Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by carver9
Batman has already stalemated superman that was controlled by darkseid and almost killed him when he was possessed by the black rock.

You dont even know the context of the story.

You also dont even know what the blackroch is or how badly he pwned the other blackrock user.

And if you read dc comics, you would know that whenever batman gets ANY powers... he pwns everyone and anyone. Thats why people joke about it. In a comic, batman with prep or powers>>> anyone.

And I believe in that same comic you were talking about, batman went hand to handd with ds...😬 PIS anyone?

Originally posted by carver9
OHHHHHHHHHH, so no one can stop a angry, none holding back superman, can we ask wonderwoman that. The sad thing about it, he got a good wif of the sun rays and still got owned by wonderwoman (that was holding back and didnt even go all out on superman). A black adam that wasnt even trying to fight superman stalemated a superman that wasnt holding back.

Superman and wonder woman have always been shown as almost equal in strength. If you had read the comic, you would know that she pulled every trick in the book to keep herself alive, and she still came out with a broken wrist, a burned face (skull), bruises, and lasserations.

And if you actually knew who ba was... you'd know that stalemating him... no surviving an encounter with him... is a high feat in itself. Even if you are superman. He is possible one of the wrathful, underrated characters in the dc universe on this forum.

Originally posted by carver9
Orion physically stalemated a none holding back superman, hell doomsday killed a none holding back superman.

Orion has the astro force and has stalemated ds...thats not a low showing.

That was byrnes era. How many times does someone have to tell you that? Superman got knocked out by a gas station in that series. Now he takes fifty supernovas and an entropy bomb while weakened by red sun radiation.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, I think that surfer could beat despero,

He'd get mindraped. But youre entitled to your opinion... even if it is wrong.

Originally posted by carver9
lately doomsday havent proven anything to even make me think that he would last an hour against surfer.

You mean except survive the big bang, and tear an intangible being in half?

Originally posted by carver9
Mongul would get slaughtered by surfer along with a lot of the other people on my list.

Oh because hes so slow, right? And thanos is such a speedster right?

Originally posted by carver9
I got a question for you. Surfer fought two being by himself during annihilation and each of them was equal to power of galactus.

Bull. Surfer didnt beat them, the crunch did. And channeling it nearly killed him. When galactus got there, surfer was missing a leg, both his hands, and his muscle was exposed. He would have died if galactus would not have got there exactly when he did.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer beat both of them by himself but doomsday got crushed by a blast from imperex. Now lets put two and two together, do you think that imperex is more powerful then two galactus? 😮

Tenebrous and aegis were not as powerful as galactus. Were the shit are you getting that? Why do you think it took both of them to take him by surprise to beat him and one of him to trap them in the first place? So, yes, I think that imperiex is waaaay over tenebrous and aegis based on feats. I think he and galactus are either on par with each other, or imperiex is more powerful.

Originally posted by Roldz
h1a8 beleives that HV = lightspeed. The guy was able to block Supes
HV but was hit by the punches which made h1a8 thinks that the punches is at FTL speed.. Correct me if im wrong H1a8..

Brainiac depends which version, mongul no, despero no, doomsday depends which version.. There is no edge on the speed department between this 2. physical superior depends in which categories..

If that what h1a8 is thinking then I guess quicksilver, wolverine, spiderman, speed demon etc.. can move at light speed. The guy blocked the heat vision and the only thing I seen superman do is press his attack with 3 fast punches, something that wolverine and spiderman is capable of doing.
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I guess wolverine can blitz surfer and move at light speed.

Originally posted by Sirius77
You dont even know the context of the story.

You also dont even know what the blackroch is or how badly he pwned the other blackrock user.

And if you read dc comics, you would know that whenever batman gets ANY powers... he pwns everyone and anyone. Thats why people joke about it. In a comic, batman with prep or powers>>> anyone.

And I believe in that same comic you were talking about, batman went hand to handd with ds...😬 PIS anyone?

Superman and wonder woman have always been shown as almost equal in strength. If you had read the comic, you would know that she pulled every trick in the book to keep herself alive, and she still came out with a broken wrist, a burned face (skull), bruises, and lasserations.

And if you actually knew who ba was... you'd know that stalemating him... no surviving an encounter with him... is a high feat in itself. Even if you are superman. He is possible one of the wrathful, underrated characters in the dc universe on this forum.

Orion has the astro force and has stalemated ds...thats not a low showing.

That was byrnes era. How many times does someone have to tell you that? Superman got knocked out by a gas station in that series. Now he takes fifty supernovas and an entropy bomb while weakened by red sun radiation.

He'd get mindraped. But youre entitled to your opinion... even if it is wrong.

You mean except survive the big bang, and tear an intangible being in half?

Oh because hes so slow, right? And thanos is such a speedster right?

Bull. Surfer didnt beat them, the crunch did. And channeling it nearly killed him. When galactus got there, surfer was missing a leg, both his hands, and his muscle was exposed. He would have died if galactus would not have got there exactly when he did.

Tenebrous and aegis were not as powerful as galactus. Were the shit are you getting that? Why do you think it took both of them to take him by surprise to beat him and one of him to trap them in the first place? So, yes, I think that imperiex is waaaay over tenebrous and aegis based on feats. I think he and galactus are either on par with each other, or imperiex is more powerful.

Where to start, Ok, I got tenebrous and aegis being as strong as galactus out of the comic. In annihilation it was stated that both are equal to power then galactus, why do you think that galactus had surfer fighting one and he was fighting the other (which is another good feat for surfer). It was said numerous of times that individually they were equal to galactus in power.

I got a question for you, who channelled the crunch; didnt surfer channel its power, so basically he defeated them which is a good feat for him, even if he would have died or not.

What feat does imperex have, are you using him creating probes, are you using him disintegrating doomsday, what feats are you using. Going off feats, galactus>>>>>>>>>>>>imperex.

How long has it been since doomsday have had a decent showing. Every comic that pass with him in it, hes becoming more like darkseid. Stop bringing up old feats to make a character look good, if it cant be used for gladiator, then it sure as hell shouldnt be used for doomsday.

The reason mongul cant beat surfer isnt because hes slow, he just dont have the power to bring surfer down, just like superman, wonderwoman, etc... dont, unless he fights stupid and give them a win. Thanos have something that superman, mongul, or wonderwoman, dont have, unless your saying that heat vision and ice breath would take surfer out of the fight.

Now thats hilarious that you think that despero could mind rape silver surfer. Lets put it like this, can you show me a scan of silver surfer ever being mind raped. Let me know when you find it.

I put up the black adam feat for a reason, Im not saying that hes under superman but I was responding to someones post. They said that no one could take a none holding back superman and black adam stood up to everything superman dished out (by the way black adam has become one of my favorite characters.)

In the orion superman fight, orion was grounded and did not use the astro force and stalemated superman. Still not a bad showing for superman due to orion being a power house.

Even though you and I think that its pis that batman stalemated superman, cant take away from the fact that it happened. This isnt the 1st time that batman has done good against superman by himself.

Originally posted by carver9
Even though you and I think that its pis that batman stalemated superman, cant take away from the fact that it happened. This isnt the 1st time that batman has done good against superman by himself.

Batman didn't stalemate Superman controlled by Darkseid (Who Batman stated was weaker than usual). He was about to be killed until Bekka showed up.

Either you didn't read the comic or you're just outright lying. So, which one is it?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Superman and wonder woman have always been shown as almost equal in strength. If you had read the comic, you would know that she pulled every trick in the book to keep herself alive, and she still came out with a broken wrist, a burned face (skull), bruises, and lasserations.

And if you actually knew who ba was... you'd know that stalemating him... no surviving an encounter with him... is a high feat in itself. Even if you are superman. He is possible one of the wrathful, underrated characters in the dc universe on this forum.

Originally posted by Sirius77
That was byrnes era. How many times does someone have to tell you that? Superman got knocked out by a gas station in that series. Now he takes fifty supernovas and an entropy bomb while weakened by red sun radiation.

Originally posted by Sirius77
He'd get mindraped. But youre entitled to your opinion... even if it is wrong.

Originally posted by Sirius77
You mean except survive the big bang, and tear an intangible being in half?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Oh because hes so slow, right? And thanos is such a speedster right?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Bull. Surfer didnt beat them, the crunch did. And channeling it nearly killed him. When galactus got there, surfer was missing a leg, both his hands, and his muscle was exposed. He would have died if galactus would not have got there exactly when he did.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Tenebrous and aegis were not as powerful as galactus. Were the shit are you getting that? Why do you think it took both of them to take him by surprise to beat him and one of him to trap them in the first place? So, yes, I think that imperiex is waaaay over tenebrous and aegis based on feats. I think he and galactus are either on par with each other, or imperiex is more powerful.

superman wins superman is like god in the comic world .there no comic book character that can defeat superman .superman can destroy all the xmen.superman is god indeskies.

Originally posted by carver9
what can stop superman, well let me think.

Doomsday stopped him.
Titus stopped him.
Mongul stopped him.
Batman with the black rock almost stopped him.
Solomon grundy stopped him.
Captain marvel stopped him.
Batman stalemated him.
Wonderwoman stopped him.
Despero stopped him.
metallo stopped him.
Brainiac stopped him.
max lord stopped him.
The general stopped him.
Kalibak stopped him.
Bizzarro stopped him.
Parasite stopped him.

Would you like for me to continue to name?

I should have been more clear, when I mean stopped I mean killed.
How many of these were random encounters???
Sure with prep anyone who know's what they are doing can can have Supes at their mercy. Brink of death?? who knows?
But we all know without prep or some sort of idea of what Superman is capable of, would not be the smartest choice. Lex stopped Superman ( Kryptonite) but thats not the point.

If you but superman in a fair fight against any comic book charcter superman will own them all.

Originally posted by High Priest
If you but superman in a fair fight against any comic book charcter superman will own them all.

False.

Oh, and Carver; You're an idiot.

Originally posted by carver9
If that what h1a8 is thinking then I guess quicksilver, wolverine, spiderman, speed demon etc.. can move at light speed. The guy blocked the heat vision and the only thing I seen superman do is press his attack with 3 fast punches, something that wolverine and spiderman is capable of doing.
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I guess wolverine can blitz surfer and move at light speed.

No offense but you are not a good debater. I am now trying to figure out why people (including me) try to debate with you. You constantly use fallacious reasoning and invalid scans and you also have a lack of knowledge on comic characters. Those scans doesn't show anyone moving at light speed or beyond. Even the darts don't move as fast as bullets. All you have shown was that Wolverine and such have superhuman speed. But there are different levels of superman human speed my friend. How fast do you think flash would see quicksilver moving at his top speed? I think flash would yawn.
But both quicksilver and flash appear to move exactly the same to us humans (who can't distinguish beyond a certain point).

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wonderwoman was holding back during that fight in 'Sacrifice' and Superman was not. While she did use a lot of tricks, she was doing so because she didn't want to kill Superman. That was very clearly established if you read the thought bubbles/captions. I do agree that Black Adam is quite underrated. He is Captain Marvel with a killer instinct and arguably, more gods on his side.

Superman always holds back... its something that he has to TRY to overcome. In past events when a character has killed his loved ones, he usually never tries to kill them. And it is PIS that an angry sun exposed superman didnt kill wonder woman even if he wasnt trying tokill her. And if you'll notice, he knocked her out.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Don't overblow that red sun supernova feat. You very well know that Superman did not take the brunt of a 50 red sun supernova explosion. His body rode out the concussive wave of force that blew him like a leaf in the wind. He clearly was not engulfed by the entropy wave as the captions state he would have been incinerated were he to be touched by it, had he not been saved by his Pa. Don't mischaracterize that feat like many others have tried to do by making it sound like he withstood entropy and lounged around relaxingly deep inside a red sun supernova. We all saw what happened to him when he flew through a single red sun in Infinite Crisis #7: fully and utterly depowered.

He did however take the force of the 50 supernovas. Otherwise, he wouldnt have 'rode' the force of it. I mentioned the entropy bomb, but I never said that he took it full on. And whether you like it or not he has been shown to be highly resistant to red sun radiation in the past few issues. Like in the 'ruin' story. Ruin was pouring on the red sun radiation and Superman was still fighting on like nothing happened. And this was before his powerup during the crisis.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't think Despero would mindrape Surfer. Surfer's only been telepathically tampered with by the Psycho Man waaaaay back when he was depowered and trapped on Earth and afterwards he turned the tables and actually mindraped Psycho Man. The most recent time his mind has been tampered with was by the Goddess in 'Infinity Crusade,' who used a dozen cosmic containment units, (Cosmic Cubes from alternate universes) to do so. Indeed, he was the only one who broke out of the mental sway she had over all those heroes. He also withstood a telepathic blast from Moondragon w/ Mind Gem. I can't really remember any other time he's been affected telepathcally. So no, I don't really think he'd get mindraped at all.

He would get mindraped by despero just like everyone else. Just like the jla. Just like he did to the seven deadly sins in virtue and vice.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When did HP Doomsday ever survive the Big Bang? As I recall, the closest event I can match up with your statement is when he got sent to the end of time... but he had to be rescued by Braniac even then. You're definitely not talking about Imperiex... because he fried him when he shot him... Want to clarify the event/storyline or issue you're alluding to?

In his battle with waverider and superman. He was sent to the point right before the big bang. He went on to survive that and to take on beings like Gog and imperiex probes.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thanos stopped a speedblitz from the Fallen One... and from Starfox, Jack Of Hearts, Ganymede...hasn't Thanos' ability to deal with speedsters already been established in these forums? No?

Lets put it this way. Who do you think would win in a race. Thanos or these characters?

Also, I was making a point. Using his logic.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Surfer did beat them.

On a horrible technicality. It was basically a suicide move. Surfer pretty much accepted that he would die. Yes, he channelled the cruch, but its kind of like someone walking into a room of marines with a cannister of nerve gas and letting it go. Yes, they killed the marines, but it was an accepted suicide move.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Umm. Both Tenebrous and Aegis are as powerful as Galactus. It was very clearly stated by Surfer, Skreets, Nova and most importantly, Galactus himself. Just because it took two of them to take him down doesn't invalidate their equal strength. Just think of it this way: Imagine you are one of three triplets. Your two identical brothers go to beat the crap out of you. They'd take you down, but you wouldn't go down without a fight. You'd punch, kick, choke, bruise and bloody em up a bit before you went down. Same deal with Galactus vs Tenebrous & Aegis. And just because Galactus managed to trap them on his own at the beginning of time doesn't invalidate their equal strength either. Because Surfer managed to trap them also and he clearly is well below the two of them in strength.

Prove to me that they are above galactus. What feats have they done besides get owned by an inexperienced galactus at the beginning of time, and surprise double team cheapshot him later?

Originally posted by Sirius77
In his battle with waverider and superman. He was sent to the point right before the big bang. He went on to survive that and to take on beings like Gog and imperiex probes.

He was later saved by a timetraveling Brainiac.

Originally posted by Juntai
The rest of that I mostly agree with, but this part- they took him to the Entropy at the END of time, because it was surmised that time ending was truly the only way to keep him defeated.

He was later saved by a timetraveling Brainiac.

Oh, my bad.

He was saved by braniac? Was this directly prior to owaw?

A while before... he escaped Brainiac's control and went loose, and they did the JLA teleporter trick on him, which is where he was in OWAW until released.

Originally posted by Juntai
A while before... he escaped Brainiac's control and went loose, and they did the JLA teleporter trick on him, which is where he was in OWAW until released.

Oh. So thats how he got there in owaw... sounds like a good read. Was it?

Brainiac grabbed DD from the End of Time and put his mind into DD's body. This is called Doomsday Wars DD. This was an intelligent Doomsday with H/P's abilities, and Brainiac's powers as well.

Unfortunately for Brainiac, he found that he couldn't control Doomsday indefinitely. So he kidnapped a kid, and was going to graft DD's DNA onto him and use him as a blank for him to download into. Didn't work. They finally stopped Doomsday by sticking him into a transport tube and having it on a constant cycle between 4 other tubes. That way, only 25% of him was ever manifested anywhere at a time.

Great solution. Regrettably, Imperiex meant they had to release him. With some work from Luthor and Darkseid, Doomsday was programmed to target Imperiex probes instead of kryptonians as his main target. Imperiex Prime fried him in one shot.

After this, DS grabbed the corpse as collection of war debt and regenerated it. I think Luthor or DS screwed up the DNA at some point, because Doomsday ended up weaker. This one was Doomsday Rex.

Much much later, Gog was wrecking havoc and Doomsday arrived to save the day. Gog Wars Doomsday, with the brains of Rex and the powers of H/P.

I'm not sure which one showed up in IC, but he hasn't been seen since.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Brainiac grabbed DD from the End of Time and put his mind into DD's body. This is called Doomsday Wars DD. This was an intelligent Doomsday with H/P's abilities, and Brainiac's powers as well.

Unfortunately for Brainiac, he found that he couldn't control Doomsday indefinitely. So he kidnapped a kid, and was going to graft DD's DNA onto him and use him as a blank for him to download into. Didn't work. They finally stopped Doomsday by sticking him into a transport tube and having it on a constant cycle between 4 other tubes. That way, only 25% of him was ever manifested anywhere at a time.

Great solution. Regrettably, Imperiex meant they had to release him. With some work from Luthor and Darkseid, Doomsday was programmed to target Imperiex probes instead of kryptonians as his main target. Imperiex Prime fried him in one shot.

After this, DS grabbed the corpse as collection of war debt and regenerated it. I think Luthor or DS screwed up the DNA at some point, because Doomsday ended up weaker. This one was Doomsday Rex.

Much much later, Gog was wrecking havoc and Doomsday arrived to save the day. Gog Wars Doomsday, with the brains of Rex and the powers of H/P.

I'm not sure which one showed up in IC, but he hasn't been seen since.

Thanks, Im familiar with gw doomsday, but the rest, I need to read up on. Thanks. 🙂

Originally posted by Sirius77
He did however take the force of the 50 supernovas. Otherwise, he wouldnt have 'rode' the force of it. I mentioned the entropy bomb, but I never said that he took it full on.

He would get mindraped by despero just like everyone else. Just like the jla. Just like he did to the seven deadly sins in virtue and vice.

I big to differ..

Despero has never meet someone with psi-resistance like the Surfer + the ability to turn all forms of energy to anything he chooses makes it quite impossible for someone to telepathicly manipulate him..
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its kinda hard to read it but basicly he turned soul energy to psi-ki energy.. So no mindraping for Despero..

Originally posted by Roldz
He didnt take the full brunt but rather rode the concussive wave of the 50 supernova.. Concussive wave comes before the actual force of the explosion..

He was near the point of origin of the blast. He recieved the force of fifty supernovas. When it exploded, he felt the actual blast, not the 'concussive force'. He might have felt that also, but the point is he recieved the force of fifty supernovas.

Originally posted by Roldz
I big to differ..

Despero has never meet someone with psi-resistance like the Surfer + the ability to turn all forms of energy to anything he chooses makes it quite impossible for someone to telepathicly manipulate him..
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Energy manipulators and telepaths?

Like Guy and J'onn? He owned them.

Despero vs Martian Manhunter and Guy Gardner

Originally posted by Roldz
its kinda hard to read it but basicly he turned soul energy to psi-ki energy.. So no mindraping for Despero..

It doesnt matter. Despero has done worse.

Despero vs Martian Manhunter and Guy Gardner (continued)
Makes J'onn remember his worst memories