Someone show me one feat where SS is able to dodge a Superman level speed object at battle distance. Or show me feats where it equates that to be the same.
As far as speed this is the only thing I give SS:
After about a second (or two) of travel his speed reaches FTL speeds. But before the second (or two) his top speed is less than Superman's. There's a scan (I think in his respect thread) that actually times him traveling with all his might within the first second (or two). His speed barely reaches that of a bullet within this second. And a second to Superman is like an eternity.
Now since SS definitely has super reflexes and super battle speed. But so does Spider-man. So I don't understand why people here (I guess they are bias fans) actually believe that SS has even half the reflexes and battle speed as Superman. His reflexes and in close battle speed should be somewhere near Spider-mans. I guess these people are using the dumb a&& logic, "Since SS can travel lightyears in moments then his battle speed and reflexes are better than Superman's".
Surfer loses to Superman due to a speed blitz.
Originally posted by janus77
he has shown reaction-times well into the nanoseconds...
That is a lie. He has never shown no such thing.
like searching every scrap of earth in the time it take Strange to utter a sentence,
like dodging asteroids at lightspeed (the on-coming asteroids would just multiply the aggregate 'speed' of everything and divide the reaction times even more).
Surfer's brain works on a cosmic level too, being granted a portion of CA, allowing him to process infinitely greater quantities of information without jamming up or slowing down - meaning that his brain calculates and measures probabilities faster than the typical superhero - supporting the reaction times he occasionally demonstrates.
Speculation is not fact. There are literally countless scans showing that SS don't have reactions anywhere near Superman's vs. no scans showing that he does. Thus what you said isn't even speculation, but a contradiction to the facts.
all in all, he's superior to Superman, by a huge margin, in every conceivable way, imo.
If Superman hits SS in the face with all his might
then SS will be either out for the count or seriously fu$ked up. There is plenty of evidence to support that. But if SS, with all his might, hits Superman in the face with his fists then Superman will still be in the fight (probably barely affected too). So you still think SS is superior in every way?
Originally posted by h1a8
That is a lie. He has never shown no such thing.
Well for starters.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg
Its an argumentative alert.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well for starters.http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg
Its an argumentative alert.
I've seen that scan a billions times and argued against it.
For starters, it shows nothing but figurative language. He said complete sentences in his head (in English) which took him some seconds.
Us humans would use similar language.
Second, it is the only scan people have showing that SS has reflexes on par with Superman's. Thus even if the scan was valid it would be PIS. And PIS isn't allowed here. You need multiple scans to make a feat allowable (if it was valid).
Originally posted by h1a8
I've seen that scan a billions times and argued against it.
For starters, it shows nothing but figurative language. He said complete sentences in his head (in English) which took him some seconds.
Us humans would use similar language.
Its not figurative speech. A human in a similar circumstance would use the word seconds. SS used nanoseconds because.....thats right you guessed it he has superhuman reflexes and therefore can measure time in nanoseconds.
Originally posted by h1a8
Second, it is the [B]only scan people have showing that SS has reflexes on par with Superman's. Thus even if the scan was valid it would be PIS. And PIS isn't allowed here. You need multiple scans to make a feat allowable (if it was valid). [/B]
1. What about this.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg
2. Why is it PIS?
Originally posted by h1a8
After about a second (or two) of travel his speed reaches FTL speeds. But before the second (or two) his top speed is less than Superman's. There's a scan (I think in his respect thread) that actually times him traveling with all his might within the first second (or two). His speed barely reaches that of a bullet within this second.
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Originally posted by h1a8Precisely. And you seem to be a master of it.
Speculation is not fact.
Surfer's top speed has been repeatedly demonstrated to be faster than a bullet and never has his acceleration been limited. He traveled a light year in an instant (before Thanos could complete a swing at Captain America). He's literally crossed the universe in a matter of moments.
There is no basis for an argument about Surfer's speed or acceleration, unless you'd like to take into account all the times Superman hasn't moved at speeds faster than a bullet.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Its not figurative speech. A human in a similar circumstance would use the word seconds. SS used nanoseconds because.....thats right you guessed it he has superhuman reflexes and therefore can measure time in nanoseconds.
Its too figurative speech. He said complete sentences in his head in English. Yes, we humans used the word "second" when it actually took minutes or more.
So in the same vein SS (who is superhuman) used the word "nanosecond" when it actually took him a lot longer. In all, I do give SS faster than human reactions but certainly no where near Superman's reaction speed ( this is based off the many many SS comics I read).
That scan doesn't show anything. It could have taken SS several seconds to minutes to disable the ships. Multiple showings of SS in one panel only shows the entire battle sequence and not necessarily how fast. Remember a second to Superman is like an eternity.
1. What about this.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg
2. Why is it PIS?
There are only two ways the feat (or any feat) can't be PIS.
1. If SS had other feats that backed that one up then it wouldn't be PIS.
2. Or if SS had no feats which contradicted that feat then it wouldn't be PIS.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
😬Precisely. And you seem to be a master of it.
There is no basis for an argument about Surfer's speed or acceleration, unless you'd like to take into account all the times Superman hasn't moved at speeds faster than a bullet.
I said that he travels less than or equal to that of a bullet within the first second. After that second or two (maybe more) he then enters hyperspace. I never said that SS travels bullet speed max. (that's ridiculous)
I'll try to find the scans for you.
Surfer's top speed has been repeatedly demonstrated to be faster than a bullet and never has his acceleration been limited. He traveled a light year in an instant (before Thanos could complete a swing at Captain America). He's literally crossed the universe in a matter of moments.
Never mind I've found it.
Is this is what you are referring too?
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4062/theinfinitygauntlet0442nt1.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...tlet0443pu8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...tlet0444le1.jpg
It seems to me that it took Thanos a few seconds just to cock back.
He probably was thinking about whether to punch Cap or not. Cap even was able to follow the punch closely and he has only peak human reflexes. This is impressive by SS but my argument is based on what Superman will do in the first very small fraction of the second. And SS traveling fast in some seconds doesn't equate to him having reactions good enough to perceive Superman and body speed great enough to sidestep Superman's first attack.
Originally posted by h1a8
Its too figurative speech. He said complete sentences in his head in English. Yes, we humans used the word "second" when it actually took minutes or more.
Uhhhhh I dont think so somehow.
Originally posted by h1a8
That scan doesn't show anything. It could have taken SS several seconds to minutes to disable the ships. Multiple showings of SS in one panel only shows the entire battle sequence and not necessarily how fast. Remember a second to Superman is like an eternity.
The point is that in order to dodge laser blasts and disarm them while moving at top speed involves extremely fast reflexes.
I mean how fast is this?
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
Originally posted by h1a8My hat is off to you, sir. I couldn't be more silly, even if I tried, and I like being silly! 🙂
It seems to me that it took Thanos a few seconds just to cock back.
He probably was thinking about whether to punch Cap or not. Cap even was able to follow the punch closely and he has only peak human reflexes.
Thanos took a few seconds to "cock" his punch? While Cap just stands there and stares? Cap, who uses every advantage in battle, even the slightest hesitation of an opponent (see Spider-Man)?
It is painfully and laughably obvious that Thanos's punch happened in an instant and the Silver Surfer crossed the light year expanse in that instant. It looks pretty silly for you to be arguing otherwise.
I find it funny how H1 references 'bias' as a response to anyone but himself...
Anyway...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg
🙂
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I find it funny how H1 references 'bias' as a response to anyone but himself...Anyway...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg🙂
Of course SS can move FTL. But after a second or two though.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
My hat is off to you, sir. I couldn't be more silly, even if I tried, and I like being silly! 🙂Thanos took a few seconds to "cock" his punch? While Cap just stands there and stares? Cap, who uses every advantage in battle, even the slightest hesitation of an opponent (see Spider-Man)?
It is painfully and laughably obvious that Thanos's punch happened in an instant and the Silver Surfer crossed the light year expanse in that instant. It looks pretty silly for you to be arguing otherwise.
Cap was helping to set Thanos up (for SS to take the gauntlet).
That is why he didn't move. He just watched the punch intently.
It Cap can see the punch vividly then how fast do you think it was?
Not fast all all.
It was more of a "Well I outta knock you head off for that.", type of punch.
The point is that SS not only can react to Superman level speeds but he can't generate the necessary speed in less than a second.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Uhhhhh I dont think so somehow.The point is that in order to dodge laser blasts and disarm them while moving at top speed involves extremely fast reflexes.
Now one dodges lasers in Marvel. They basically move in evasive action to avoid the laser. All you have to do is get out of the aim right before the aimer fires. That is why Spider-Man, Daredevil, Captain America, Bat-Man, etc. can all avoid lasers.
I mean how fast is this?http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
