
Sorry but starships in comics don't fight moving anywhere near the speed of light.There is no such thing as trajectory in teleportation. Please show a scan of what you are talking about.
SS has never proved anywhere (not even 1 time) that he has very great reactions or combat speed. Pull that crap on someone who hasn't read a lot of SS comics. Any SS fan who has read a lot of SS will tell you that both his reactions and battlespeed sucks. And this is a fact.
If you look in the SS thread there are examples of him showing superspeed reflexes.
I also think that the guy was saying that if you have to move around at top speed you must have fast reflexes and hence can use them in combat.
This for starters.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg
and this...mentions nanoseconds.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg
Originally posted by h1a8
Sorry but starships in comics don't fight moving anywhere near the speed of light.There is no such thing as trajectory in teleportation. Please show a scan of what you are talking about.
SS has never proved anywhere (not even 1 time) that he has very great reactions or combat speed. Pull that crap on someone who hasn't read a lot of SS comics. Any SS fan who has read a lot of SS will tell you that both his reactions and battlespeed sucks. And this is a fact.
You really are something to behold. Roll over to the SS respect thread and you will see the teleportation thing. Yeah and of course teleportation does not have trajectory but SS still calculated where he would land anyway was able to get there in time. You say he has never proved that he has good reactions? Have u even checked the respect thread at all. How can someone who flew to nearly all earths capital cities and ATTACKED them all in a matter of seconds not have great battle speed. Are u confused or simply in denial
Originally posted by h1a8
My friend, you are not understanding that it takes time to do [B]anything. SS doesn't have prep here. So when the bell sounds SS will be out for the count with no chance to amp or even blink (if he even has eyelids).P.S. I have read many many SS comics in my life.
And if you have too then you will agree that his reflex and battle speed sucks a$$. [/B]
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yes but thankfully, Surfer's reaction speeds are a great deal better than that, or else he'd have been paste on an asteroid long ago.
there's a fair few feats of speed/reaction from the Surfer, in space. usually dodging attacks or asteroids or something.
I can't believe this is even remotely contested. Surfer's reaction speeds are beyond Superman's period.
Originally posted by janus77You'd have an easier time trying to prove travel speed, and even that would be hard-pressed against current Supes who has been portrayed going lightyears in moments.
I can't believe this is even remotely contested. Surfer's reaction speeds are beyond Superman's period.
Saying his reaction and combat speed is higher, would be much trickier, when Supes probably has by far more showings of diminating victories using his speed.
Originally posted by Juntai
You'd have an easier time trying to prove travel speed, and even that would be hard-pressed against current Supes who has been portrayed going lightyears in moments.Saying his reaction and combat speed is higher, would be much trickier, when Supes probably has by far more showings of diminating victories using his speed.
Surfer is more peripheral, though still quite important, within Marvel. more of a romantic escape figure... soaring the spaceways, just think of the way he's described... so such feats don't happen much in his stories.
but they have happened, he has shown reaction-times well into the nanoseconds... like searching every scrap of earth in the time it take Strange to utter a sentence, like dodging asteroids at lightspeed (the on-coming asteroids would just multiply the aggregate 'speed' of everything and divide the reaction times even more).
Surfer's brain works on a cosmic level too, being granted a portion of CA, allowing him to process infinitely greater quantities of information without jamming up or slowing down - meaning that his brain calculates and measures probabilities faster than the typical superhero - supporting the reaction times he occasionally demonstrates.
all in all, he's superior to Superman, by a huge margin, in every conceivable way, imo.
Originally posted by janus77I disagree, though I won't debate your opinion of Surfer winning a confrontation between the two, because that's your opinion. ..[and a waste of time when you think Surfer would solo the JLA with two GLs on the team]... although I believe both have the ability to beat the other.....but Superman after Infinite Crisis, got a boost in mental faculties as well, he processes vast amounts of information even faster than previous. He has a 'super brain' per-se...And Superman has a feat to match pretty much everything you named.
well Superman is DC's most iconic figure, he's their moral code writ large = good triumphing through adversity with determination etc etc ...Surfer is more peripheral, though still quite important, within Marvel. more of a romantic escape figure... soaring the spaceways, just think of the way he's described... so such feats don't happen much in his stories.
but they have happened, he has shown reaction-times well into the nanoseconds... like searching every scrap of earth in the time it take Strange to utter a sentence, like dodging asteroids at lightspeed (the on-coming asteroids would just multiply the aggregate 'speed' of everything and divide the reaction times even more).
Surfer's brain works on a cosmic level too, being granted a portion of CA, allowing him to process infinitely greater quantities of information without jamming up or slowing down - meaning that his brain calculates and measures probabilities faster than the typical superhero - supporting the reaction times he occasionally demonstrates.
all in all, he's superior to Superman, by a huge margin, in every conceivable way, imo.
Originally posted by AlfheimCo-signed.
Anyway...if SS can scan Gladiator for weaknesses...he could probably do it to Superman.
And does it really matter if Surfer's has less reflex feats than Superman? Surfer still has them, enough to prove he has the superhuman reflexes to counter a Superman speed blitz.
