Originally posted by h1a8💃
Cap was helping to set Thanos up (for SS to take the gauntlet).
That is why he didn't move. He just watched the punch intently.
It Cap can see the punch vividly then how fast do you think it was?
Not fast all all.It was more of a "Well I outta knock you head off for that.", type of punch.
The point is that SS not only can react to Superman level speeds but he can't generate the necessary speed in less than a second.
Sokay, Cap was supposed to keep Thanos occupied, so he does this by staring while Thanos's fist hangs in the air for several seconds? Is that what you want to believe? Wouldn't it maybe make more sense for Cap to slip inside Thanos defenses (while his arm is just sitting there for several seconds as you suggest) and hit him?
He did not do this. Why? Because he didn't have time; all these panels were meant to happen in an instant.
Originally posted by batdude123Uhmm...no. Silver Surfer dominates here. He can expose and rape Superman. He has weaknesses and would be dominated because of them. Power cosmic from the Surfer is great than Kalel's Kryptonian powers. 😛
Superman and Surfer split it here, although Superman may have a slight advantage in the fact that he's more battle oriented than Norrin.
Originally posted by h1a8Please give up this speed blitz argument. It pains me to see that you are still doing this. 😐
Someone show me one feat where SS is able to dodge a Superman level speed object at battle distance. Or show me feats where it equates that to be the same.As far as speed this is the only thing I give SS:
After about a second (or two) of travel his speed reaches FTL speeds. But before the second (or two) his top speed is less than Superman's. There's a scan (I think in his respect thread) that actually times him traveling with all his might within the first second (or two). His speed barely reaches that of a bullet within this second. And a second to Superman is like an eternity.
Now since SS definitely has super reflexes and super battle speed. But so does Spider-man. So I don't understand why people here (I guess they are bias fans) actually believe that SS has even half the reflexes and battle speed as Superman. His reflexes and in close battle speed should be somewhere near Spider-mans. I guess these people are using the dumb a&& logic, "Since SS can travel lightyears in moments then his battle speed and reflexes are better than Superman's".
Surfer loses to Superman due to a speed blitz.
Superman dies.
For the surfer to be able to navigate himself at the speeds that he travels at in space and on earth without crashing into any of the numerous asteroids in space or any buildings on earth, it means that he has to have extremely fast reflexes in order to react at that speed. If he
had the slow reaction times dat some people have claimed, he would have been mush before he could even think.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
For the surfer to be able to navigate himself at the speeds that he travels at in space and on earth without crashing into any of the numerous asteroids in space or any buildings on earth, it means that he has to have extremely fast reflexes in order to react at that speed. If he
had the slow reaction times dat some people have claimed, he would have been mush before he could even think.
Superman does not have PC powered fists like thanos.
Surfer was de-powered in that Planet Hulk fight, also a page or so earlier Norrin was beating the Hulk's ass until the hulk caught him by surprise.
Anything that Hudlin writes is PIS imo..The whole comic alone was crap.
Surfer getting beat up by Drax is not a bad showing at all, considering that version of Drax was able to rip Stars apart literally.
Originally posted by PriestI fully expected this... There's always a circumstance or excuse.
Superman does not have PC powered fists like thanos.Surfer was de-powered in that Planet Hulk fight, also a page or so earlier Norrin was beating the Hulk's ass until the hulk caught him by surprise.
Anything that Hudlin writes is PIS imo..The whole comic alone was crap.
Surfer getting beat up by Drax is not a bad showing at all, considering that version of Drax was able to rip Stars apart literally.
The point wasn't what happened in the comics, just that fact that it's consistantly shown that when he's met with overbearing physical force akin to Superman, he can be overwhelmed in CQC. And Superman has certainly shown the speed required to keep up with Surfer, making CQC a viable option.
This was just a few of the top scans that came up in other people's threads when I typed Surfer into the search engine on the site. There's several others as well, some involving Thor grabbing Surfer and holding him down on the ground with his off hand and him having to be saved by Adam Warlock, or him having to resort to turning his body nuclear to keep Thing from punching him around - that aren't as circumstancial as some of these.
I've already said earlier that Silver Surfer has the tools to defeat Superman, but Superman certainly has the tools to beat Surfer as well. I'm not the one here having trouble accepting the truth.
It was more a shot at the purists who believe Superman has no shot in this encounter, sort of like the guy I replied to who seemed to suggest Surfer wouldn't even be troubled with a guy like him.
Hence - What can Superman possibly do to Silver Surfer?
Truth is, Superman gives pretty much everyone trouble.
Originally posted by JuntaiOk.....so your great comeback is that dc makes Superman give people trouble so why not the Silver Surfer.
I fully expected this... There's always a circumstance or excuse.The point wasn't what happened in the comics, just that fact that it's consistantly shown that when he's met with overbearing physical force akin to Superman, he can be overwhelmed in CQC. And Superman has certainly shown the speed required to keep up with Surfer, making CQC a viable option.
This was just a few of the top scans that came up in other people's threads when I typed Surfer into the search engine on the site. There's several others as well, some involving Thor grabbing Surfer and holding him down on the ground with his off hand and him having to be saved by Adam Warlock, or him having to resort to turning his body nuclear to keep Thing from punching him around - that aren't as circumstancial as some of these.
I've already said earlier that Silver Surfer has the tools to defeat Superman, but Superman certainly has the tools to beat Surfer as well. I'm not the one here having trouble accepting the truth.
It was more a shot at the purists who believe Superman has no shot in this encounter, sort of like the guy I replied to who seemed to suggest Surfer wouldn't even be troubled with a guy like him.
Hence - What can Superman possibly do to Silver Surfer?
Truth is, Superman gives pretty much everyone trouble.
Ok here why...because for one Superman has crippling weaknesses that the characters who beat on him dont have. Surfer was depowered against the Hulk and still did fine. You really have nothing and just want to say that Superman wins because hes Superman.
Nope Superman loses because hes Superman. Surfer senses his weaknesses and crushes him. Just fyi Thor doesnt have a single weakness that holds Superman back. 😛
The irony...
When Superman's weaknesses (kryp, no sun, etc) were first introduced, they were necessary to keep Superman from being too-powerful a character. Now they make him too vulnerable.
I forget the poster's name, but he said it best: It's almost as if the Silver Surfer was made to be Superman's perfect counter. He can exploit many of Supe's weaknesses to win 8/10.
If SS doesn't exploit weaknesses, he wins 5.5/10.
If he goes h2h with Big Blue: Supes wins 7/10.
The problem is not whether SS has the ability to beat Superman.
He does. This is a no brainer.
The problem is whether SS will get a chance to do any to Superman.
Many are just assuming that Superman just sits there and lets SS analyze his weakness and then use it on him. Those are bias thoughts and arguments. Please be objective here. Superman's best strategy is to blitz SS right away when the bell sounds. Thus there is no time for anything exotic here. And we all know that SS can't take Superman level punches too well (especially if they are landed in multiples).
Originally posted by h1a8How do you come to your conclusions?
The problem is not whether SS has the ability to beat Superman.
He does. This is a no brainer.
The problem is whether SS will get a chance to do any to Superman.
Many are just assuming that Superman just sits there and lets SS analyze his weakness and then use it on him. Those are bias thoughts and arguments. Please be objective here. Superman's best strategy is to blitz SS right away when the bell sounds. Thus there is no time for anything exotic here. And we all know that SS can't take Superman level punches too well (especially if they are landed in multiples).
Originally posted by JuntaiYou probably don't care... but...
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Thanos with cosmic fists... he's the only one to ever do this... 😐
Surfer was cut off from the Power Cosmic, was apologizing, and was cheapshotted... and got up a page or so later without a scratch.
Mcduffie... I really don't see why you would bring that up to anyone... he's the same guy who made Dr Light basically one shot Superman...
Drax with the PG... and all he did was redirect Surfer's momentum. Nothing more, nothing less.
Drax was pissed, and manipulated by Thanos, and he didn't even effect Surfer...
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Also, I see you brought up Blood and Thunder... Blood and Thunder is some serious crap writing (with anything involving Thor at least). This is the same series where Thor goes from having some trouble with Ares and Pluto, to absolutely demolishing Surfer and Warlock, and the IW/Strange/Surfer...
Also, the heroes were holding back a little to help save Thor... if you don't buy the crap writing (which, I can't see how anyone wouldn't see the shit in that writing). Also, apparently Thor's mind is powerful enough to repel Odin... Err...
