Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Actually you are not considering surfer to the best of his abilities, if you were then you would stop bringing up a fight were thanos koed him in 4 punches and start considering that this is the same surfer who survived beatings from Tenebrous and Aegis( Galactus lvl beings). As i said b4 this fight is not goin to be decided on who hits first because the surfer can take a superman hit no matter the speed and a whole lot more and keep on coming. It is extremely shortsighted to use surfers low showings( that were even considered low showings b4 his upgrade) as a basis for superman being far more durable than him. Surfer b4 his upgrade was just as durbale if not more durable than supes let alone now. Surfer will evntually break out of whatever speedblitz( and this is me actually giving way to the faulty speedblitz notion which diregards and misinterpretes all the scans provided on this forum)) and do his thing theirby putting and end to supermans superhero career.

one of the best post on the forum.

Originally posted by Sirius77
If you put a human being (or anything) point blank in front of fifty supernovas, said human being (or whatever) will recieve the full force of the blast. Because when something is that close to the center of something that powerful, the 'shockwave' won't matter. The blast and said shockwave will hit the target at the exact same time (relatively) because they are both moving at the same speed. So, yes, he did take the blast.

The shockwave and blast does not travel at the same speed.. This is why a bomb explosion have more damage in the center and lesser as it progressed..

Originally posted by Sirius77
He was able to control the seven deadly sins from a distance, when shazam had to be constantly present to do so. Yes. He can mindrape surfer.

Watchers always job.

Despero is leaps and bounds over Martian manhunter. His tp control rapes Martian manhunters.

And I highly doubt that. Surfer gets extremely emo when it comes to zen-la. If anything, bringing back those memories would slow him down considerably.

Perhaps or its just that Surfer psi-resistant is that good..

Agrees but that tactics Despero used against MM aint going to work..
Why? Someone used similar attacks against him and he returned it back as psionic and tp attack.. (that was against the presentation of the totality of the Other)...

Nope hes accepted what happened to Zen-la.. His more of a philosophical and logical rather than let his emotion control his action..

Originally posted by Sirius77
Yes he is. Guy is almost on hals level.

Strength of will/toughness yeah i agree but energy manipulation?????

Anyhow you've got your opinion ive got mine... Peace.. lol

Originally posted by Roldz
Nope!! That is wrong..
This analogy will only work on a stationary/immovable object near the point of origin of the explosion..

The shockwave and blast does not travel at the same speed.. This is why a bomb explosion have more damage in the center and lesser as it progressed..

How much more immoveable in space at that size can you get than a character like superman? If what your saying is the case, then give me a space suit and put me point blank in front of a supernova and I'll survive. 😬

The shockwave of that kind of blast does (relatively). The resulting scatter of nearby objects would be what you were referring to as the 'shockwave'. But superman was the nearest object to the sun eater that wasnt an entropy bomb.

Originally posted by Roldz
That feat pale in comparison to one who can control half the Universe..
And Surfer broke her hold against him.. Despero aint mindraping him..

Perhaps or its just that Surfer psi-resistant is that good..

Agrees but that tactics Despero used against MM aint going to work..
Why? Someone used similar attacks against him and he returned it back as psionic and tp attack.. (that was against the presentation of the totality of the Other)...

Nope hes accepted what happened to Zen-la.. His more of a philosophical and logical rather than let his emotion control his action..

No. Surfer is not above shazam in tp resistance. Thats not even arguable. Despero would mindrape him.

Originally posted by Roldz
Scannss.. Ive been fallowing GL's series and he has never showed energy manipulation remotely even close to Hals..

I'm not saying that guy is as powerful as hal. If I did, then I was mistaken. However, he is on that level. I dont feel like pulling up the scans, but he has done some pretty impressive things.

But if you doubt guys power, then how about hal and the entire jla. He took them out. All of them.

Despero Vs Superman,Flash,Green Lantern,Hawkman,Black Canary,Green Arrow.


Takes over their minds

Originally posted by Sirius77
How much more immoveable in space at that size can you get than a character like superman? If what your saying is the case, then give me a space suit and put me point blank in front of a supernova and I'll survive. 😬

The shockwave of that kind of blast does (relatively). The resulting scatter of nearby objects would be what you were referring to as the 'shockwave'. But superman was the nearest object to the sun eater that wasnt an entropy bomb.

No! the shockwave would be the kinetic energy produced by the resulting chemical reaction.. A supernova is still an explosion same equation applies to it..

Originally posted by Sirius77
No. Surfer is not above shazam in tp resistance. Thats not even arguable. Despero would mindrape him.

Originally posted by Sirius77
'm not saying that guy is as powerful as hal. If I did, then I was mistaken. However, he is on that level. I dont feel like pulling up the scans, but he has done some pretty impressive things.

But if you doubt guys power, then how about hal and the entire jla. He took them out. All of them.

Despero Vs Superman,Flash,Green Lantern,Hawkman,Black Canary,Green Arrow.

As i said his not mindraping Surfer..

Surfer durability can pretty much take what Despero can throw..
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-033.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-034.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-035.jpg

Here's somethin kinda similar to that Despero feat:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3415/ssenslavers69ir6.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3885/ssenslavers70fl6.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3074/ssenslavers71ou9.jpg

Murrongo took out most of the Marvel Heroes.. beat group of heroes by himself as well and Surfer fought and beat him..

Originally posted by Sirius77
Show me one thing feat wise that proves that tenebrous and aegis are on par with galactus. What have they done?

I suppose you are one of those that believe that just because someone says something in a comic, that it is automatically true. I suppose that you believe that sentry stalemated galactus? Or that king hyperion killed galactus?

I'm not biased. I go by feats. You just look for little nebulous details about characters from your favorite franchise, and fantasize about them enough to convince yourself of your own wild, unfounded, biased, speculations.

You obviously do not evn know the meaning of the words u r using in ur argument. So me believing galactus when he says that tenbrouus and aegeis are just as powerful as he is me speculating wildly?. For heaven sakes if anyone is in a position to compare power levels its galctus not to mention dat ss said it as well. You have got to be kidding me. How can you evn compare the spidermans vague recollection of the sentry
stalemating galctus to galactus acknowledging T and A power levels. For one, spiderman was only recollecting an of panel evnt without giving any indication of the circumstances or conditions of the fight. For all we know galctus could have been starving or the sentry could have been in possesion of some sort of weapon that could hurt galctus. The fantastic four have stalemated galctus using the ultimate nullifier but that does put them anywhere close to his lvl. However the big G acknowledging his opponents power lvl whle fighting dem and the silver surfer acknowledging it as well proves that they were on that lvl. Superman continuously acknowledges that he and ww powerlvls are comparable and you accept it as fact..... cough..... HIPPOCRITE. Galactus can actually sense others power lvls and so him commenting on how powerful T and A were was not just 4 the fun of it. You obviously do not know how to make use of logic at all. Any person would half a brain would be able to know that since tenebros and aegis were only fringe characters they would not have many feats but that the writers intended to describe their power
lvl using galctus and silver surfer statement. In my country we would describe this ridiculous argument of urs as common sense not being common any more.

Now an evn more utterly stuupid argument is to reduce T and A power lvl bcos of lack of feats. Dr strange has feats that make abstracts such as lord order and the inbetweener look like children. I suppose you believe that he is more powerful than them 🙁
Using your logic or should i say total lack of it, any fringe charcters who brought in and described to be at one power lvl but do not stay long enough to perform any feats aside the normal destroying of toptiers cannot be at that described powerlvl becos of no feats.

I advise u to at least think things over a LITTLe b4 making dumb comparisons and utterly stupid arguments

Originally posted by carver9
one of the best post on the forum.

Quoted 4 absolute truth

Nearly everyone in comics has PIS feats. Yet many are using these feats as the best of their abilities. Even Surfer has PIS feats. So be careful when you argue feats.

With that said, how many you can mindrape at one time has nothing to do with the power you can mindrape an individual. For example, I can mindrape an entire universe of beings who have little to no tp resistance. But when I try to mindrape an individual of another universe who has decent resistance then I can fail miserably.

Now Surfer does have some tp resistance. But not nearly enough as Martian Manhunter (IMO). So it is almost common sense that Despero can easily mindrape him. If we ran a poll on whether SS can be mindraped by Despero or not then you would see an overwhelming yes vote.

Originally posted by Sirius77
If you put a human being (or anything) point blank in front of fifty supernovas, said human being (or whatever) will recieve the full force of the blast.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nearly everyone in comics has PIS feats. Yet many are using these feats as the best of their abilities. Even Surfer has PIS feats. So be careful when you argue feats.

With that said, how many you can mindrape at one time has nothing to do with the power you can mindrape an individual. For example, I can mindrape an entire universe of beings who have little to no tp resistance. But when I try to mindrape an individual of another universe who has decent resistance then I can fail miserably.

Now Surfer does have some tp resistance. But not nearly enough as Martian Manhunter (IMO). So it is almost common sense that Despero can easily mindrape him. If we ran a poll on whether SS can be mindraped by Despero or not then you would see an overwhelming yes vote.

this is the craziest none knowing surfer post I have seen on the forum. When you get knowledge of the power cosmic, then you'll understand why surfer is able to resist tp. Like I asked before, can you put up a scan where someone has actually suceeded in a tp battle against surfer.

Im waiting.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nearly everyone in comics has PIS feats. Yet many are using these feats as the best of their abilities. Even Surfer has PIS feats. So be careful when you argue feats.

With that said, how many you can mindrape at one time has nothing to do with the power you can mindrape an individual. For example, I can mindrape an entire universe of beings who have little to no tp resistance. But when I try to mindrape an individual of another universe who has decent resistance then I can fail miserably.

Now Surfer does have some tp resistance. But not nearly enough as Martian Manhunter (IMO). So it is almost common sense that Despero can easily mindrape him. If we ran a poll on whether SS can be mindraped by Despero or not then you would see an overwhelming yes vote.

Well the thing is this individual happened to mindrape 616 Universes and we know some characters in this Universe have hight tp resistance like say Moondragon..

Im really doubting that you read any Surfer comics; "some tp resistance".. You kiddin..

How can you use common sense if your only familiar with one character being debated..

Originally posted by Roldz
So we are to disregard Surfers high tp resistant feats. and only go at his lowest even dough Surfer has been shown consistently possessing high tp resistant against powerfull psi-entities.

Well the thing is this individual happened to mindrape 616 Universes and we know some characters in this Universe have hight tp resistance like say Moondragon..

Im really doubting that you read any Surfer comics; "some tp resistance".. You kiddin..

How can you use common sense if your only familiar with one character being debated..

Originally posted by Mindship
Actually, no, for the following reason. A supernova explosion (or a blast equivalent to 50 supernovae) radiates outward in a spherical wavefront. The only way any object could receive the full force of this blast is by fully surrounding the explosion. Otherwise, most of the blast never even touches the object. Also, said object had better be at "point-blank" range, otherwise that part of the blast which does reach the object will be reduced drastically by the inverse-square-law effect.

He was at 'point blank' range.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
You obviously do not evn know the meaning of the words u r using in ur argument. So me believing galactus when he says that tenbrouus and aegeis are just as powerful as he is me speculating wildly?. For heaven sakes if anyone is in a position to compare power levels its galctus not to mention dat ss said it as well. You have got to be kidding me. How can you evn compare the spidermans vague recollection of the sentry
stalemating galctus to galactus acknowledging T and A power levels. For one, spiderman was only recollecting an of panel evnt without giving any indication of the circumstances or conditions of the fight. For all we know galctus could have been starving or the sentry could have been in possesion of some sort of weapon that could hurt galctus. The fantastic four have stalemated galctus using the ultimate nullifier but that does put them anywhere close to his lvl. However the big G acknowledging his opponents power lvl whle fighting dem and the silver surfer acknowledging it as well proves that they were on that lvl. Superman continuously acknowledges that he and ww powerlvls are comparable and you accept it as fact..... cough..... HIPPOCRITE. Galactus can actually sense others power lvls and so him commenting on how powerful T and A were was not just 4 the fun of it. You obviously do not know how to make use of logic at all. Any person would half a brain would be able to know that since tenebros and aegis were only fringe characters they would not have many feats but that the writers intended to describe their power
lvl using galctus and silver surfer statement. In my country we would describe this ridiculous argument of urs as common sense not being common any more.

Now an evn more utterly stuupid argument is to reduce T and A power lvl bcos of lack of feats. Dr strange has feats that make abstracts such as lord order and the inbetweener look like children. I suppose you believe that he is more powerful than them 🙁
Using your logic or should i say total lack of it, any fringe charcters who brought in and described to be at one power lvl but do not stay long enough to perform any feats aside the normal destroying of toptiers cannot be at that described powerlvl becos of no feats.

I advise u to at least think things over a LITTLe b4 making dumb comparisons and utterly stupid arguments

So all of those words and you have still come up with no feats putting tenebrous and aegis at galactus' level?

What a waste. 😬

Originally posted by Roldz
He rode the wave.. That means he either move or was move back by the wave.. If he was to survive the blast at exact same locale as he was prior to the blast then i would agree to your conclusion but that is not the case..
Good way for you to get vaporized 🙄 ..

Why would you stay there? He wanted to get back to earth and he was weakened and tired. I see nothing wrong with using the blast as a conveniev=nt way to get closer to his destination. And even though he did survive the blast, it wasnt pleasant. So what reason would he have to plant himself there? He just simply was too weakened to move out of the way. If surfer was that close to the blast, you'd have him facing skyfathers and cosmics. Thats basically what your doing in the quote below, saying that surfer is above shazam, wtf? 😬

Originally posted by Roldz
No! the shockwave would be the kinetic energy produced by the resulting chemical reaction.. A supernova is still an explosion same equation applies to it..

Fifty supernovas... and youre still trying to say that he wasnt touched by the blast... you've just elevated the word biased to new levels.

Originally posted by Roldz
Apparently he is.. His got feats to back it up..
Tell you can show Despero doing somethin comparable to what the Goddess or The great one (someone who can turn planets into brainwaves and mindwipes the inhabitants) feat then id agree with yah tell then his not mindraping the Surfer..

Wow. Thats funny. Shazam is an omniscient high skyfather (possibly low abstract), and your saying that surfer is mentally over him? wtf? 🤨

Originally posted by Roldz
Your contradicting yourself there.. Guy overall is not at Kyle's or Hals level..

As i said his not mindraping Surfer..

Surfer durability can pretty much take what Despero can throw..
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-033.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-034.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-035.jpg

Here's somethin kinda similar to that Despero feat:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3415/ssenslavers69ir6.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3885/ssenslavers70fl6.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3074/ssenslavers71ou9.jpg

Murrongo took out most of the Marvel Heroes.. beat group of heroes by himself as well and Surfer fought and beat him..

Guy has always been right along with the rest of the top gls fighting on the same level as they were. He's not to be downplayed.

What was that? How was that remotely relevant? You give me some scans of surfer getting owned by tenebrous and aegis and some no-name brick getting owned by surfer? Was that guy supposed to be comparable to despero? Despero has taken on the combined might of the JLA and the JSA. He soloed them. The only thing that stopped him was being exorcised from luthors body by jonny sorrows gaze. Who were the heroes that this guy that you posted took out? Were they top tiers? Heralds? What?

Originally posted by Sirius77
So all of those words and you have still come up with no feats putting tenebrous and aegis at galactus' level?

What a waste. 😬

Now u hve confirmed my suspicons dat logic is not ur strong point and neither are reading or comprehension. Did u not even understand one thing stated in that post? The whole point of the post was to describe why tenbrous and aegis CANNOT have many feats bcos they are fringe characters but that galactus and silver surfers description of them as his equals in power IS VALID due to his( galctus) knowledge of his adversaries( T and A) and ability to guage others power lvls. I evn explained how stupid unrelated and irrelevant ur examples( spideys statement) were in regards to the context of the galactus incident.

And yet the best reply u can come up with is that i hv still not brought feats? Do u evn think? For heavens sake the whole point of the post was to explain why feats were not needed in this case and why using only feats to determine the powerlvl of fringe characters is a very bad and short sighted way of assesment.

As i advised b4 try to THINK even just a LITTLE bit before u post utterly senseless statements. There is really no need arguing with u as ur unbelievable lack of common sense or intelligence will probably cause u to reply something like: "Well u still have not brought feats" or something else that is similarly daft. One of the worst displays of debating ineptitude i have hve ever seen 🙁

Originally posted by Mindship
Actually, no, for the following reason. A supernova explosion (or a blast equivalent to 50 supernovae) radiates outward in a spherical wavefront. The only way any object could receive the full force of this blast is by fully surrounding the explosion. Otherwise, most of the blast never even touches the object. Also, said object had better be at "point-blank" range, otherwise that part of the blast which does reach the object will be reduced drastically by the inverse-square-law effect.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Now u hve confirmed my suspicons dat logic is not ur strong point and neither are reading or comprehension. Did u not even understand one thing stated in that post? The whole point of the post was to describe why tenbrous and aegis CANNOT have many feats bcos they are fringe characters but that galactus and silver surfers description of them as his equals in power IS VALID due to his( galctus) knowledge of his adversaries( T and A) and ability to guage others power lvls. I evn explained how stupid unrelated and irrelevant ur examples( spideys statement) were in regards to the context of the galactus incident.

And yet the best reply u can come up with is that i hv still not brought feats? Do u evn think? For heavens sake the whole point of the post was to explain why feats were not needed in this case and why using only feats to determine the powerlvl of fringe characters is a very bad and short sighted way of assesment.

As i advised b4 try to THINK even just a LITTLE bit before u post utterly senseless statements. There is really no need arguing with u as ur unbelievable lack of common sense or intelligence will probably cause u to reply something like: "Well u still have not brought feats" or something else that is similarly daft. One of the worst displays of debating ineptitude i have hve ever seen 🙁

Originally posted by Sirius77
Why would you stay there? He wanted to get back to earth and he was weakened and tired. I see nothing wrong with using the blast as a conveniev=nt way to get closer to his destination. And even though he did survive the blast, it wasnt pleasant. So what reason would he have to plant himself there? He just simply was too weakened to move out of the way.😬

Originally posted by Mindship
Actually, no, for the following reason. A supernova explosion (or a blast equivalent to 50 supernovae) radiates outward in a spherical wavefront. The only way any object could receive the full force of this blast is by fully surrounding the explosion. Otherwise, most of the blast never even touches the object. Also, said object had better be at "point-blank" range, otherwise that part of the blast which does reach the object will be reduced drastically by the inverse-square-law effect.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Fifty supernovas... and youre still trying to say that he wasnt touched by the blast... you've just elevated the word biased to new levels.

The Shockwave is still part of Supernova..

Originally posted by Sirius77
Thats basically what your doing in the quote below, saying that surfer is above shazam, wtf? 😬

Wow. Thats funny. Shazam is an omniscient high skyfather (possibly low abstract), and your saying that surfer is mentally over him? wtf? 🤨

All thats being said is that Surfers TP resistance >>>> Desperos tp control/manipulation..

Just becase Surfer broke the Goddess mental hold does not necessarily make him above her..

So do you beleived that Shazam a high skyfather to possibly low abstract <<<<< Despero? I think not..

Like what H1A8 said quoted below..

Originally posted by h1a8
Nearly everyone in comics has PIS feats. Yet many are using these feats as the best of their abilities. So be careful when you argue feats.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Guy has always been right along with the rest of the top gls fighting on the same level as they were. He's not to be downplayed.

Originally posted by Roldz
Scannss.. Ive been fallowing GL's series and he has never showed energy manipulation remotely even close to Hals..

Strength of will/toughness yeah i agree but energy manipulation?????

Anyhow you've got your opinion ive got mine... Peace.. lol

Originally posted by Sirius77
What was that? How was that remotely relevant? You give me some scans of surfer getting owned by tenebrous and aegis and some no-name brick getting owned by surfer? Was that guy supposed to be comparable to despero? Despero has taken on the combined might of the JLA and the JSA. He soloed them. The only thing that stopped him was being exorcised from luthors body by jonny sorrows gaze. Who were the heroes that this guy that you posted took out? Were they top tiers? Heralds? What?

The other admittedly not a very good example but still an impressive feat for Surfer.. Murrongo-mu fought/defeated Earth, heck Marvel superpowers.. Surfer fought him half powered and Survived.. later he defeated him when the villain was cut off from his powersource..

Again this scans where there to show you Surfers Durability..
He can take what Despero can throw.. Is all what im sayin..

Despero lost to Superman in Superman/batman series.. He couldnt mindrape supes.. Supes = Surfer tp resistance..

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Now u hve confirmed my suspicons dat logic is not ur strong point and neither are reading or comprehension. Did u not even understand one thing stated in that post? The whole point of the post was to describe why tenbrous and aegis CANNOT have many feats bcos they are fringe characters but that galactus and silver surfers description of them as his equals in power IS VALID due to his( galctus) knowledge of his adversaries( T and A) and ability to guage others power lvls. I evn explained how stupid unrelated and irrelevant ur examples( spideys statement) were in regards to the context of the galactus incident.

And yet the best reply u can come up with is that i hv still not brought feats? Do u evn think? For heavens sake the whole point of the post was to explain why feats were not needed in this case and why using only feats to determine the powerlvl of fringe characters is a very bad and short sighted way of assesment.

As i advised b4 try to THINK even just a LITTLE bit before u post utterly senseless statements. There is really no need arguing with u as ur unbelievable lack of common sense or intelligence will probably cause u to reply something like: "Well u still have not brought feats" or something else that is similarly daft. One of the worst displays of debating ineptitude i have hve ever seen 🙁

Wow he really got to you ultimatethor. Totally agree with the comments in terms of your argument, but chill out dude. blowup

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Now u hve confirmed my suspicons dat logic is not ur strong point and neither are reading or comprehension. Did u not even understand one thing stated in that post? The whole point of the post was to describe why tenbrous and aegis CANNOT have many feats bcos they are fringe characters but that galactus and silver surfers description of them as his equals in power IS VALID due to his( galctus) knowledge of his adversaries( T and A) and ability to guage others power lvls. I evn explained how stupid unrelated and irrelevant ur examples( spideys statement) were in regards to the context of the galactus incident.

And yet the best reply u can come up with is that i hv still not brought feats? Do u evn think? For heavens sake the whole point of the post was to explain why feats were not needed in this case and why using only feats to determine the powerlvl of fringe characters is a very bad and short sighted way of assesment.

As i advised b4 try to THINK even just a LITTLE bit before u post utterly senseless statements. There is really no need arguing with u as ur unbelievable lack of common sense or intelligence will probably cause u to reply something like: "Well u still have not brought feats" or something else that is similarly daft. One of the worst displays of debating ineptitude i have hve ever seen 🙁

So basically, this entire post is about 85% insult to my intellegence. And 15% "IMO they are stronger than galactus". Awesome.

Well, either way I think that by this point in this thread, all the points that have been made, have been made, and anything that I could say about tenebrous, aegis, surfer, or superman have either already been said by someone else, or by myself. Some great points have been brought up on both sides, but really none by you. So, considering that really no matter what I say, or how ever many scans are posted people will continue to have their own opinions, no matter how biased. So, with that said, I see no use in wasting my time in this thread. Have at it. 🙂